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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    I trust our government more than I trust Hamas.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.
    It seems to me that Israeli and Palestinian leadership have a history of participating in dis/misinformation and/or of not allowing third-party investigations. Add to that the difficulty of a forensics engineering assessment in the middle of an active war zone, and I don't see this ever being known. Reserving judgment is prudent, but most will simply draw conclusions that fit their internal narratives. 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,048
    mace1229 said:
    I trust our government more than I trust Hamas.
    even brandon?
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,768
    benjs said: 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.
    It's hard not to lean toward apathy... they've been fighting there for way longer than we've existed and will almost certainly be fighting long after we're gone. 

    Add to that the state of the world in 2023 w/ heightened tensions seemingly everywhere and propaganda & disinformation traveling at a faster rate than ever... it definitely feels like any sort of good faith discussion is just shoveling shit against the tide. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,460
    benjs said:
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.
    It seems to me that Israeli and Palestinian leadership have a history of participating in dis/misinformation and/or of not allowing third-party investigations. Add to that the difficulty of a forensics engineering assessment in the middle of an active war zone, and I don't see this ever being known. Reserving judgment is prudent, but most will simply draw conclusions that fit their internal narratives. 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.
    i was just thinking this yesterday. my twitter feed is nothing but this conflict. I'm sure partially through my own algorithmic behaviour. But man, I can't keep seeing these posts of headless babies and dead people all over the place. everyone blaming each other. can't believe ANY news source anymore. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    23scidoo said:
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    mickeyrat said:

    These extremist posts are just a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Go ahead and cue up the 1/06 footage and let the rest of the world see that the US is a nation of psychopaths.
    the us IS a nation of psychopaths though. the rest of the world has known that for 20 years.
    Trust me, more than 20..
    yeah true. i guess its been 20 since i have been certain of it.
    Yea because everywhere else in this incredible world people are way normal. Kinda of ridiculous to limit it to one country. Especially one that is supposedly a melting pot of people from all over the world. 
    You don't want to know what the rest incredible world people thinks about the americans..lol..
    oh i am quite aware. i have dated women from different countries and i have heard all about it.

    the fact that we have 70 million people that voted for trump and would gladly do so again without question is proof enough that this nation is full of psychopaths.
    There is another word we often use , not the psychopath..lol..

    To tell you the truth, sometimes I think the whole world has lost it's marbles.  Except maybe the Fijians.  I know people who have lived there and they sound like the really have their shit together- and a big part of that is that they don't get hung up about wanting to have a lot of shit.  Their relationships and enjoying life are far more important than stuff. 
    The north Europe is the happiest place on earth..

    Yeah, come to think of it, I know a young couple who lived in Sweden for a few years a liked it a lot except for having a hard time finding a place to live.
    I wish all places could be happy places. 
    Here's something from Heather Cox-Richardson that sounds hopeful anyway:

    “There are two very different visions for the future and what the Middle East can and should be,” Blinken said today. The U.S. stands behind a vision “that has countries in the region normalizing their relations, integrating, working together in common purpose, and upholding and bringing forth the rights and aspirations of the Palestinian people.” 

    The other vision is the one Hamas embraces: “a vision of death, of destruction, of nihilism, of terrorism. That’s a vision that does nothing to advance aspirations for Palestinians, that does nothing to help create better futures for people in the region, and does everything to bring total darkness to everyone that it’s able to affect.”

    The visions are clear, Blinken said. He said he had no doubt that the overwhelming majority of people in the region would choose the first if given the chance. So it is the responsibility of “all of us who believe in that first path…to make it real, to bring it to light, to make it a clear, affirmative choice. And that’s what we’re determined to do…. If we do that, everyone in this region will be in a much better place and so will the rest of the world.”


