If completists run out of things to collect you definitely need all different pressings as well, it is not enough to simply "have Yield" for example. There's US and Euro pressings;)
I have been doing this for a while, there are still a few EU pressings I need.
Hope you collect the Korean LPs too! I like them because the sleeves are different, that Vs has some dodgy Photoshop work on the back and looks worse than some boots.
Yea. The Korean presses are a must. Don't even get me started on cassettes from Asian countries.
A lot of these types of trades proves that you really need to buy multiples of merch for trading purposes.
Yeah, I can kind of see that, but I think we all know what it's like to be behind the guy who buys 50 stickers and 25 posters to "afford his tour." I can totally see 1-2 extra posters, but there's definitely an unwritten rule about a limit.
I agree totally, but with trading the way it is.... i can understand what goes on.
If you had the chance of making $800-1000 for something that you got cheap, or were able to trade it for something expensive that you really wanted but normally couldn't afford: Wouldn't you? Not taking into account the "not for resale" clause in this "lottery" of course.
I could donate a backspacer or LB, but if I got something like a Benny or LD, that I already owned (I wish!), I'd trade it for something missing from my collection, that I would't normally shell out for. ...in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't?
Not right because I only paid $50? Come on!
IMO, selling stuff "not for trade" is scummy. Fans have been trading stuff for over 20 years now..trade and trade away is what I say. If someone ends up with a red and black Lightning Bolt and wants to trade that red one for a poster, that's fine..the "value" of both is in the eyes of those involved in the trade.
However...people are gonna sell stuff because people will people. With that said... starting a Benny at $1.00 and having it end at $800 is one thing...but starting at $755.99 and having it end at $950 is just plain scummy.
I'm not sure what's scummy here - nobody is forcing anybody to bid on anything. I tend to agree that you should set the start price at the minimum you're willing to sell for and if someone wants to pay more for it, by all means, they're an adult.
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It's easy to sit there and say you'd like to have more money. And I guess that's what I like about it. It's easy. Just sitting there, rocking back and forth, wanting that money. --Jack Handey
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If you had the chance of making $800-1000 for something that you got cheap, or were able to trade it for something expensive that you really wanted but normally couldn't afford: Wouldn't you? Not taking into account the "not for resale" clause in this "lottery" of course.
I could donate a backspacer or LB, but if I got something like a Benny or LD, that I already owned (I wish!), I'd trade it for something missing from my collection, that I would't normally shell out for. ...in a heartbeat. Who wouldn't?
Not right because I only paid $50? Come on!
IMO, selling stuff "not for trade" is scummy. Fans have been trading stuff for over 20 years now..trade and trade away is what I say. If someone ends up with a red and black Lightning Bolt and wants to trade that red one for a poster, that's fine..the "value" of both is in the eyes of those involved in the trade.
However...people are gonna sell stuff because people will people. With that said... starting a Benny at $1.00 and having it end at $800 is one thing...but starting at $755.99 and having it end at $950 is just plain scummy.
I'm not sure what's scummy here - nobody is forcing anybody to bid on anything. I tend to agree that you should set the start price at the minimum you're willing to sell for and if someone wants to pay more for it, by all means, they're an adult.
** its all about supply and demand folks , if you think someone will pay that amount of money for a record then list it for that! ie Benny was on ebay a while ago at something like $1200 , if you want it you pay it, if you don't want to pay that much wait for one that's cheaper, that's how it works people I still don't get why everyone is so hooked up on ebay and the prices offered by the sellers , fuck me no one ever sold anything for more than it worth? **
the only people really to blame are the band , issue enough records so every who wants one can buy one simple , and then don't stash away 5-10 benny and so many coloured pj20 , and all the other items that have mysteriously now shown up , and not expect them not to be sold on as there is demand for them , its life people come on
rant over have a lovely day America , England , Canada and ROW
The reason they don't reissue all of this stuff is because they want the demand to be there for their products. Right now they can sell whatever they want with a "limited" description and it will sell. Reissuing everything will flood the market and their stuff won't be as collectible. Then when their next "limited" item becomes available less people will but it.
They know their market, and most people go crazy with anything they sell, especially vinyl related. This is why people get all worked up over a colored, or numbered version of a piece of wax.
The reason they don't reissue all of this stuff is because they want the demand to be there for their products. Right now they can sell whatever they want with a "limited" description and it will sell. Reissuing everything will flood the market and their stuff won't be as collectible. Then when their next "limited" item becomes available less people will but it.
They know their market, and most people go crazy with anything they sell, especially vinyl related. This is why people get all worked up over a coloured, or numbered version of a piece of wax.
I get that ,I think your missing my point a little , I was been sarky about all the people moaning about stuff getting put on ebay , if you read what I put its clear about the demand for things that why people put them on ebay because someone if they want it will buy at the price put on by the seller , if you don't want to pay the price don't buy it, just stop fucking moaning about it as its going to be life , if not enough are issued to cover demand hence as i said it was supply and demand - less supply higher the price !!
