Meanwhile back in Israel

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Somehow Linda knew this place was Hamas central, she is smarter than me. Of course the story with 40 babies was a lie because according to AMT, it’s from a shady news source. Well the cnn story below is horrific enough. Yea, AMT. that’s  comparable to checkpoints, limiting social interaction to incur violence, and monitoring borders to identify weapons smuggling.



You cannot say “ignore the fact Palestine refuses Israel’s right to exist “ and its land is occupied. The security measures exist for that fact alone. It goes no further than that despite whatever extremist liberal organizations want you to believe. Any North American would expect those security measures if Hamas and Hezbollah lived next door


It’s unreal the bias here is on a level with maga. The liberal news channels are nothing like this forum, it is stunning. Id be embarrassed frankly if I owned this forum. Every pro israeli point shot down with almost complete ignorance of facts and history. Both sides need to honestly negotiate here, and that comment got attacked repeatedly this week by the pro Hamas contingent.

Blame Israel for Arab extremism and Palestinian violations of signed treaties, yet Israel should exit West Bank, a land they somehow lived peacefully in before the Roman ethnic cleansing and forced relocation for thousands of years , which seems acceptable to this place. Israel having zero rights to their historical land has another name, Arab extremism.

 Israel needs a partner to negotiate peace in good faith. Peace needs give and take. Plenty israeli supporters dislike Netanyahu , but with Hamas at its borders it seems easy to visualize why they went so extreme to the right. Any North American would expect those security measure if Hamas and Hezbollah lived next door, worth repeating every word.

Only one commenter on this forum has been discussing peace treaties and the importance of negotiation.


this conflict remains simple. Peace thru negotiations or peace thru terrorism. It is palestines responsibility to be represented by honest leadership willing to work towards peace. Hopefully Egypt and Jordan can assist with that.


From cnn

‘Murdered in cold blood’: stories emerge of Israelis killed at Gaza border

Friends and relatives say Hamas killed a grandmother, parents protecting their children, and an entire  family during raids

As the hours passed, another horrific account emerged from the same kibbutz. Relatives of an as-yet-unnamed woman said their grandmother had been murdered by the militants, who then filmed her dying moments and posted them on her Facebook page.

I really don't get where your outrage is coming from. No one on here is supporting what Hamas did/is doing.

Below is a factually incorrect comment of yours. Free Palestine is a cry of their people, from the river to the sea. That is what created this mess. that is an irrefutable fact.

…

I can't say I'm 100% up on the history of the conflict but I know that Israel basically took a bunch of land from Palestine upon the failure of the attack in 1948. Repelling the attack was absolutely justified but taking the land that they had has created this mess. Just give it the fuck back and give them access to the…

That isn't a statement that supports Hamas.

It's also not factually incorrect.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/#:~:text=One of the two envisaged,population fled or were expelled.

mrussel1

Palestine managed to burn down much of its good will for me personally.  Israel's right wing govt may have laid the seeds for the attack,  but only Hamas is responsible for their actions.  Their crimes are no different than Russia's on the Ukrainian people. 

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1711907779269537813

Our need for instant news is dangerous

Gern Blansten

Sounds like Hezbollah is now involved. Unreal.

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Somehow Linda knew this place was Hamas central, she is smarter than me. Of course the story with 40 babies was a lie because according to AMT, it’s from a shady news source. Well the cnn story below is horrific enough. Yea, AMT. that’s  comparable to checkpoints, limiting social interaction to incur violence, and monitoring borders to identify weapons smuggling.



You cannot say “ignore the fact Palestine refuses Israel’s right to exist “ and its land is occupied. The security measures exist for that fact alone. It goes no further than that despite whatever extremist liberal organizations want you to believe. Any North American would expect those security measures if Hamas and Hezbollah lived next door


It’s unreal the bias here is on a level with maga. The liberal news channels are nothing like this forum, it is stunning. Id be embarrassed frankly if I owned this forum. Every pro israeli point shot down with almost complete ignorance of facts and history. Both sides need to honestly negotiate here, and that comment got attacked repeatedly this week by the pro Hamas contingent.

