If you had the chance of making $800-1000 for something that you got cheap, or were able to trade it for something expensive that you really wanted but normally couldn't afford: Wouldn't you? Not taking into account the "not for resale" clause in this "lottery" of course.
I could donate a backspacer or LB, but if I got something like a Benny or LD, that I already owned (I wish!), I'd trade it for something missing from my collection, that I would't normally shell out for. ...in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't?
They'll always be some stuff in my opinion that wont ever get reissued. The demand and need just isnt there. I dont blame anyone for trading a colored pj20 to get a Benny etc. but dont think its ever possible to complete a collection, theres always something.
I must admit, I'm not sure I understand people feeling anger and are judgemental towards people because they aren't charitable with a record that's worth $300+. I feel like someone who does that is great. Very generous. But i don't expect people to do that. It doesn't seem fair.
. With you! Seriously folks, it is theirs they can do whatever they want with it, stop preaching what people should do with their possessions. If someone wants to flip or trade it it is their right, they just live with any consequences if they do it. Their choice, let's stop imposing our will on others
I spend an unhealthy amount of time considering the ethics surrounding the sell and trade of PJ stuff (or any rare memorabilia, I suppose.) Like PJ_Soul said, I don't think we can judge anyone for seeking fair market value in a trade/sell for some of the rare stuff. If they're doing it on here within the community and helping others complete a collection, I think that's cool. Beats them chasing some extra cash on eBay in my opinion. If someone is willing to take less in a sell/trade, or set up a prearranged deal with this mystery vinyl at cost, it's extremely commendable and cool of them. But, it's not fair to expect that of them.
I got the white BS in the sale as previously mentioned. I'm psyched to have a rare-er piece of vinyl to drool over. That said, I posted I'd happily trade it for a studio album I don't have. I don't figure it's super likely, but if I strike up a deal with a collector with a spare studio who wants the BS, great its a win-win. I'm not expecting people to beat my door down to trade a dollar for fifty cents though, and that's fine by me too. I just want stuff to be with people who will spin it like it should be! But, that's not always gonna be the case. No shots at anyone keeping spares in shrink, or buying something to trade later, just not my preference.
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Strange as it may sound, I wouldn't trade my PJ20 colored that I got it this sale for a Benny. I know the value difference and all, I'm just so grateful to have scored this record and it will always remind me of these frickin' crazy threads. I guess I'm sentimental that way, plus it's a damn fine record.
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Strange as it may sound, I wouldn't trade my PJ20 colored that I got it this sale for a Benny. I know the value difference and all, I'm just so grateful to have scored this record and it will always remind me of these frickin' crazy threads. I guess I'm sentimental that way, plus it's a damn fine record.
Not strange at all. That colored PJ20 is one damn fine lookin set! Congrats on the score!
Strange as it may sound, I wouldn't trade my PJ20 colored that I got it this sale for a Benny. I know the value difference and all, I'm just so grateful to have scored this record and it will always remind me of these frickin' crazy threads. I guess I'm sentimental that way, plus it's a damn fine record.
I wouldn't have traded a Lost Dogs for a Benny Hall either.
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If completists run out of things to collect you definitely need all different pressings as well, it is not enough to simply "have Yield" for example. There's US and Euro pressings;)
I just want all the studio lp's and lost dogs. Anything else would be up for trade to try get me the aforementioned however, if I got a benny, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to trade for at least 2 of the studio lp's. I'd offer it out to the forum and if there were no takers I'd open it up and spin the shit out of it haha.
What I am hoping for up in Canada: 1. Benny (pipe dream) 2. Lost Dogs 3. RVM 4. Sevens 5. Any side project, I guess - as I have the other PJ albums available.
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Received mine over the weekend. RVM and a STBC 7". Chuffed as the Europeans would put it.
Excellent. Although with each RVM that pops up, that's one less that has a chance to make it to my house. Hahaha.
I've got my fingers crossed for either a RVM or an Avocado. I know the odds of me receiving those collectively are about 3% but I'm still optimistic. I also think the International folks, in a way are enjoying this even more. We have no way to track our packages so there's a daily anticipation when you go to check the mail and we also have no clue about weight so it's all up in the air. Love. it. Regardless of what I receive, I'd do this again in a heartbeat.
