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Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

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Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.

Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?

 Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

 Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 

Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.

The parking lot was hit, and it is clear that there is no crater. That photo was posted on this thread a few times. A missile from a long distance detonating on impact would leave an obvious sign.

There is also video showing the missed going up and coming down, all geoloated within gaza. I don't have that handy, but this link below is supposedly proof of Hamas admitting it wasn't Israel.

Which is all besides the point, which was the western media organizations all took the word of a terrorist organization without verification. 


https://x.com/idf/status/1714548529538953637?s=61&t=2Rdn1xsdgfHauI5mfdJZeQ

Actually a number of western media outlets I read reported that both sides claimed the other was responsible including reports that the explosion may have been caused by an errant rocket fired by the Jihad.  Where did you get that they all blamed the Israelis?  Here?

 lol not here. I took a much needed time out for a few days


BBC came out first and many outlets ran with their story. I recommend reading the reddit comments for perspective as the story changed dramatically 


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https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/2XVaGxqU6M

Asked on BBC Radio Four Today Programme if he was willing to submit the IDF’s evidence to an independent body for investigation, he said: “That’s a ridiculous question. I just wanted to point out that when Hamas says something, you quote them endlessly and no evidence is required.

“However, when Israel comes forward and says something, you ask, ‘where’s the evidence’?”

The incident is among a string of events when the BBC and its journalists have refused to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation whilst reporting the groups attack on Israel. 

Six reporters have also been placed under investigation over activity on social media platforms that appeared to endorse or support activities against Israel attributed to Hamas.

brianlux

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.

Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?

 Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

 Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 

Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.

The parking lot was hit, and it is clear that there is no crater. That photo was posted on this thread a few times. A missile from a long distance detonating on impact would leave an obvious sign.

There is also video showing the missed going up and coming down, all geoloated within gaza. I don't have that handy, but this link below is supposedly proof of Hamas admitting it wasn't Israel.

Which is all besides the point, which was the western media organizations all took the word of a terrorist organization without verification. 


https://x.com/idf/status/1714548529538953637?s=61&t=2Rdn1xsdgfHauI5mfdJZeQ

Actually a number of western media outlets I read reported that both sides claimed the other was responsible including reports that the explosion may have been caused by an errant rocket fired by the Jihad.  Where did you get that they all blamed the Israelis?  Here?

 lol not here. I took a much needed time out for a few days


BBC came out first and many outlets ran with their story. I recommend reading the reddit comments for perspective as the story changed dramatically 


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https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/2XVaGxqU6M

Asked on BBC Radio Four Today Programme if he was willing to submit the IDF’s evidence to an independent body for investigation, he said: “That’s a ridiculous question. I just wanted to point out that when Hamas says something, you quote them endlessly and no evidence is required.

“However, when Israel comes forward and says something, you ask, ‘where’s the evidence’?”

The incident is among a string of events when the BBC and its journalists have refused to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation whilst reporting the groups attack on Israel. 

Six reporters have also been placed under investigation over activity on social media platforms that appeared to endorse or support activities against Israel attributed to Hamas.

Didn't know about or read the BBC article, but yeah, NY Time jumped the gun.  This is why more and more I read AP or Reuters for news.  I still read TY Times and Guardian, but less for political and international news, more for cultural things or sometimes commentary (not to be confused with "news").

Bottom line, as always:  "You can't believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see."  And, of course, always good to be skeptical and use critical thinking- two things that more and more seem to be lacking.

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

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JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

No war crime here, just defending themselves?

Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-17-23/index.html

Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 

Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.

This is a bad look for you. Just own the quick judgement and move on. We all make judgments based on the info we have and this appeared much worse and different then it seems it turned out to be.

And yet, without independent analysis and an investigation, we still don’t “know” who is to blame, do we? That said, it’s not like Israel hasn’t bombed hospitals before, now have they?

The “info” is still in question, isn’t it?

Yes, and thus no judgement should be made.  Just seemed weird to me that instead of saying you might have been wrong, you decided to talk about why Israel could be at fault... nothing about the rockets fired into Israel and the civilians specifically target by Hamas and how they could be at fault either by an accident or on purpose to get people like you talking about how bad Israel is.

This whole conflict is full of bad.  I wish we would go back to banning books and start with every religions holy book.

There’s nothing wrong with sticking to your beliefs. As of now, it’s still not “known” who’s responsible and it’s not like the US and Israel have never bombed civilians and then lied about it or covered it up. Interesting that some on here haven’t mentioned the Israeli discrepancies in their version of events and lack of comment to the same nor the ambiguous, as opposed to certain, language being used by the US.