Blame Israel for Arab extremism and Palestinian violations of signed treaties, yet Israel should exit West Bank, a land they somehow lived peacefully in before the Roman ethnic cleansing and forced relocation for thousands of years , which seems acceptable to this place. Israel having zero rights to their historical land has another name, Arab extremism.

 Israel needs a partner to negotiate peace in good faith. Peace needs give and take. Plenty israeli supporters dislike Netanyahu , but with Hamas at its borders it seems easy to visualize why they went so extreme to the right. Any North American would expect those security measure if Hamas and Hezbollah lived next door, worth repeating every word.

Only one commenter on this forum has been discussing peace treaties and the importance of negotiation.


this conflict remains simple. Peace thru negotiations or peace thru terrorism. It is palestines responsibility to be represented by honest leadership willing to work towards peace. Hopefully Egypt and Jordan can assist with that.


From cnn

‘Murdered in cold blood’: stories emerge of Israelis killed at Gaza border

Friends and relatives say Hamas killed a grandmother, parents protecting their children, and an entire  family during raids

As the hours passed, another horrific account emerged from the same kibbutz. Relatives of an as-yet-unnamed woman said their grandmother had been murdered by the militants, who then filmed her dying moments and posted them on her Facebook page.

I really don't get where your outrage is coming from. No one on here is supporting what Hamas did/is doing.

Below is a factually incorrect comment of yours. Free Palestine is a cry of their people, from the river to the sea. That is what created this mess. that is an irrefutable fact.

…

I can't say I'm 100% up on the history of the conflict but I know that Israel basically took a bunch of land from Palestine upon the failure of the attack in 1948. Repelling the attack was absolutely justified but taking the land that they had has created this mess. Just give it the fuck back and give them access to the…

That isn't a statement that supports Hamas.

It's also not factually incorrect.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/#:~:text=One of the two envisaged,population fled or were expelled.

I am not sure you are addressing the river to the sea comment. That is the simplest problem both sides face.

we can go back and forth, both sides are right and wrong in cases of war. But peace cannot happen until both sides start off by recognizing the other,  and land cannot be peacefully shared until both sides want peace thru negotiation. To ignore one sides historical claims here, which was fully supported by the 1917 land owners, is just a horrific extreme position, which is spouted endlessly on this forum.

So I’ll play along, now go back to 1917 and tell me the then land owners position was of this territory. And let’s forgive their 30 year delay with two world wars they had to fight off in their homeland and hitlers bombshell.

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/Yair_Rosenberg/status/1712142556144754832

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shit posting at 4:11 AM local time sounds about right. What a way to live. 

Mahalo. 

Fax does it too, lol.

“Nothing is being done.”

I can shit post during the day too, like you.

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Somehow Linda knew this place was Hamas central, she is smarter than me. Of course the story with 40 babies was a lie because according to AMT, it’s from a shady news source. Well the cnn story below is horrific enough. Yea, AMT. that’s  comparable to checkpoints, limiting social interaction to incur violence, and monitoring borders to identify weapons smuggling.



You cannot say “ignore the fact Palestine refuses Israel’s right to exist “ and its land is occupied. The security measures exist for that fact alone. It goes no further than that despite whatever extremist liberal organizations want you to believe. Any North American would expect those security measures if Hamas and Hezbollah lived next door


It’s unreal the bias here is on a level with maga. The liberal news channels are nothing like this forum, it is stunning. Id be embarrassed frankly if I owned this forum. Every pro israeli point shot down with almost complete ignorance of facts and history. Both sides need to honestly negotiate here, and that comment got attacked repeatedly this week by the pro Hamas contingent.

Blame Israel for Arab extremism and Palestinian violations of signed treaties, yet Israel should exit West Bank, a land they somehow lived peacefully in before the Roman ethnic cleansing and forced relocation for thousands of years , which seems acceptable to this place. Israel having zero rights to their historical land has another name, Arab extremism.

 Israel needs a partner to negotiate peace in good faith. Peace needs give and take. Plenty israeli supporters dislike Netanyahu , but with Hamas at its borders it seems easy to visualize why they went so extreme to the right. Any North American would expect those security measure if Hamas and Hezbollah lived next door, worth repeating every word.

