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You think the coach gets a bunch of shit, for not playing Carli Llloyd enough, if the USA doesn't win the WC? I mean, she's still one of the best goal scorers in the world. And she did score 3 goals in this WC with limited playing time.Cliffy6745 said:So this women’s team is something. Hell of a performance. I find it wild Lloyd is at the point in her career to get like a half hour of play the entire time.
Proud of those women. Very impressive. And honestly, challenged some of my sensibilities. I am happy for that too on a personal level.
I did not think the women deserve equal pay, and I am still not sure they can keep up the dollar signs outside of every four years, but they did some serious numbers. Best selling Nike jerseys, which obviously. The ticket prices for the France game. The sheer number of people attending these games. The people who I am friends with who are interested in it. The scenes from KC and dumbo, though the men have these crowds all over the country. It’s wild and I am a lot more aligned with their argument than I was a few weeks ago. And hell, they’ll probably have equal pay just in time for my 18 month old daughter to wear number 10 with hopefully a couple more stars on the crest.
My wife commenting how cocky rapinoe is and me defending rapinoe saying, know who else is cocky, Ronaldo...why can’t she be.
Thanks for the therapy season here haha. Regardless, congrats to the women and let’s go win two trophies today!
I forget the exact dollar figures, but the pay difference is huge. FIFA makes Billions so can they contribute more money for the women in the WC?
Rose Lavelle was the best player vs England.
Yeah, how does Altidore miss the net.............. completely? How old is he now?0 -
Cliffy6745 said:That right there is why everyone hates jozy
Yep. One of the most frustrating US soccer players of all time.0 -
Fuck. That was coming for a good 15 minutes now0
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What a horrific 2nd half. And like I said Cliffy...it's like a home game for Mexico. That's why the US never schedules any WC qualifiers here anymore...usually end up playing a road game.Cliffy6745 said:Fuck. That was coming for a good 15 minutes now0 -
Crazy. Crowd is insane. Where the hell can they play? Columbus? Seattle?Indifference71 said:
What a horrific 2nd half. And like I said Cliffy...it's like a home game for Mexico. That's why the US never schedules any WC qualifiers here anymore...usually end up playing a road game.Cliffy6745 said:Fuck. That was coming for a good 15 minutes now0 -
Yeah it sounds wild down there right now. Was at a QC qualifier in 2009 vs Honduras at Soldier Field and US fans were outnumbered big time. They've become more strategic when scheduling those games now in places like Columbus, Seattle, Kansas City, Salt Lake City...Cliffy6745 said:
Crazy. Crowd is insane. Where the hell can they play? Columbus? Seattle?Indifference71 said:
What a horrific 2nd half. And like I said Cliffy...it's like a home game for Mexico. That's why the US never schedules any WC qualifiers here anymore...usually end up playing a road game.Cliffy6745 said:Fuck. That was coming for a good 15 minutes now0 -
They definitely have though remember some criticism of the World Cup qualifying scheduling. The Costa Rica gameIndifference71 said:
Yeah it sounds wild down there right now. Was at a QC qualifier in 2009 vs Honduras at Soldier Field and US fans were outnumbered big time. They've become more strategic when scheduling those games now in places like Columbus, Seattle, Kansas City, Salt Lake City...Cliffy6745 said:
Crazy. Crowd is insane. Where the hell can they play? Columbus? Seattle?Indifference71 said:
What a horrific 2nd half. And like I said Cliffy...it's like a home game for Mexico. That's why the US never schedules any WC qualifiers here anymore...usually end up playing a road game.Cliffy6745 said:Fuck. That was coming for a good 15 minutes now0 -
I fucking hate Mexico soccer0
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We had our chances.Cliffy6745 said:I fucking hate Mexico soccerI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Congratulations USA to the gold medal !!!!0
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I'm really trying not to hate on Berhalter too much but holy shit is he making it hard. Those 3 subs that he brought on in the 2nd half were horrific. Down a goal in he 80th minute and you bring on a fullback with your last sub. Yikes. He's in love with all of these mediocre MLS players. It's ridiculous.
Bradley has had a great career, but I think his time is up. So many giveaways in the midfield last night and he's just too slow to make a significant impact anymore. And can we please just stop it with Jozy and Zardes?? Weah and Sargent should be the strikers going forward....it's time to fully commit to the youth movement and move on from the past.0 -
Yeah that's true. Scheduling that Costa Rica game just outside of NYC was not a good move. It sounds fucked up, but they really shouldn't schedule any qualifiers in any diverse big cities because it will just end up being a road game.Cliffy6745 said:
They definitely have though remember some criticism of the World Cup qualifying scheduling. The Costa Rica gameIndifference71 said:
Yeah it sounds wild down there right now. Was at a QC qualifier in 2009 vs Honduras at Soldier Field and US fans were outnumbered big time. They've become more strategic when scheduling those games now in places like Columbus, Seattle, Kansas City, Salt Lake City...Cliffy6745 said:
Crazy. Crowd is insane. Where the hell can they play? Columbus? Seattle?Indifference71 said:
What a horrific 2nd half. And like I said Cliffy...it's like a home game for Mexico. That's why the US never schedules any WC qualifiers here anymore...usually end up playing a road game.Cliffy6745 said:Fuck. That was coming for a good 15 minutes now0 -
Congrats to the Women!!!