As far as I can tell, I’m the only one willing to blame both sides while pointing out I’m opposed to religious fanaticism and terrorism, whether conducted by terrorists, Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad or governments, Israel and US. Further, I think I’m the only one who has offered a solution as unrealistic as it may be. Some on here want you to believe that Israel is somehow morally superior when they clearly are not and have a lot, and I mean a lot of blood on their hands. But they seem to get a pass because why, exactly? Moral superiority? If the pro-Israel crowd can’t acknowledge the atrocities committed by Israel, then they’re in denial and devoid of solutions.

No comment on the thousands of INNOCENT Palestinians currently being killed by Israel and US tax dollars in the name of “Israel is defending itself?” No comment on how Israel’s current actions may lead to a much wider conflict? What is the cost to Palestinians? Ten for every Israeli killed? Fifteen? Twenty? A thousand?

Im sure Hamas is firing rockets into Israel because of folks like me and not because of Israeli treatment of Palestinians within Israel and the occupied territories. I’m sure of it. I’ve been following this conflict since pre-junior high days and nothing has changed. Hell, I remember the 72 Olympics. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. And unfortunately, I won’t see peace in the ME in my lifetime.

Unlike some, I can differentiate between terrorists and a people and I can even remove the religion from the equation but I guess that makes me an anti-Semite, right?

cincybearcat

Dude chill, I didn't call you an anti-Semite.  And I am talking 1 specific incident and your willingness to believe 1 thing and then hold onto that belief when it appears more and more evidence seems to point to something very different. 

Nevermind.  Cause you are right about a few things for sure about the Israeli response.  I don't think there will ever be peace in the middle east.  And while you say you can separate religion....that region can't.

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Dude chill, I didn't call you an anti-Semite.  And I am talking 1 specific incident and your willingness to believe 1 thing and then hold onto that belief when it appears more and more evidence seems to point to something very different. 

Nevermind.  Cause you are right about a few things for sure about the Israeli response.  I don't think there will ever be peace in the middle east.  And while you say you can separate religion....that region can't.

I’m not upset and don’t need to chill and I didn’t think you called me an anti-Semite. Just pointing out that one side seems any criticism of Israel as being antisemitic. Why the hostility? I’m explaining myself and backing up my arguments, something some on here seem afraid to do. Do you have to question where I stand or do you pretty much understand where I stand, regardless if you agree with me or not? FFS.

Yea, Nevermind. OMG, somebody disagrees with me! Oh the horror.

The thing that strikes me is if Cambodia, South Africa, the Hutsis and Tutsis, Japan/Germany and US can reconcile after atrocities committed by both sides, why can’t the Israelis and Palestinians?

FiveBelow

brianlux said:

FiveBelow said:

It seems our current form of journalism has placed a much higher importance on being the first to report, rather than waiting more than 2 minutes to vet the information they spew. Gotta feed the insatiable appetite of the 24 hour news consumer, I guess. By the time a more accurate portrayal of events emerges they'll already be devouring the next "breaking" news cycle anyway. More clicks, and less accountability. No thanks.

Very good point.  Among a few others, I have an online subscription to NY Times and they frequently send my "breaking news" emails.  I often cringe a bit when I get their "jumping the gun" news updates.   And it's not just them.  Apparently, few  journalists today have read chapter 7, "Now... This" in this book:

That imagery says it all, I'll have to check it out.

mace1229 said:

FiveBelow said:

It seems our current form of journalism has placed a much higher importance on being the first to report, rather than waiting more than 2 minutes to vet the information they spew. Gotta feed the insatiable appetite of the 24 hour news consumer, I guess. By the time a more accurate portrayal of events emerges they'll already be devouring the next "breaking" news cycle anyway. More clicks, and less accountability. No thanks.

Of course, you get headline coverage when you're first. And if you happen to be wrong, a short apology and everyone forgets and moves on.

Whatever keeps them coming back for more.

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1715093159254925641?t=Zl1JR0QEEzdHpzpJkho0Rg&s=19

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1715091278759637078?t=9TR_liBcvGmSCx5wE8NNKA&s=19

23scidoo

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

JB16057 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

No war crime here, just defending themselves?

Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-17-23/index.html

Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 

Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.

Brandon wouldn't lie to you. 

Is there a politician who doesn't lie??

on which planet??..