Only one commenter on this forum has been discussing peace treaties and the importance of negotiation.


this conflict remains simple. Peace thru negotiations or peace thru terrorism. It is palestines responsibility to be represented by honest leadership willing to work towards peace. Hopefully Egypt and Jordan can assist with that.


From cnn

‘Murdered in cold blood’: stories emerge of Israelis killed at Gaza border

Friends and relatives say Hamas killed a grandmother, parents protecting their children, and an entire  family during raids

As the hours passed, another horrific account emerged from the same kibbutz. Relatives of an as-yet-unnamed woman said their grandmother had been murdered by the militants, who then filmed her dying moments and posted them on her Facebook page.

I really don't get where your outrage is coming from. No one on here is supporting what Hamas did/is doing.

Below is a factually incorrect comment of yours. Free Palestine is a cry of their people, from the river to the sea. That is what created this mess. that is an irrefutable fact.

…

I can't say I'm 100% up on the history of the conflict but I know that Israel basically took a bunch of land from Palestine upon the failure of the attack in 1948. Repelling the attack was absolutely justified but taking the land that they had has created this mess. Just give it the fuck back and give them access to the…

That isn't a statement that supports Hamas.

It's also not factually incorrect.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/#:~:text=One of the two envisaged,population fled or were expelled.

I am not sure you are addressing the river to the sea comment. That is the simplest problem both sides face.

we can go back and forth, both sides are right and wrong in cases of war. But peace cannot happen until both sides start off by recognizing the other,  and land cannot be peacefully shared until both sides want peace thru negotiation. To ignore one sides historical claims here, which was fully supported by the 1917 land owners, is just a horrific extreme position, which is spouted endlessly on this forum.

So I’ll play along, now go back to 1917 and tell me the then land owners position was of this territory. And let’s forgive their 30 year delay with two world wars they had to fight off in their homeland and hitlers bombshell.

we agree that this shouldn't be happening right now...that's what is important

And it's getting much worse now that the northern border is splitting Israel's defense

My guess is that some US airstrikes are imminent

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shit posting at 4:11 AM local time sounds about right. What a way to live. 

Mahalo. 

Fax does it too, lol.

“Nothing is being done.”

I can shit post during the day too, like you.

lol, got em ruffled over "nothing"... And yes, you're right.

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

Palestine managed to burn down much of its good will for me personally.  Israel's right wing govt may have laid the seeds for the attack,  but only Hamas is responsible for their actions.  Their crimes are no different than Russia's on the Ukrainian people. 

Right.  

Russia's crimes against Ukraine are terrible, but that doesn't mean we should hate all Russians.  If the Ukraine retaliated and killed innocent Russians including children, most of us would not write that off as "collateral damage".  That's what I've been reading in places (not so much here) about the Israeli response to the attack by the Hamas.  Some are even calling for the annihilation of all Palestinians.  And if someone like me says they are opposed to the killing of innocent Palestinians, some people are implying or actually saying that that means someone opposing those killings is pro Hamas which is absolutely so much bullshit. 
Too often people let their emotions interfere with their reading comprehension and then things really spiral out of hand.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

lindamarie73 said:

Hmmm, I remember a time when calling out BLM as a domestic terrorist organization on this forum made some of y’all’s head spin.   Perhaps some of y’all should bust out your BLM gear in solidarity w/ HAMAS.   Truth hurts, I know….

Hamas is not Palestine....it's a terrorist group

The parachutes resemble Hamas coming in thought doesn't it?  They may have apologized for this but this screams that they are ok with what happened to me.

If you ever listen to Palestinian's talk they'd say that Israel forces do atrocities everyday but we rarely hear of that .  Then we hear about Palestinians doing atrocities but that makes the news.

I have no idea who is right or if there is even an answer to all this.

mrussel1

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

Palestine managed to burn down much of its good will for me personally.  Israel's right wing govt may have laid the seeds for the attack,  but only Hamas is responsible for their actions.  Their crimes are no different than Russia's on the Ukrainian people. 

Right.  