    Shocked to see Israel in the top 5 of happiest places to live. Canada is #13. US is 15. Greece doesn't even crack the top 50. lol
    I can see how whappy it is to live on the States every day on the news..lol..
    sure, we are not the happiest place in Earth to live..the most beautiful place in the world??..99%..
    and also we know how to live life..but why you mention Greece??..
    are you obsessed??..
    obsessed? with what? get over yourself. just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of you constantly shitting on everyone else's country while the country you live in is in shambles. 

    beautiful? of course. I'd love to visit one day. live there? FUCK NO
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    benjs said:
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.
    It seems to me that Israeli and Palestinian leadership have a history of participating in dis/misinformation and/or of not allowing third-party investigations. Add to that the difficulty of a forensics engineering assessment in the middle of an active war zone, and I don't see this ever being known. Reserving judgment is prudent, but most will simply draw conclusions that fit their internal narratives. 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.
    i was just thinking this yesterday. my twitter feed is nothing but this conflict. I'm sure partially through my own algorithmic behaviour. But man, I can't keep seeing these posts of headless babies and dead people all over the place. everyone blaming each other. can't believe ANY news source anymore. 
    it is the platform and the changes musk has made. anybody can pay to have their voice amplified and flat out lies are not checked and are allowed to spread there. its a fucking cesspool. the only tweets i see now are the ones mickey posts here, and i do not even click on those because i refuse to visit that hell site.
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  • JB16057
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    gimmesometruth27 said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    so are you actually believing brandon for once?
    I have believed some things that Brandon has said in the past and have expressed that here. I don't believe in rushing to judgement and it should be alarming to us all that American media picked up on that story, instantly blames Israel and ran with that story. Democrat politicians have done the same thing. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,830
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

    Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.
    This is a bad look for you. Just own the quick judgement and move on. We all make judgments based on the info we have and this appeared much worse and different then it seems it turned out to be.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

    Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.
    This is a bad look for you. Just own the quick judgement and move on. We all make judgments based on the info we have and this appeared much worse and different then it seems it turned out to be.
    And yet, without independent analysis and an investigation, we still don’t “know” who is to blame, do we? That said, it’s not like Israel hasn’t bombed hospitals before, now have they?

    The “info” is still in question, isn’t it?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    benjs said:
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.
    It seems to me that Israeli and Palestinian leadership have a history of participating in dis/misinformation and/or of not allowing third-party investigations. Add to that the difficulty of a forensics engineering assessment in the middle of an active war zone, and I don't see this ever being known. Reserving judgment is prudent, but most will simply draw conclusions that fit their internal narratives. 

    I'm curious - does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently? It seems people just firmly plant their feet (and heads) in the sand in a debate situation now, and it feels like an entirely empty gesture with no chance to even learn something you didn't know before. And then if you did learn - so what? What would you do with it that would amount to anything? It almost feels like a promotional poster in support of apathy.

    "does anyone else just find themselves not caring to talk about this anymore, with the knowledge that even public pressure doesn't sway the region's leaders or inhabitants to act or think any differently?"

    I reach discussion burn out on several issues for that very reason.  That and the distrust I have of so-called "information" that is out there.

    Regarding the Israeli-Palestine conflict, the subject at hand, I agree, I don't see anything any of us saying is going to change anything or change anyone's mind. 

    In a column I read recently, Thomas Friedman described the situation as each side out crazy the other.  Innocent Israelis are killed by the fanatical Hamas, and the Israeli retaliation inflicts death and suffering on Palestinians who are not supporters of Hamas.  The same story we've seen over and over around the world: the extremely powerful inflicting suffering on people who just want to go about their lives.  It would be so simple if both cultures could just be neighbors, accept that they have different beliefs and backgrounds, and just get along.  But that, of course, is totally naive and highly unlikely to ever happen because the average person has no sway on what happens.

    I even more and more frequently burn out on talking about what for me is the #1 issue of importance: environment.  After decades of supporting and being involved in environmental activism and seeing little change in human conservation efforts, it gets hard to keep doing it. 
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,848
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.