23scidoo

HughFreakingDillon said:

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brianlux said:

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brianlux said:

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gimmesometruth27 said:

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nicknyr15 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

23scidoo said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

tbergs said:

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/PalBint/status/1712815918953136500?t=jo4_T89d3MF_0lO71RsH2Q&s=19

These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.

the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.

Trust me, more than 20..

yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.

Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world. 

You don't want to know what the rest incredible world people thinks about the americans..lol..

oh i am quite aware. i have dated women from different countries and i have heard all about it.

the fact that we have 70 million people that voted for trump and would gladly do so again without question is proof enough that this nation is full of psychopaths.

There is another word we often use , not the psychopath..lol..

To tell you the truth, sometimes I think the whole world has lost it's marbles.  Except maybe the Fijians.  I know people who have lived there and they sound like the really have their shit together- and a big part of that is that they don't get hung up about wanting to have a lot of shit.  Their relationships and enjoying life are far more important than stuff. 

The north Europe is the happiest place on earth..

Yeah, come to think of it, I know a young couple who lived in Sweden for a few years a liked it a lot except for having a hard time finding a place to live.

I wish all places could be happy places. 

Here's something from Heather Cox-Richardson that sounds hopeful anyway:

“There are two very different visions for the future and what the Middle East can and should be,” Blinken said today. The U.S. stands behind a vision “that has countries in the region normalizing their relations, integrating, working together in common purpose, and upholding and bringing forth the rights and aspirations of the Palestinian people.” 

The other vision is the one Hamas embraces: “a vision of death, of destruction, of nihilism, of terrorism. That’s a vision that does nothing to advance aspirations for Palestinians, that does nothing to help create better futures for people in the region, and does everything to bring total darkness to everyone that it’s able to affect.”

The visions are clear, Blinken said. He said he had no doubt that the overwhelming majority of people in the region would choose the first if given the chance. So it is the responsibility of “all of us who believe in that first path…to make it real, to bring it to light, to make it a clear, affirmative choice. And that’s what we’re determined to do…. If we do that, everyone in this region will be in a much better place and so will the rest of the world.”

Shocked to see Israel in the top 5 of happiest places to live. Canada is #13. US is 15. Greece doesn't even crack the top 50. lol

I can see how whappy it is to live on the States every day on the news..lol..
sure, we are not the happiest place in Earth to live..the most beautiful place in the world??..99%..
and also we know how to live life..but why you mention Greece??..
are you obsessed??..

obsessed? with what? get over yourself. just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of you constantly shitting on everyone else's country while the country you live in is in shambles. 

beautiful? of course. I'd love to visit one day. live there? FUCK NO

Ιt's just one country and thats why they think they rule the world..but i can make it in two countries if you like..
is it ever possible to compare your country with mine??..not in a thousand years..lol..you speak a language from another country which is 30% Greeks..lol..
i hope someday you visit us, i buy you a great Greek wine..

23scidoo

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/18/what-israel-can-learn-americas-counterterrorism-missteps

23scidoo

https://twitter.com/i/status/1714984258358391057

Bentleyspop

23scidoo said:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1714984258358391057

Breaking New...Al-Jazeera is heavily biased against Israel.

tempo_n_groove

Bentleyspop said:

23scidoo said:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1714984258358391057

Breaking New...Al-Jazeera is heavily biased against Israel.

I actually thought they were more central on reporting?

23scidoo

https://youtu.be/4idQbwsvtUo?si=V70esj5nTWKHADx-

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/DecodingFoxNews/status/1715997828751786441?t=SqAJnkLycglgvz6TLjoJHw&s=19

tempo_n_groove

They release hostages and this thread is dead?

23scidoo

About 2400 dead kids from both sides..that's the only thing we must care..

mace1229

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

23scidoo said:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1714984258358391057

Breaking New...Al-Jazeera is heavily biased against Israel.

I actually thought they were more central on reporting?

I wasn't sure, but this is what my Google search first came up with.

Halifax2TheMax

Israel defending itself.

Wife and two children of Al Jazeera’s Gaza bureau chief killed in airstrike, network says

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By Miriam Berger

For more than two weeks, Wael Dahdouh has been the steady face of news out of Gaza for Al Jazeera Arabic viewers.

On Wednesday night, he broke down over the bloodied corpse of one of his two children who, along with his wife, were killed in an Israeli strike on their home in the Nuseirat camp in central Gaza, the Qatari-owned news channel said.

The Israeli military said it was “checking on” the reports.