Iran Deal, the reset.....

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  • rr165892 said:

    RiotZact said:

    rr165892 said:



    And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.

    Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?
    Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.
    hillary is a neocon.

    votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
    yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.
    The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
    i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.

    hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least.
    Absolutely, delaying war is a good thing. I hope that continues. But I hope it's not just a matter of delaying for the sake of being better prepared and to allow more time for Iran's allies to be taken out or weakened first.
    Fingers are crossed for Bernie...I like his stance on most issues. I wish I had more faith that he'll get the Dem nod.
  • rr165892 said:

    RiotZact said:

    rr165892 said:



    And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.

    Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?
    Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.
    hillary is a neocon.

    votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
    yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.
    The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
    i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.

    hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least.
    Absolutely, delaying war is a good thing. I hope that continues. But I hope it's not just a matter of delaying for the sake of being better prepared and to allow more time for Iran's allies to be taken out or weakened first.
    Fingers are crossed for Bernie...I like his stance on most issues. I wish I had more faith that he'll get the Dem nod.
    i think we will get sucked into this isis thing and syrian civil war before we ever have a chance for war with iran. we are already fighting a proxy war in syria, which if we are not careful will put us on a collision course with russia. i think this can be averted by electing sanders. hillary will proceed with a war so she does not appear "weak", and the republican field is too stupid and too confident in their own ignorance that they will actually hasten a war.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rr165892 said:

    RiotZact said:

    rr165892 said:



    And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.

    Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?
    Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.
    hillary is a neocon.

    votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
    yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.
    The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
    i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.

    hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least.
    Absolutely, delaying war is a good thing. I hope that continues. But I hope it's not just a matter of delaying for the sake of being better prepared and to allow more time for Iran's allies to be taken out or weakened first.
    Fingers are crossed for Bernie...I like his stance on most issues. I wish I had more faith that he'll get the Dem nod.
    i think we will get sucked into this isis thing and syrian civil war before we ever have a chance for war with iran. we are already fighting a proxy war in syria, which if we are not careful will put us on a collision course with russia. i think this can be averted by electing sanders. hillary will proceed with a war so she does not appear "weak", and the republican field is too stupid and too confident in their own ignorance that they will actually hasten a war.
    ya, that's already happening....and I agree, western involvement will only increase in the coming months and years. I worry that the sudden huge coverage of the refugee crisis could signal the beginning of that...and I also worry that the cultural wedge being driven by the coverage and ensuing debate will be the catalyst for massive worldwide unrest following the next terror attack, wherever/whenever it may be, by whomever is responsible....which will in turn increase support for more war in the middle east, and limitations to personal freedom at home. The world is getting scarier by the day, despite initiatives like this deal. There is a lot of prep work going on in both Russia and NATO states for full scale war right now.
    More reason to support Sanders.
  • i think the republicans are upset because this deal ties the hands of the next few presidents. not that the republicans will ever win the white house again, but still. they do not like the fact that this is an agreement between multiple nations. if their guy negotiated this deal they would be saying how great it is.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697

    rr165892 said:

    RiotZact said:

    rr165892 said:



    And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.

    Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?
    Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.
    hillary is a neocon.

    votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
    yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.
    The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
    i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.

    hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least.
    Absolutely, delaying war is a good thing. I hope that continues. But I hope it's not just a matter of delaying for the sake of being better prepared and to allow more time for Iran's allies to be taken out or weakened first.
    Fingers are crossed for Bernie...I like his stance on most issues. I wish I had more faith that he'll get the Dem nod.
    i think we will get sucked into this isis thing and syrian civil war before we ever have a chance for war with iran. we are already fighting a proxy war in syria, which if we are not careful will put us on a collision course with russia. i think this can be averted by electing sanders. hillary will proceed with a war so she does not appear "weak", and the republican field is too stupid and too confident in their own ignorance that they will actually hasten a war.
    ya, that's already happening....and I agree, western involvement will only increase in the coming months and years. I worry that the sudden huge coverage of the refugee crisis could signal the beginning of that...and I also worry that the cultural wedge being driven by the coverage and ensuing debate will be the catalyst for massive worldwide unrest following the next terror attack, wherever/whenever it may be, by whomever is responsible....which will in turn increase support for more war in the middle east, and limitations to personal freedom at home. The world is getting scarier by the day, despite initiatives like this deal. There is a lot of prep work going on in both Russia and NATO states for full scale war right now.
    More reason to support Sanders.
    Good post,I feel a similar scenario will play out.(except for support for Sanders)
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    i think the republicans are upset because this deal ties the hands of the next few presidents. not that the republicans will ever win the white house again, but still. they do not like the fact that this is an agreement between multiple nations. if their guy negotiated this deal they would be saying how great it is.

    I don't know about republicans not getting back in. If it's Bernie against bush think bush wins. Bernie will be challenged getting minority vote and no huge help from women. If it's Clinton against bush, Bill wins. Lotsa Interns with less scrutiny.

    There are lotsa Christians whose realities are being challenged so they will be out in force to maintain the illusions. So call we get republican but not trump or homophobic surgeon. Bush will win.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,584
    Dont count Kasich out.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Is this a joke?