    The parking lot was hit, and it is clear that there is no crater. That photo was posted on this thread a few times. A missile from a long distance detonating on impact would leave an obvious sign.

    There is also video showing the missed going up and coming down, all geoloated within gaza. I don't have that handy, but this link below is supposedly proof of Hamas admitting it wasn't Israel.

    Which is all besides the point, which was the western media organizations all took the word of a terrorist organization without verification. 


    https://x.com/idf/status/1714548529538953637?s=61&t=2Rdn1xsdgfHauI5mfdJZeQ

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Lerxst1992 said:
    static111 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Man that denialism reads just like a Maggie three names tweet.
    Still believing Israel has clean hands in this conflict, currently and from 1948 onward, I see? Talk about denialism. Funny, you never responded to specific examples I posed to you, why was that?
     Why respond, you hate the zionists, they are wrong no matter what. Until the hatred ends and both sides give and take, this crap will continue. 

    Is there any evidence Palestinians were ever willing to negotiate for peace? Syria and Egypt walked away from the bargaining table yesterday with Biden because of fake news provided by a terror organization that was rushed to the public.

     Why stop at 1948? Why not tal hei or the Hebron massacre?

    Todays news is about the worldwide media trusting the word of a terror organization that’s on the same level as ISIS. 


    Has that actually been proven yet or is that just an allied talking point?  I trust the IDF and US Govt to give me an accurate picture as much as I trust Hamas.  Until we have video evidence or fragments of the missile/rocket evaluated by outside investigators I will reserve my judgement on who blasted the hospital.

    The parking lot was hit, and it is clear that there is no crater. That photo was posted on this thread a few times. A missile from a long distance detonating on impact would leave an obvious sign.

    There is also video showing the missed going up and coming down, all geoloated within gaza. I don't have that handy, but this link below is supposedly proof of Hamas admitting it wasn't Israel.

    Which is all besides the point, which was the western media organizations all took the word of a terrorist organization without verification. 


    https://x.com/idf/status/1714548529538953637?s=61&t=2Rdn1xsdgfHauI5mfdJZeQ


    Actually a number of western media outlets I read reported that both sides claimed the other was responsible including reports that the explosion may have been caused by an errant rocket fired by the Jihad.  Where did you get that they all blamed the Israelis?  Here?
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  • FiveBelow
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    It seems our current form of journalism has placed a much higher importance on being the first to report, rather than waiting more than 2 minutes to vet the information they spew. Gotta feed the insatiable appetite of the 24 hour news consumer, I guess. By the time a more accurate portrayal of events emerges they'll already be devouring the next "breaking" news cycle anyway. More clicks, and less accountability. No thanks.
  • brianlux
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    FiveBelow said:
    It seems our current form of journalism has placed a much higher importance on being the first to report, rather than waiting more than 2 minutes to vet the information they spew. Gotta feed the insatiable appetite of the 24 hour news consumer, I guess. By the time a more accurate portrayal of events emerges they'll already be devouring the next "breaking" news cycle anyway. More clicks, and less accountability. No thanks.

    Very good point.  Among a few others, I have an online subscription to NY Times and they frequently send my "breaking news" emails.  I often cringe a bit when I get their "jumping the gun" news updates.   And it's not just them.  Apparently, few  journalists today have read chapter 7, "Now... This" in this book:
    Are we Amusing Ourselves to Death in 2023 The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression

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  • mace1229
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    FiveBelow said:
    It seems our current form of journalism has placed a much higher importance on being the first to report, rather than waiting more than 2 minutes to vet the information they spew. Gotta feed the insatiable appetite of the 24 hour news consumer, I guess. By the time a more accurate portrayal of events emerges they'll already be devouring the next "breaking" news cycle anyway. More clicks, and less accountability. No thanks.
    Of course, you get headline coverage when you're first. And if you happen to be wrong, a short apology and everyone forgets and moves on.
  • cincybearcat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

    Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.
    This is a bad look for you. Just own the quick judgement and move on. We all make judgments based on the info we have and this appeared much worse and different then it seems it turned out to be.
    And yet, without independent analysis and an investigation, we still don’t “know” who is to blame, do we? That said, it’s not like Israel hasn’t bombed hospitals before, now have they?