If completists run out of things to collect you definitely need all different pressings as well, it is not enough to simply "have Yield" for example. There's US and Euro pressings;)
I have been doing this for a while, there are still a few EU pressings I need.
What I am hoping for up in Canada: 1. Benny (pipe dream) 2. Lost Dogs 3. RVM 4. Sevens 5. Any side project, I guess - as I have the other PJ albums available.
I'm hoping for the coloured pj20 set or a sevens on the West Coast of Canada. A Red Lightning Bolt or White Backspacer wouldn't be too shabby either. I've been collecting vinyl since the 90's so I have the original pressings of all the studio releases. I'm more or less looking for the limited alternate pressings that I don't have.
I wouldn't complain if I got a Yield either. My vinyl is in good shape but the front cover had a bit of water damage which resulted in a few white scratches on it. I covered it up with a but of black marker. You can't really tell but it's always bugged me. I guess it's moot as I'd never sell it anyways
If completists run out of things to collect you definitely need all different pressings as well, it is not enough to simply "have Yield" for example. There's US and Euro pressings;)
I have been doing this for a while, there are still a few EU pressings I need.
I'm trying to stay out of EU pressings and also trying to stay away from OBI cds. If I start doing them things could get ugly...
If completists run out of things to collect you definitely need all different pressings as well, it is not enough to simply "have Yield" for example. There's US and Euro pressings;)
I have been doing this for a while, there are still a few EU pressings I need.
I'm trying to stay out of EU pressings and also trying to stay away from OBI cds. If I start doing them things could get ugly...
If completists run out of things to collect you definitely need all different pressings as well, it is not enough to simply "have Yield" for example. There's US and Euro pressings;)
I have been doing this for a while, there are still a few EU pressings I need.
I'm trying to stay out of EU pressings and also trying to stay away from OBI cds. If I start doing them things could get ugly...
But OBIs look SO cool..
They definitely do....but collecting those would break the bank. I wish the US CD pressings used those.
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If you had the chance of making $800-1000 for something that you got cheap, or were able to trade it for something expensive that you really wanted but normally couldn't afford: Wouldn't you? Not taking into account the "not for resale" clause in this "lottery" of course.
I could donate a backspacer or LB, but if I got something like a Benny or LD, that I already owned (I wish!), I'd trade it for something missing from my collection, that I would't normally shell out for. ...in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't?
Not right because I only paid $50? Come on!
IMO, selling stuff "not for trade" is scummy. Fans have been trading stuff for over 20 years now..trade and trade away is what I say. If someone ends up with a red and black Lightning Bolt and wants to trade that red one for a poster, that's fine..the "value" of both is in the eyes of those involved in the trade.
However...people are gonna sell stuff because people will people. With that said... starting a Benny at $1.00 and having it end at $800 is one thing...but starting at $755.99 and having it end at $950 is just plain scummy.
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A lot of these types of trades proves that you really need to buy multiples of merch for trading purposes.
Yeah, I can kind of see that, but I think we all know what it's like to be behind the guy who buys 50 stickers and 25 posters to "afford his tour." I can totally see 1-2 extra posters, but there's definitely an unwritten rule about a limit.
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If you had the chance of making $800-1000 for something that you got cheap, or were able to trade it for something expensive that you really wanted but normally couldn't afford: Wouldn't you? Not taking into account the "not for resale" clause in this "lottery" of course.
I could donate a backspacer or LB, but if I got something like a Benny or LD, that I already owned (I wish!), I'd trade it for something missing from my collection, that I would't normally shell out for. ...in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't?
Not right because I only paid $50? Come on!
IMO, selling stuff "not for trade" is scummy. Fans have been trading stuff for over 20 years now..trade and trade away is what I say. If someone ends up with a red and black Lightning Bolt and wants to trade that red one for a poster, that's fine..the "value" of both is in the eyes of those involved in the trade.