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427619/state-department-iran-deal-not-legally-binding-signed

    The state department says the deal isn't even a deal? What an absolute waste of time. Again this administration trying to give off the appearance that it is doing something when in actuality it is just doing nothing.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,584
    BS44325 said:

    Is this a joke?

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427619/state-department-iran-deal-not-legally-binding-signed

    The state department says the deal isn't even a deal? What an absolute waste of time. Again this administration trying to give off the appearance that it is doing something when in actuality it is just doing nothing.

    Who's administration? Canada's?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,584
    Btw it WAS in fact signed by the duly designated representative the iranian minister of foreign affairs. Same with every other party. Look it up.

    Thanks for playing though.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mickeyrat said:

    Btw it WAS in fact signed by the duly designated representative the iranian minister of foreign affairs. Same with every other party. Look it up.

    Thanks for playing though.

    So if it was "signed" why is the state department saying it wasn't? Probably because the designated representative has zero authority in implementation. The Ayatollah decides everything.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Btw it WAS in fact signed by the duly designated representative the iranian minister of foreign affairs. Same with every other party. Look it up.

    Thanks for playing though.

    So if it was "signed" why is the state department saying it wasn't? Probably because the designated representative has zero authority in implementation. The Ayatollah decides everything.
    Leave it to the NRO to attempt to confuse the issue. Remember, NRO is started by William Kristol and is ground zero for the neocon hawks. We all know their allegiance is to Israel before the US.
    Of course it's not a treaty. A treaty must be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate. And of course it isn't legally binding. Either side could walk away from the deal without any immediate consequences. I mean, what are you going to do, sue them in civil court? Subpoena them to the Hague?
    The State Department is absolutely right. It's a series of political commitments. If Iran breaks them, then we have leverage to re-institute sanctions and we would have the rest of the UN right with us, and likely Russia.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Btw it WAS in fact signed by the duly designated representative the iranian minister of foreign affairs. Same with every other party. Look it up.

    Thanks for playing though.

    So if it was "signed" why is the state department saying it wasn't? Probably because the designated representative has zero authority in implementation. The Ayatollah decides everything.
    Leave it to the NRO to attempt to confuse the issue. Remember, NRO is started by William Kristol and is ground zero for the neocon hawks. We all know their allegiance is to Israel before the US.
    Of course it's not a treaty. A treaty must be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate. And of course it isn't legally binding. Either side could walk away from the deal without any immediate consequences. I mean, what are you going to do, sue them in civil court? Subpoena them to the Hague?
    The State Department is absolutely right. It's a series of political commitments. If Iran breaks them, then we have leverage to re-institute sanctions and we would have the rest of the UN right with us, and likely Russia.
    National Review was founded by William Buckley in 1955. The Weekly Standard is William Kristol. Good attempt at trying to put a jew on the masthead of National Review though. I'm sure the Israel haters on here almost bought it.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Btw it WAS in fact signed by the duly designated representative the iranian minister of foreign affairs. Same with every other party. Look it up.

    Thanks for playing though.

    So if it was "signed" why is the state department saying it wasn't? Probably because the designated representative has zero authority in implementation. The Ayatollah decides everything.
    Leave it to the NRO to attempt to confuse the issue. Remember, NRO is started by William Kristol and is ground zero for the neocon hawks. We all know their allegiance is to Israel before the US.
    Of course it's not a treaty. A treaty must be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate. And of course it isn't legally binding. Either side could walk away from the deal without any immediate consequences. I mean, what are you going to do, sue them in civil court? Subpoena them to the Hague?
    The State Department is absolutely right. It's a series of political commitments. If Iran breaks them, then we have leverage to re-institute sanctions and we would have the rest of the UN right with us, and likely Russia.
    National Review was founded by William Buckley in 1955. The Weekly Standard is William Kristol. Good attempt at trying to put a jew on the masthead of National Review though. I'm sure the Israel haters on here almost bought it.
    You're correct. I mixed the two. However, the opinions espoused by the two magazines are indistinguishable when it comes to foreign affairs. Krauthammer and Lowry, for example, are neo-cons and contributors (and the editor). So regardless of my mixing of the two, my point stands as the NRO aggressively wrote against the Iran deal, so of course they are going to continue to shill against it for silly reasons.
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,144
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    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Btw it WAS in fact signed by the duly designated representative the iranian minister of foreign affairs. Same with every other party. Look it up.

    Thanks for playing though.

    So if it was "signed" why is the state department saying it wasn't? Probably because the designated representative has zero authority in implementation. The Ayatollah decides everything.
    Leave it to the NRO to attempt to confuse the issue. Remember, NRO is started by William Kristol and is ground zero for the neocon hawks. We all know their allegiance is to Israel before the US.
    Of course it's not a treaty. A treaty must be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate. And of course it isn't legally binding. Either side could walk away from the deal without any immediate consequences. I mean, what are you going to do, sue them in civil court? Subpoena them to the Hague?
    The State Department is absolutely right. It's a series of political commitments. If Iran breaks them, then we have leverage to re-institute sanctions and we would have the rest of the UN right with us, and likely Russia.
    National Review was founded by William Buckley in 1955. The Weekly Standard is William Kristol. Good attempt at trying to put a jew on the masthead of National Review though. I'm sure the Israel haters on here almost bought it.
    He referred to Kristol as a neocon hawk, not a Jew, not an Israeli. If there's anyone who keeps bringing up the potential for Israeli involvement - it's you, through telling everyone they're all anti-Semites time and time again.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Btw it WAS in fact signed by the duly designated representative the iranian minister of foreign affairs. Same with every other party. Look it up.