Bradley and Jozy need to go. Rose Lavelle showed the men how its done with that foot cannon. Bring on the youth. Too much bitching and moaning about no calls from the men as well.Alright, alright, alright!
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This is where I struggle with this a bit. I saw a breakdown of the money. It was something like a base of $75k of qualifying and making the team, then the next $175k was bonuses from winning. This is where I struggle with it a bit. Based on what the women did, the $75k base is bonkers low it seems to me. Would imagine the men get a good bit more. Make those equal.cutz said:
That said, with the rest coming from bonuses, and a lot of that probably coming from FIFA, they just can't get the same pay there because FIFA is making sooooooooooo much more money off the men's world cup.0 -
Well to be fair, one deal is real money that's spent. The other is only on paper.cutz said:0 -
I dont disagree with what anyone has said about the men last night but I do think this is fair.
https://deadspin.com/the-usmnt-lost-the-gold-cup-final-and-thats-probably-o-1836187519
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Agreed. Many of the games this tournament were played to half-full arenas. That never happens in the Men's World Cup where it's nearly impossible to get a ticket. There has to be some correlation between overall financial intake and player salaries. Should the Thailand women make as much as the Ivory Coast men? I'm all for equal salaries in the modern workforce, but in sports it has to be based on the overall revenue of said sport. The European tour in golf doesn't come close to the PGA tour because of this reason. It's not gender biased, it's financially motivated.Cliffy6745 said:
This is where I struggle with this a bit. I saw a breakdown of the money. It was something like a base of $75k of qualifying and making the team, then the next $175k was bonuses from winning. This is where I struggle with it a bit. Based on what the women did, the $75k base is bonkers low it seems to me. Would imagine the men get a good bit more. Make those equal.cutz said:
That said, with the rest coming from bonuses, and a lot of that probably coming from FIFA, they just can't get the same pay there because FIFA is making sooooooooooo much more money off the men's world cup.0 -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/03/07/world-cup-soccer-pay-disparity-between-men-and-women-is-justified/?fbclid=IwAR1UCJBCbI0w0i_m2gbwyahsZ1MkdNfUi2ArlF2F2wgCl7JpsLMErJ_OmZY#15c8a9a56da4
Revenue Disparity Explains Pay Disparity Between Soccer World Cup's Men And Women
News today that France earned $38 million from FIFA for winning soccer's World Cup in Russia, while the women's champion in France this summer will earn just $4 million, has prompted outrage.
The total prize money for the Women's World Cup in France this July will be $30 million compared with total prize money of $440 million for the men's teams at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.
“The difference between the men’s and women’s prize money is ridiculous,” Tatjana Haenni, who oversaw women’s soccer for FIFA before stepping down in 2017, said, according to the Associated Press. “It’s really disappointing the gap between the men’s and women’s World Cups got bigger. It sends the wrong message.”
Nonsense. When viewed appropriately—based on how much money they generate—women actually make more than men.
As Dwight Jaynes pointed out four years ago after the U.S. women beat Japan to capture the World Cup in Vancouver, there is a big difference in the revenue available to pay the teams. The Women's World Cup brought in almost $73 million, of which the players got 13%. The 2010 men's World Cup in South Africa made almost $4 billion, of which 9% went to the players.
The men still pull the World Cup money wagon. The men's World Cup in Russia generated over $6 billion in revenue, with the participating teams sharing $400 million, less than 7% of revenue. Meanwhile, the Women's World Cup is expected to earn $131 million for the full four-year cycle 2019-22 and dole out $30 million to the participating teams.
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I won't rest until every player in the WNBA makes the same as the NBA.mcgruff10 said:https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/03/07/world-cup-soccer-pay-disparity-between-men-and-women-is-justified/?fbclid=IwAR1UCJBCbI0w0i_m2gbwyahsZ1MkdNfUi2ArlF2F2wgCl7JpsLMErJ_OmZY#15c8a9a56da4Revenue Disparity Explains Pay Disparity Between Soccer World Cup's Men And Women
News today that France earned $38 million from FIFA for winning soccer's World Cup in Russia, while the women's champion in France this summer will earn just $4 million, has prompted outrage.
The total prize money for the Women's World Cup in France this July will be $30 million compared with total prize money of $440 million for the men's teams at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.
“The difference between the men’s and women’s prize money is ridiculous,” Tatjana Haenni, who oversaw women’s soccer for FIFA before stepping down in 2017, said, according to the Associated Press. “It’s really disappointing the gap between the men’s and women’s World Cups got bigger. It sends the wrong message.”
Nonsense. When viewed appropriately—based on how much money they generate—women actually make more than men.
As Dwight Jaynes pointed out four years ago after the U.S. women beat Japan to capture the World Cup in Vancouver, there is a big difference in the revenue available to pay the teams. The Women's World Cup brought in almost $73 million, of which the players got 13%. The 2010 men's World Cup in South Africa made almost $4 billion, of which 9% went to the players.
The men still pull the World Cup money wagon. The men's World Cup in Russia generated over $6 billion in revenue, with the participating teams sharing $400 million, less than 7% of revenue. Meanwhile, the Women's World Cup is expected to earn $131 million for the full four-year cycle 2019-22 and dole out $30 million to the participating teams.
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