However...people are gonna sell stuff because people will people. With that said... starting a Benny at $1.00 and having it end at $800 is one thing...but starting at $755.99 and having it end at $950 is just plain scummy.
I honestly don't see the difference between these two scenarios. "Starting" at $755.99 implies the reserve is set there. Everyone who bid excitedly between $1.00 and $755.98 and was later disheartened by the fact that they couldn't afford it, no longer has to deal with that elation followed by depression.
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I honestly don't see the difference between these two scenarios. "Starting" at $755.99 implies the reserve is set there. Everyone who bid excitedly between $1.00 and $755.98 and was later disheartened by the fact that they couldn't afford it, no longer has to deal with that elation followed by depression.
I agree. I'd much rather someone set their lowest price they're willing to set it at, rather than start it at $1 and have some invisible reserve price. It simply means at a price lower than $755 the seller isn't willing to part with their vinyl. That's how much it's worth to them. I'm not sure what my price is. It would probably take several grand to convince me to sell my Benaroya... and that would still be a hard sell. I'd rather keep it.
If completists run out of things to collect you definitely need all different pressings as well, it is not enough to simply "have Yield" for example. There's US and Euro pressings;)
I have been doing this for a while, there are still a few EU pressings I need.
Hope you collect the Korean LPs too! I like them because the sleeves are different, that Vs has some dodgy Photoshop work on the back and looks worse than some boots.
If completists run out of things to collect you definitely need all different pressings as well, it is not enough to simply "have Yield" for example. There's US and Euro pressings;)
I have been doing this for a while, there are still a few EU pressings I need.
Hope you collect the Korean LPs too! I like them because the sleeves are different, that Vs has some dodgy Photoshop work on the back and looks worse than some boots.
Plus Kim Jong Il wrote and performed all the songs on the first 4 PJ albums (while simultaneously shooting a round of 22 on the continent's most challenging golf course) according to North Korean lore.
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I could donate a backspacer or LB, but if I got something like a Benny or LD, that I already owned (I wish!), I'd trade it for something missing from my collection, that I would't normally shell out for. ...in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't?
Not right because I only paid $50? Come on!
Seriously folks, it is theirs they can do whatever they want with it, stop preaching what people should do with their possessions.
If someone wants to flip or trade it it is their right, they just live with any consequences if they do it. Their choice, let's stop imposing our will on others
I got the white BS in the sale as previously mentioned. I'm psyched to have a rare-er piece of vinyl to drool over. That said, I posted I'd happily trade it for a studio album I don't have. I don't figure it's super likely, but if I strike up a deal with a collector with a spare studio who wants the BS, great its a win-win. I'm not expecting people to beat my door down to trade a dollar for fifty cents though, and that's fine by me too. I just want stuff to be with people who will spin it like it should be! But, that's not always gonna be the case. No shots at anyone keeping spares in shrink, or buying something to trade later, just not my preference.
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1. Benny (pipe dream)
2. Lost Dogs
3. RVM
4. Sevens
5. Any side project, I guess - as I have the other PJ albums available.
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I've got my fingers crossed for either a RVM or an Avocado. I know the odds of me receiving those collectively are about 3% but I'm still optimistic.
I also think the International folks, in a way are enjoying this even more. We have no way to track our packages so there's a daily anticipation when you go to check the mail and we also have no clue about weight so it's all up in the air. Love. it. Regardless of what I receive, I'd do this again in a heartbeat.
I wouldn't complain if I got a Yield either. My vinyl is in good shape but the front cover had a bit of water damage which resulted in a few white scratches on it. I covered it up with a but of black marker. You can't really tell but it's always bugged me. I guess it's moot as I'd never sell it anyways
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IMO, selling stuff "not for trade" is scummy. Fans have been trading stuff for over 20 years now..trade and trade away is what I say. If someone ends up with a red and black Lightning Bolt and wants to trade that red one for a poster, that's fine..the "value" of both is in the eyes of those involved in the trade.
However...people are gonna sell stuff because people will people. With that said... starting a Benny at $1.00 and having it end at $800 is one thing...but starting at $755.99 and having it end at $950 is just plain scummy.
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