    Thanks for playing though.

    So if it was "signed" why is the state department saying it wasn't? Probably because the designated representative has zero authority in implementation. The Ayatollah decides everything.
    Leave it to the NRO to attempt to confuse the issue. Remember, NRO is started by William Kristol and is ground zero for the neocon hawks. We all know their allegiance is to Israel before the US.
    Of course it's not a treaty. A treaty must be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate. And of course it isn't legally binding. Either side could walk away from the deal without any immediate consequences. I mean, what are you going to do, sue them in civil court? Subpoena them to the Hague?
    The State Department is absolutely right. It's a series of political commitments. If Iran breaks them, then we have leverage to re-institute sanctions and we would have the rest of the UN right with us, and likely Russia.
    National Review was founded by William Buckley in 1955. The Weekly Standard is William Kristol. Good attempt at trying to put a jew on the masthead of National Review though. I'm sure the Israel haters on here almost bought it.
    He referred to Kristol as a neocon hawk, not a Jew, not an Israeli. If there's anyone who keeps bringing up the potential for Israeli involvement - it's you, through telling everyone they're all anti-Semites time and time again.
    Not "again and again" but just when I see it. Unfortunately on the AMT that just happens to be often.
  • The neocons are spinning themselves into, well, whatever. Salient point here is that a Russian ship left Iran with most of it's nuclear material, rendering them unable to produce a nuclear weapon. But don't let the sound of the beating war drums distract you. So much for that nuclear deal being "dead."

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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Just like the North Korean deal this one seems to be working out great...

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/nuclear-deal-fuels-irans-hard-liners-1452294637
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,584
    Hmm interesting all that fuel was loaded on russian ships per the agreement.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    BS44325 said:

    Just like the North Korean deal this one seems to be working out great...

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/nuclear-deal-fuels-irans-hard-liners-1452294637

    This is subscriber only. Can you copy and paste the text for us?
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095

    Iran has removed the core of its Arak heavy-water nuclear reactor and filled it with cement, according to the country's official news agency Fars.
  • dignin said:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095

    Iran has removed the core of its Arak heavy-water nuclear reactor and filled it with cement, according to the country's official news agency Fars.

    it appears that they want sanctions relief and are going to do what is required for that to happen.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    dignin said:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095

    Iran has removed the core of its Arak heavy-water nuclear reactor and filled it with cement, according to the country's official news agency Fars.

    Well that's not a biased news source.lol

    Of course they want sanctions lifted.
    Thats why they will show us what we want to see,while being sneaky behind our back.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,584
    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095

    Iran has removed the core of its Arak heavy-water nuclear reactor and filled it with cement, according to the country's official news agency Fars.

    Well that's not a biased news source.lol

    Of course they want sanctions lifted.
    Thats why they will show us what we want to see,while being sneaky behind our back.
    So far IAEA seems satisfied. They have other reactors but not a heavy water one any more, which Is what is used to glean Plutonium out of the processing of Uranium. They HAVE been adhereing to this agreement despite what the had liners rhetoric is. Verified.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095

    Iran has removed the core of its Arak heavy-water nuclear reactor and filled it with cement, according to the country's official news agency Fars.

    Well that's not a biased news source.lol

    Of course they want sanctions lifted.
    Thats why they will show us what we want to see,while being sneaky behind our back.
    The BBC?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,584
    dignin said:

    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095

    Iran has removed the core of its Arak heavy-water nuclear reactor and filled it with cement, according to the country's official news agency Fars.

    Well that's not a biased news source.lol

    Of course they want sanctions lifted.
    Thats why they will show us what we want to see,while being sneaky behind our back.
    The BBC?
    FARS.
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Well they seemed to be in the thick of it today.
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    Iran holding American sailors are they for real .....
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    dignin said:

    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095

    Iran has removed the core of its Arak heavy-water nuclear reactor and filled it with cement, according to the country's official news agency Fars.

    Well that's not a biased news source.lol

    Of course they want sanctions lifted.
    Thats why they will show us what we want to see,while being sneaky behind our back.
    The BBC?
    dignin said:

    rr165892 said:

    dignin said:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35285095

    Iran has removed the core of its Arak heavy-water nuclear reactor and filled it with cement, according to the country's official news agency Fars.

    Well that's not a biased news source.lol

    Of course they want sanctions lifted.
    Thats why they will show us what we want to see,while being sneaky behind our back.
    The BBC?
    Actually BBC is fair,I was cross pollinating threads with link info.My bad.But my bottom statement stands.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Peace in our time
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