Russia's crimes against Ukraine are terrible, but that doesn't mean we should hate all Russians.  If the Ukraine retaliated and killed innocent Russians including children, most of us would not write that off as "collateral damage".  That's what I've been reading in places (not so much here) about the Israeli response to the attack by the Hamas.  Some are even calling for the annihilation of all Palestinians.  And if someone like me says they are opposed to the killing of innocent Palestinians, some people are implying or actually saying that that means someone opposing those killings is pro Hamas which is absolutely so much bullshit. 
Too often people let their emotions interfere with their reading comprehension and then things really spiral out of hand.

Agreed.  Civilians never want war.  It's the men in power. 

tempo_n_groove

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

Palestine managed to burn down much of its good will for me personally.  Israel's right wing govt may have laid the seeds for the attack,  but only Hamas is responsible for their actions.  Their crimes are no different than Russia's on the Ukrainian people. 

Right.  

Russia's crimes against Ukraine are terrible, but that doesn't mean we should hate all Russians.  If the Ukraine retaliated and killed innocent Russians including children, most of us would not write that off as "collateral damage".  That's what I've been reading in places (not so much here) about the Israeli response to the attack by the Hamas.  Some are even calling for the annihilation of all Palestinians.  And if someone like me says they are opposed to the killing of innocent Palestinians, some people are implying or actually saying that that means someone opposing those killings is pro Hamas which is absolutely so much bullshit. 
Too often people let their emotions interfere with their reading comprehension and then things really spiral out of hand.

Agreed.  Civilians never want war.  It's the men in power. 

60 minutes did a great investigative piece on this.  They interviewed both Palestinians and Israelis that lived in the West Bank at the time and they both said they blame the politicians.

good watch from a few years ago.

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shit posting at 4:11 AM local time sounds about right. What a way to live. 

Mahalo. 

Fax does it too, lol.

“Nothing is being done.”

I can shit post during the day too, like you.

lol, got em ruffled over "nothing"... And yes, you're right.

On brand. Tell us about Maggie Three Names and the Jewish space lasers. Or how “nothing is being done” about immigration.

HughFreakingDillon

Tell me again how Jews aren’t calling for the extermination of Palestinians: 

https://youtu.be/LHqUO5J2L6M?si=JYq5XaCwdfF54fU2

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shit posting at 4:11 AM local time sounds about right. What a way to live. 

Mahalo. 

Fax does it too, lol.

“Nothing is being done.”

I can shit post during the day too, like you.

lol, got em ruffled over "nothing"... And yes, you're right.

On brand. Tell us about Maggie Three Names and the Jewish space lasers. Or how “nothing is being done” about immigration.

You are right!

nicknyr15

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shit posting at 4:11 AM local time sounds about right. What a way to live. 

Mahalo. 

Fax does it too, lol.

“Nothing is being done.”

I can shit post during the day too, like you.

lol, got em ruffled over "nothing"... And yes, you're right.

On brand. Tell us about Maggie Three Names and the Jewish space lasers. Or how “nothing is being done” about immigration.

Can we keep this petty bullshit out of this thread? It’s ok to let things go every now and then. 

Halifax2TheMax

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shit posting at 4:11 AM local time sounds about right. What a way to live. 

Mahalo. 

Fax does it too, lol.

“Nothing is being done.”

I can shit post during the day too, like you.

lol, got em ruffled over "nothing"... And yes, you're right.

On brand. Tell us about Maggie Three Names and the Jewish space lasers. Or how “nothing is being done” about immigration.

Can we keep this petty bullshit out of this thread? It’s ok to let things go every now and then. 

You’re barking up the wrong tree. Direct your anger elsewhere. Or I suggest that you use the ignore feature.

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Gern Blansten said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Somehow Linda knew this place was Hamas central, she is smarter than me. Of course the story with 40 babies was a lie because according to AMT, it’s from a shady news source. Well the cnn story below is horrific enough. Yea, AMT. that’s  comparable to checkpoints, limiting social interaction to incur violence, and monitoring borders to identify weapons smuggling.