    The “info” is still in question, isn’t it?
    Yes, and thus no judgement should be made.  Just seemed weird to me that instead of saying you might have been wrong, you decided to talk about why Israel could be at fault... nothing about the rockets fired into Israel and the civilians specifically target by Hamas and how they could be at fault either by an accident or on purpose to get people like you talking about how bad Israel is.

    This whole conflict is full of bad.  I wish we would go back to banning books and start with every religions holy book.
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  • static111
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    brianlux said:
    FiveBelow said:
    It seems our current form of journalism has placed a much higher importance on being the first to report, rather than waiting more than 2 minutes to vet the information they spew. Gotta feed the insatiable appetite of the 24 hour news consumer, I guess. By the time a more accurate portrayal of events emerges they'll already be devouring the next "breaking" news cycle anyway. More clicks, and less accountability. No thanks.

    Very good point.  Among a few others, I have an online subscription to NY Times and they frequently send my "breaking news" emails.  I often cringe a bit when I get their "jumping the gun" news updates.   And it's not just them.  Apparently, few  journalists today have read chapter 7, "Now... This" in this book:
    Are we Amusing Ourselves to Death in 2023 The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression

    Great book, should be required reading along with Bagdikian's Media Monopoly
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    JB16057 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No war crime here, just defending themselves?

    Palestinian health ministry says an estimated 200 to 300 people killed in Israeli strike on hospital in Gaza


    Why was it that everyone instantly blamed Israel for this attack? Most media jumped on this and instantly blamed Israel. Biden came out this morning and says that he thinks it was the other team after seeing actual evidence, not CNN reports. 
    Because maybe Israel has been dropping some inordinate amount of bombs on Gaza since the conflict began and has hit, whether purposely or not, civilian infrastructure like medical personnel, members of the press, hospitals, etc. in the past? Just a guess. Maybe take a look at the list of hospitals previously destroyed prior to this one? Just another suggestion.

    Key operative words, “he thinks.” Brandon doesn’t “know.” Regardless of who committed the act, it’s horrible.
    This is a bad look for you. Just own the quick judgement and move on. We all make judgments based on the info we have and this appeared much worse and different then it seems it turned out to be.
    And yet, without independent analysis and an investigation, we still don’t “know” who is to blame, do we? That said, it’s not like Israel hasn’t bombed hospitals before, now have they?

    The “info” is still in question, isn’t it?
    Yes, and thus no judgement should be made.  Just seemed weird to me that instead of saying you might have been wrong, you decided to talk about why Israel could be at fault... nothing about the rockets fired into Israel and the civilians specifically target by Hamas and how they could be at fault either by an accident or on purpose to get people like you talking about how bad Israel is.

    This whole conflict is full of bad.  I wish we would go back to banning books and start with every religions holy book.
    Never ever ever wrong. Ever. Forget it. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    static111 said:


    brianlux said:
    FiveBelow said:
    It seems our current form of journalism has placed a much higher importance on being the first to report, rather than waiting more than 2 minutes to vet the information they spew. Gotta feed the insatiable appetite of the 24 hour news consumer, I guess. By the time a more accurate portrayal of events emerges they'll already be devouring the next "breaking" news cycle anyway. More clicks, and less accountability. No thanks.

    Very good point.  Among a few others, I have an online subscription to NY Times and they frequently send my "breaking news" emails.  I often cringe a bit when I get their "jumping the gun" news updates.   And it's not just them.  Apparently, few  journalists today have read chapter 7, "Now... This" in this book:
    Are we Amusing Ourselves to Death in 2023 The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression

    Great book, should be required reading along with Bagdikian's Media Monopoly

    Yes, agreed on the Postman, and ever grateful for you turning me on to it!
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