The reason they don't reissue all of this stuff is because they want the demand to be there for their products. Right now they can sell whatever they want with a "limited" description and it will sell. Reissuing everything will flood the market and their stuff won't be as collectible. Then when their next "limited" item becomes available less people will but it.
They know their market, and most people go crazy with anything they sell, especially vinyl related. This is why people get all worked up over a coloured, or numbered version of a piece of wax.
I get that ,I think your missing my point a little , I was been sarky about all the people moaning about stuff getting put on ebay , if you read what I put its clear about the demand for things that why people put them on ebay because someone if they want it will buy at the price put on by the seller , if you don't want to pay the price don't buy it, just stop fucking moaning about it as its going to be life , if not enough are issued to cover demand hence as i said it was supply and demand - less supply higher the price !!
I wasn't directly responding to your point, but I agree. My point however is that the band doesn't want to reissue to keep the demand for their products high
The reason they don't reissue all of this stuff is because they want the demand to be there for their products. Right now they can sell whatever they want with a "limited" description and it will sell. Reissuing everything will flood the market and their stuff won't be as collectible. Then when their next "limited" item becomes available less people will but it.
They know their market, and most people go crazy with anything they sell, especially vinyl related. This is why people get all worked up over a coloured, or numbered version of a piece of wax.
I get that ,I think your missing my point a little , I was been sarky about all the people moaning about stuff getting put on ebay , if you read what I put its clear about the demand for things that why people put them on ebay because someone if they want it will buy at the price put on by the seller , if you don't want to pay the price don't buy it, just stop fucking moaning about it as its going to be life , if not enough are issued to cover demand hence as i said it was supply and demand - less supply higher the price !!
The reason they don't reissue all of this stuff is because they want the demand to be there for their products. Right now they can sell whatever they want with a "limited" description and it will sell. Reissuing everything will flood the market and their stuff won't be as collectible. Then when their next "limited" item becomes available less people will but it.
They know their market, and most people go crazy with anything they sell, especially vinyl related. This is why people get all worked up over a coloured, or numbered version of a piece of wax.
I get that ,I think your missing my point a little , I was been sarky about all the people moaning about stuff getting put on ebay , if you read what I put its clear about the demand for things that why people put them on ebay because someone if they want it will buy at the price put on by the seller , if you don't want to pay the price don't buy it, just stop fucking moaning about it as its going to be life , if not enough are issued to cover demand hence as i said it was supply and demand - less supply higher the price !!
I wasn't directly responding to your point, but I agree. My point however is that the band doesn't want to reissue to keep the demand for their products high
I really don't think that's it. Do you really think they won't re-issue No Code on vinyl because they want to keep demand for the limited product made 20 years ago? I don't see it.
My guess? They probably aren't confident that they will make money by re-issuing all the past albums (No Code, Yield, Binaural, Avacado, RVM, etc.). Yes most of us on this board will buy them...but how many others would? Would it for sure cover the cost of re-printing all these different albums? Let's be honest, the casual PJ fan has the albums he wants already re-issued. The guy that cites Even Flow as his favorite song, probably won't want to buy a Vinyl copy of Lost Dogs.
And if they want to keep some items scarce, there's plenty of other things to keep scarce. The vault releases, Benaroya Hall vinyl, the ceramic mugs, tour posters and shirts, etc.
My guess? They probably aren't confident that they will make money by re-issuing all the past albums (No Code, Yield, Binaural, Avacado, RVM, etc.). Yes most of us on this board will buy them...but how many others would? Would it for sure cover the cost of re-printing all these different albums? Let's be honest, the casual PJ fan has the albums he wants already re-issued. The guy that cites Even Flow as his favorite song, probably won't want to buy a Vinyl copy of Lost Dogs.
I would agree. They seemed to have a lot of leftover copies of the Vs./Vitalogy boxset. I'm guessing sales were underwhelming and everything got put on the backburner. It's too bad. The first 3 albums were the least hard to find on vinyl. It's starting with No Code that it got really hard. Thus out of the Vs./Vitalogy boxset the reason most people bought it was for the live vinyl. At least the ten set had a DVD, tape, live vinyl, and an interesting remix.
On the flip side the band go barebones and simply reissue the vinyl and not continue the mega boxsets. I'm thinking they intend to keep doing the mega boxsets as they make more money. I'm thinking vs/vitalogy took the wind out of their sales but they'll pick it up again. It's the only reason I can think of they would do standalone vinyl reissues. If people already have the vinyl it's harder to get them to double dip on the boxset (later on).
Hopefully we see a No Code/Yield boxset soon. Hopefully it's not remastered
Those boxsets that combine two albums are kind of lame IMO. I hope they don't do that again. I think combining them like that is why they didn't sell well. I believe that most people want a release for EACH album. And I think that any PJ reissue would do really well now. Vinyl sales have skyrocketed since they reissued Vitalogy. Let's just hope they do a MUCH better job on any future reissues than they did on the first three. The sound on those suck.