You cannot say “ignore the fact Palestine refuses Israel’s right to exist “ and its land is occupied. The security measures exist for that fact alone. It goes no further than that despite whatever extremist liberal organizations want you to believe. Any North American would expect those security measures if Hamas and Hezbollah lived next door


It’s unreal the bias here is on a level with maga. The liberal news channels are nothing like this forum, it is stunning. Id be embarrassed frankly if I owned this forum. Every pro israeli point shot down with almost complete ignorance of facts and history. Both sides need to honestly negotiate here, and that comment got attacked repeatedly this week by the pro Hamas contingent.

Blame Israel for Arab extremism and Palestinian violations of signed treaties, yet Israel should exit West Bank, a land they somehow lived peacefully in before the Roman ethnic cleansing and forced relocation for thousands of years , which seems acceptable to this place. Israel having zero rights to their historical land has another name, Arab extremism.

 Israel needs a partner to negotiate peace in good faith. Peace needs give and take. Plenty israeli supporters dislike Netanyahu , but with Hamas at its borders it seems easy to visualize why they went so extreme to the right. Any North American would expect those security measure if Hamas and Hezbollah lived next door, worth repeating every word.

Only one commenter on this forum has been discussing peace treaties and the importance of negotiation.


this conflict remains simple. Peace thru negotiations or peace thru terrorism. It is palestines responsibility to be represented by honest leadership willing to work towards peace. Hopefully Egypt and Jordan can assist with that.


From cnn

‘Murdered in cold blood’: stories emerge of Israelis killed at Gaza border

Friends and relatives say Hamas killed a grandmother, parents protecting their children, and an entire  family during raids

As the hours passed, another horrific account emerged from the same kibbutz. Relatives of an as-yet-unnamed woman said their grandmother had been murdered by the militants, who then filmed her dying moments and posted them on her Facebook page.

I really don't get where your outrage is coming from. No one on here is supporting what Hamas did/is doing.

Below is a factually incorrect comment of yours. Free Palestine is a cry of their people, from the river to the sea. That is what created this mess. that is an irrefutable fact.

…

I can't say I'm 100% up on the history of the conflict but I know that Israel basically took a bunch of land from Palestine upon the failure of the attack in 1948. Repelling the attack was absolutely justified but taking the land that they had has created this mess. Just give it the fuck back and give them access to the…

That isn't a statement that supports Hamas.

It's also not factually incorrect.

https://www.un.org/unispal/history/#:~:text=One of the two envisaged,population fled or were expelled.

I am not sure you are addressing the river to the sea comment. That is the simplest problem both sides face.

we can go back and forth, both sides are right and wrong in cases of war. But peace cannot happen until both sides start off by recognizing the other,  and land cannot be peacefully shared until both sides want peace thru negotiation. To ignore one sides historical claims here, which was fully supported by the 1917 land owners, is just a horrific extreme position, which is spouted endlessly on this forum.

So I’ll play along, now go back to 1917 and tell me the then land owners position was of this territory. And let’s forgive their 30 year delay with two world wars they had to fight off in their homeland and hitlers bombshell.

we agree that this shouldn't be happening right now...that's what is important

And it's getting much worse now that the northern border is splitting Israel's defense

My guess is that some US airstrikes are imminent

Let’s hope not, that would be scary. We need leaders in Palestine willing to negotiate and share. Both peoples have ancient claims to the West Bank. Anyone posting here that Israel can not have access to certain historical areas of West Bank is misguided, despite the USA not vetoing certain UN Resolutions that were a hope for peace, for which the Palestinians never held up their side

I hope those who like to yell out the O word realize there is a lot of sketchiness to the application of the Geneva conventions in those UN actions, and plenty of resolutions were outright vetoed by the USA. Both sides need to recognize the other has valid claims to West Bank, sit down and sign another treaty but this time follow it.

as far as Gaza goes, Israel has been begging Egypt to take it over for the better part of 15 years. Not even they want to deal with Gaza. For anyone yelling the O word, take a long look at what happened Saturday. That’s what happens when Israel withdraws. They were invaded many times from the West Bank up to 1967, none since they implemented security measures.

static111

nicknyr15 said:

Bullshit aside… I’m wondering what people’s thoughts are on that BLM post. 

You can stand with Palestine and be against hamas.  That's my view anyway