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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

    Likely a big difference, gimme.

    And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    hedonist said:

    Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

    Likely a big difference, gimme.

    And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

    does it matter?

    when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

    do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

    yes they do.

    care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    the answer is very simple.

    the world, and this country is changing. republicans do not want change. they do not want the status quo to change. as a strategy, they lie and lie and lie and deny deny deny, as if being dishonest and being in denial will make the changes go away.

    look at the changes since 2001.

    we are war weary and do not want war. republicans have never met a war they didn't like.
    american has always been tight with israel. many americans are waking up. not the republicans.
    the majority of americans want gays to be able to marry. republicans don't.
    majority of americans want legal marijuana. republicans don't.
    a vast majority of americans feel that climate change is man made and want action on global warming. republicans don't
    most americans want religion out of politics. republicans want the 2 to be hand in hand.
    most americans want the super wealthy to pay more in taxes. republicans don't.
    most americans oppose citizens united. republicans feel that money is speech.
    most americans want abortion to be legal and convenient to have if necessary. republicans don't.
    most americans want an increase in minimum wage. republicans don't.
    most americans want wall street reform. republicans don't.
    more and more americans want medicare for all, or a single payer insurance system. republicans don't.

    there are more, but these are the few that just popped to mind.

    look at that list. republicans are on the wrong side of every one of them, and as a result, on the wrong side of history.

    if you are a party who sees the writing on the wall in a changing world and you want to stop the change, what are you going to do? lie and deny and hope it goes away.

    My apologies to our Republican members and to anyone else here who might view this as taking sides or being offensive but this seems to me to be a very straightforward, accurate summation of the situation. Democrats (or Tea Party or Independents or whom ever) as a whole do not necessarily agree with everything gimme has pointed out here but these are, indeed, the things most Americans want and that the Republican party in general opposes.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    most americans do not favor needing a voter id. republicans do.
    most americans do not want creationism taught in public school. republicans do.
    most americans do not want to rewrite history textbooks. republicans do, and have done it in texas.
    most americans want common sense gun law reform. republicans absolutely don't.
    most americans want comprehensive immigration reform. republicans don't.
    most americans believe obama is a christian american citizen. the ones who don't are republican.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    why are they on the wrong side of everything?

    because their way of rich, old, white, straight, men running this country is over.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    hedonist said:

    Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

    Likely a big difference, gimme.

    And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

    does it matter?

    when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

    do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

    yes they do.

    care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?
    First, I'm not one of those "dirty" republicans.

    Second, was addressing your sweeping post with no intent to discredit. Please re-read it; I did.

    How am I to know what you mean when you say republicans are this and that? Given prior posts, the wording gave that impression and I asked.

    And yes, it does matter to me - if that's OK. I've been asked to clarify myself too, and have. It's not always an attack or attempt to be an asshole.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    most americans favor equal pay for women. republicans don't. ledbetter act was filibustered by gop controlled senate.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Oh well. I tried! - so grows the great divide.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    name one single thing the republicans have gotten right in the last 15 years. just one.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    hedonist said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    hedonist said:

    Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

    Likely a big difference, gimme.

    And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

    does it matter?

    when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

    do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

    yes they do.

    care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?
    First, I'm not one of those "dirty" republicans.

    Second, was addressing your sweeping post with no intent to discredit. Please re-read it; I did.

    How am I to know what you mean when you say republicans are this and that? Given prior posts, the wording gave that impression and I asked.

    And yes, it does matter to me - if that's OK. I've been asked to clarify myself too, and have. It's not always an attack or attempt to be an asshole.
    i have said it on here numerous times i refer to the elected republicans. just like i refer to the israeli government when i refer to israel.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Well, you referred to rank and file voters in the post above, so it can be quite unclear.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    hedonist said:

    Well, you referred to rank and file voters in the post above, so it can be quite unclear.

    rank and file are the only ones who vote republican these days. we never ever hear of a liberal voting for a republican. if we hear of one, they are not a liberal.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    old thread about the gop war with reality.
    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/202655/out-of-touch-republicans/p1
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    old thread about the gop war with reality.
    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/202655/out-of-touch-republicans/p1

    Lots of posters MIA or long gone from that thread!

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    hedonist said:

    Well, you referred to rank and file voters in the post above, so it can be quite unclear.

    rank and file are the only ones who vote republican these days. we never ever hear of a liberal voting for a republican. if we hear of one, they are not a liberal.
    I get the term, I was speaking to my question about if you were talking about politicians or the average (republican) bear.

    Wild, how questions and answers diverge.

    I think I got ya, gimme. Have a good evening.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,029
    Can someone point out to me where gimme referred to republicans as, "dirty?"
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    It was implied, and to be fair (based on prior posts, assuming unseen by you), also inferred.

    Strange days here lately. Sadly so.

  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,042
    hedonist said:

    It was implied, and to be fair (based on prior posts, assuming unseen by you), also inferred.

    Strange days here lately. Sadly so.