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The only thing that would have made that Vs/Vitalogy box set better:
1) A digital download of that cassette. I still haven't heard that audio. 2) ORRRR.... a re-issue of the "Five Against One" with the misspelling of Dave A's last name.
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I think the boxset didn't do too well because they tried to stuff ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag. All the extras are nice and things I'd like to have but not necessarily to the tune of $140, especially when you're really just interested in new copies of the two studio albums.
I agree. Not everything has to be super deluxe. Just reissue the albums in the exact same format as they were originally, keep them affordable (i.e. under $35 USD), and people would buy them. In other words, keep it simple, stupid.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think the boxset didn't do too well because they tried to stuff ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag. All the extras are nice and things I'd like to have but not necessarily to the tune of $140, especially when you're really just interested in new copies of the two studio albums.
I would agree. To me the vs/vitalogy set was two studio albums and a live lp. That's maybe $100 in value. The ten set had the benefit of the unplugged dvd which had never been released. I thought that was pretty cool. I would of loved to have seen a bluray and/or dvd from the vs/vitalogy era. I would thought an official release of the bootleg that shall never be named would of been easy.
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Regardless of personal preference, what would be considered a good score? Benny Sevens Lightning Bolt (red) Avocado PJ20 (colour) Fixer (blue) Music For Film (colour)
Regardless of personal preference, what would be considered a good score? Benny Sevens Lightning Bolt (red) Avocado PJ20 (colour) Fixer (blue) Music For Film (colour)
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Thanks. Then I'd consider Riot Act a good score as well.
I'd personally rate them: Benny, LD, PJ20 colored, Yield/Avocado/Riot Act, PJ20, RVM, Sevens, Ten 1st press, Uke songs, ITW, coke Ten, Above, orange RNDM, VS reissue, then the rest. I'd say the odds are pretty decent of getting something good.
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10/08/14 Tulsa 10/09/14 Lincoln
9/26/15 New York City
4/16/16 Greenville 4/28/16 Philly 1 4/29/16 Philly 2 5/1/16 MSG 1 5/2/16 MSG 2 8/7/16 Fenway 2 8/20/16 Wrigley 1
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the only people really to blame are the band , issue enough records so every who wants one can buy one simple , and then don't stash away 5-10 benny and so many coloured pj20 , and all the other items that have mysteriously now shown up , and not expect them not to be sold on as there is demand for them , its life people come on
rant over have a lovely day America , England , Canada and ROW
They know their market, and most people go crazy with anything they sell, especially vinyl related. This is why people get all worked up over a colored, or numbered version of a piece of wax.
I was been sarky about all the people moaning about stuff getting put on ebay , if you read what I put its clear about the demand for things that why people put them on ebay because someone if they want it will buy at the price put on by the seller , if you don't want to pay the price don't buy it, just stop fucking moaning about it as its going to be life , if not enough are issued to cover demand hence as i said it was supply and demand - less supply higher the price !!
My guess? They probably aren't confident that they will make money by re-issuing all the past albums (No Code, Yield, Binaural, Avacado, RVM, etc.). Yes most of us on this board will buy them...but how many others would? Would it for sure cover the cost of re-printing all these different albums? Let's be honest, the casual PJ fan has the albums he wants already re-issued. The guy that cites Even Flow as his favorite song, probably won't want to buy a Vinyl copy of Lost Dogs.
And if they want to keep some items scarce, there's plenty of other things to keep scarce. The vault releases, Benaroya Hall vinyl, the ceramic mugs, tour posters and shirts, etc.
On the flip side the band go barebones and simply reissue the vinyl and not continue the mega boxsets. I'm thinking they intend to keep doing the mega boxsets as they make more money. I'm thinking vs/vitalogy took the wind out of their sales but they'll pick it up again. It's the only reason I can think of they would do standalone vinyl reissues. If people already have the vinyl it's harder to get them to double dip on the boxset (later on).
Hopefully we see a No Code/Yield boxset soon. Hopefully it's not remastered
And I think that any PJ reissue would do really well now. Vinyl sales have skyrocketed since they reissued Vitalogy. Let's just hope they do a MUCH better job on any future reissues than they did on the first three. The sound on those suck.
1) A digital download of that cassette. I still haven't heard that audio.
2) ORRRR.... a re-issue of the "Five Against One" with the misspelling of Dave A's last name.
I also would like the original pressings to remain unique too. (coming from someone who still needs Yield, Binaural, Avocado, LO2L, LD)
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Benny
Sevens
Lightning Bolt (red)
Avocado
PJ20 (colour)
Fixer (blue)
Music For Film (colour)
What others would you consider?
Fixer (orange)
RVM
Lost Dogs
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I'd personally rate them: Benny, LD, PJ20 colored, Yield/Avocado/Riot Act, PJ20, RVM, Sevens, Ten 1st press, Uke songs, ITW, coke Ten, Above, orange RNDM, VS reissue, then the rest. I'd say the odds are pretty decent of getting something good.