    Really? It seems to me the the only major change here is fewer people on AMT.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,029
    hedonist said:

    It was implied, and to be fair (based on prior posts, assuming unseen by you), also inferred.

    Strange days here lately. Sadly so.

    Please point out to me where it was "implied." I re-read gimmies posts several times from where he listed all things republicans are against forward. You the referred to yourself as not being one of those "dirty" republicans. What did I miss? I've read every post in this thread. How did I miss this? Inferred? Where?
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  • badbrainsbadbrains Posts: 10,255
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Can someone point out to me where gimme referred to republicans as, "dirty?"

    I always say "dirty" jersey hahaha, not speaking for gimmie at all. Hahaha
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    hedonist said:

    It was implied, and to be fair (based on prior posts, assuming unseen by you), also inferred.

    Strange days here lately. Sadly so.

    Please point out to me where it was "implied." I re-read gimmies posts several times from where he listed all things republicans are against forward. You the referred to yourself as not being one of those "dirty" republicans. What did I miss? I've read every post in this thread. How did I miss this? Inferred? Where?
    I also said based on prior posts - the dirty term came from descriptions in said prior posts. Not just this thread, so perhaps you missed that?

    Sorry if that was implied or inferred or something else.

    Can it be recognized that many if not most politicians in the game are about money, regardless of party?

    And...to say "most americans" vs "republicans" is pretty clear on where the brushes are being drawn.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,029
    hedonist said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    hedonist said:

    It was implied, and to be fair (based on prior posts, assuming unseen by you), also inferred.

    Strange days here lately. Sadly so.

    Please point out to me where it was "implied." I re-read gimmies posts several times from where he listed all things republicans are against forward. You the referred to yourself as not being one of those "dirty" republicans. What did I miss? I've read every post in this thread. How did I miss this? Inferred? Where?
    I also said based on prior posts - the dirty term came from descriptions in said prior posts. Not just this thread, so perhaps you missed that?

    Sorry if that was implied or inferred or something else.

    Can it be recognized that many if not most politicians in the game are about money, regardless of party?

    And...to say "most americans" vs "republicans" is pretty clear on where the brushes are being drawn.

    Thanks for clarifying. I didn't realize you were referencing other threads. I infer posts refer to the thread I'm in. Sorry.
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  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Can someone point out to me where gimme referred to republicans as, "dirty?"

    He didn't.
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    why are they on the wrong side of everything?

    because their way of rich, old, white, straight, men running this country is over.

    Right and they use fear, religion, racism to get the poor to vote against their best interests and worse fight their wars for financial gain. Pretty clever and it works, sadly. USA USA USA GOD BLESS THE USA EVILDOERS.
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    brianlux said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    old thread about the gop war with reality.
    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/202655/out-of-touch-republicans/p1

    Lots of posters MIA or long gone from that thread!

    Always sad to see the views we've lost.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,281
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    most americans do not favor needing a voter id. republicans do.
    most americans do not want creationism taught in public school. republicans do.
    most americans do not want to rewrite history textbooks. republicans do, and have done it in texas.
    most americans want common sense gun law reform. republicans absolutely don't.
    most americans want comprehensive immigration reform. republicans don't.
    most americans believe obama is a christian american citizen. the ones who don't are republican.

    well put...and you could have conversations with republicans where they agree with you on mostly all of the above yet when they head to the voting booth they will vote for Sarah Palin or Ted Cruz.

    It just really makes me want to hurt myself

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  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    hedonist said:

    Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

    Likely a big difference, gimme.

    And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

    does it matter?

    when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

    do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

    yes they do.

    care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?
    So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.
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    gimme, your signature once had a quote saying "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel". is partisanship not the same?
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Gimme,As an independant I will be voting Republican (Jeb)next election.I also am in agreement with many of your above issues.Not all but most.
    So my scenario is why you can't lump everyone into the same box.Being a Fiscal conservative and more Socially progressive(I think this is kinda where Hedo is coming from also,if I'm wrong Hedo sorry).
    I think there is a lot of folks who think like us.I can tell you I don't vote party,I vote person.
    I think we all want basically the same things as long as we are not to far right or to far left.Dont you agree?
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Dirtie_Frank said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    hedonist said:

    Are you talking about Republicans as politicians or as the average Joe?

    Likely a big difference, gimme.

    And hopefully you're not talking about all, either way.

    does it matter?

    when i talk about "republicans" i refer to the elected ones. but those who vote for them are just as wrong because they are still on the wrong side of the issue.

    do your average rank and file republican still vote for incumbent republicans?

    yes they do.

    care to address the contrast between the positions, or just try to discredit my post by pointing out a generalization?
    So unless you are a liberal democrat you are wrong? Isn't that a constructive point of view. Hey let's just get rid of the the Republican party and let the Democrats run everything? The democrats have a delusion of reality just as much as the republicans.
    After that statement there is a top shelf drink of your choice ,waiting for you at the bar in the lounge.On me of course.
    Very well said.
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