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  • BS44325
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    Still waiting for the other ship you referenced. Wow, got a link? Wait, I don't believe in facts! Its my predetermined thoughts, minus thought, contemplation and work to determine, what might be really going on. Yo? you smoke pot?
    Do I have to do all your homework for you?

    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    That took me two seconds. It is amazing how you continue to epically fail yet still return.

    As far as the pot...used to smoke a ton...probably more then everyone on these boards combined...now down to once in a blue moon.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Why don't you educate me oh wise Professor Chickenhawk?

    Well you see there you go with your childish ways...

    Me - no service - chickenhawk
    Tom Cotton - service - "I am warrior hear me roar"


    Listen to him. Tom Cotton, hero of Afghanistan. Hear him, question his Commander in Chief. Listen to him as he hates. Listen to his words, His bluster. Twitter is the norm. As a veteran, one would think that war, hate, the sacrifice of what was a defense of our ideals would mean something. Apparently not.

    Fuck Tom Cotton.
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  • BS44325
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Why don't you educate me oh wise Professor Chickenhawk?

    Well you see there you go with your childish ways...

    Me - no service - chickenhawk
    Tom Cotton - service - "I am warrior hear me roar"


    Listen to him. Tom Cotton, hero of Afghanistan. Hear him, question his Commander in Chief. Listen to him as he hates. Listen to his words, His bluster. Twitter is the norm. As a veteran, one would think that war, hate, the sacrifice of what was a defense of our ideals would mean something. Apparently not.

    Fuck Tom Cotton.
    Listen to yourself.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    I love this. So if I say its happened, and you don't research it, it must be true? FUCK YOU! Rupert Murdoch and his ilk are so alive and if you're not catching it, shame on you!

    Facts are funny things.
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  • BS44325
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    I love this. So if I say its happened, and you don't research it, it must be true? FUCK YOU! Rupert Murdoch and his ilk are so alive and if you're not catching it, shame on you!

    Facts are funny things.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    Here's the link again in case you missed it the first time. Facts are funny things.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Jason P said:

    As I've stated in the past, 10 year plans are complete horse pucky. Can anyone remember a single promise that a politician made 10 years ago?

    Halifax, you make a good point that they only need a few years to accomplish a nuclear weapon development. If we sign this deal, they can put up a smokescreen for a few years as their economy recovers and the solidify their power while not complying.

    Does anyone remember Hans Blix dealing with the Iraq smokescreen? Signing this deal could lead to war. We need to hold strong to get them to end the program.

    We should be offering energy trades to end their nuclear program instead of letting them proceed as planned.

    You're why I keep reading this forum. Rational thought. So, Hans Blix? Yea, he basically had it right. He reported on it. Iraq had complied with the UN resolutions, except, except, they , the Iraqis didn't announce or "submit." they played the game of allusion of strength, In the end, what did we get? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Was Hans Blix wrong in his assessments? Or reporting to the UN?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    I love this. So if I say its happened, and you don't research it, it must be true? FUCK YOU! Rupert Murdoch and his ilk are so alive and if you're not catching it, shame on you!

    Facts are funny things.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    Here's the link again in case you missed it the first time. Facts are funny things.
    Funny. Do you comprehend? Or do you blindly post? Or, do you
    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    I love this. So if I say its happened, and you don't research it, it must be true? FUCK YOU! Rupert Murdoch and his ilk are so alive and if you're not catching it, shame on you!

    Facts are funny things.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    Here's the link again in case you missed it the first time. Facts are funny things.


    Iran's seizure of the Maersk Tigris is the second time in a week it has harassed transiting vessels under U.S. protection in the Strait of Hormuz.

    A senior defense official at the Pentagon said that on Friday, the Maersk Kensington, a U.S.-flagged cargo vessel, was intercepted by four Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy patrol craft.







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    "In the incident, the [Iranian] patrol craft at one point encircled the Maersk Kensington, and eventually followed the ship as it continued on its course. The [Iranian] units eventually withdrew from the area," the official said.
    Iran's harassment of ships in the Strait follows its attempt last week to send a convoy of vessels to Yemen, which was eventually turned away after the arrival of the U.S. aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt.

    The incident with the Kensington, however, differs from Tuesday's seizure of the Maersk Tigris, a Marshall Islands-flagged vessel. The Marshall Islands is a protectorate of the U.S., and dependent upon the U.S. for its defense and security.

    In Tuesday's incident with the Tigris, Iranian patrol craft ordered the cargo ship — as it was transiting through a portion of the Strait controlled by Iran, but where international sea treaties have created a safe passage route — to stop its movement and turn the ship further into Iranian waters. When the shipmaster refused, the patrol craft fired warning shots across the Tigris' bow. The vessel then complied, and was boarded by Iranian forces.

    Since the incident at approximately 4 a.m. Eastern time Tuesday, the Tigris has not appeared to leave the area it was last reported, near Larak, an Iranian-owned island in the Strait.

    The U.S. Navy said it did not have updates on the Maersk Tigris, except that the U.S. destroyer USS Farragut is close by and monitoring the situation.

    In the Maersk Kensington's case, that ship did not request assistance from U.S. Naval forces during the incident and U.S. forces were not present or involved. The Kensington's master subsequently reported the incident to U.S. Naval Forces Central Command.

    In the Maersk Tigris case, the shipmaster sent out a distress call to which the USS Farragut responded.

    The Pentagon said U.S. Naval Forces Central Command is now communicating with the U.S. shipping industry on how vessels should respond to any further encounters that they perceive to be threatening, and how to report requesting assistance from the Navy.

    The Navy said it will respond to any threat to U.S.-flagged ships transiting the sea lanes in the region.




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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Say again?
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    Still waiting for the other ship you referenced. Wow, got a link? Wait, I don't believe in facts! Its my predetermined thoughts, minus thought, contemplation and work to determine, what might be really going on. Yo? you smoke pot?
    Do I have to do all your homework for you?

    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    That took me two seconds. It is amazing how you continue to epically fail yet still return.

    As far as the pot...used to smoke a ton...probably more then everyone on these boards combined...now down to once in a blue moon.
    Professor Chickenhawk, I wonder for what is your motivation? Why wage the hate and the war and the depravity? Why? Is it Afghanistan you wish to tame. Syria? Jordan? Israel to be free? Libya with a modern, free capitalistic democracy? What is it? Market share? Or freedom, as you so righteously inhale? Or is it fear that creeps into your soul?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Jason P said:

    I've never been to Iran, but it is my understanding they have almost unlimited access to the giant burning orb in the sky. We should be discussing trading solar panel technology to offset what they would gain in nuclear technology. That makes sense if Iran's true intention is energy independence.

    All liberals should be doing back-flips for such a proposal. The left freaks out on proposed U.S. Nuclear plant expansion. And the left wants more U.S. solar power. And we could use U.S. manpower to build and send such solar panels instead of pumping it into the F-35 program.

    Iran achieves energy independence. We create more jobs.

    It's a win / win scenario.

    Yet an option I've yet heard to be discussed.

    Jason P, finally a voice in the wilderness. And I'm with you, except, except., Reagan removed the solar panels from the White House in 1981. Now imagine if the oil industry didn't shoot that shit down? Imagine if the US invested, developed and exported the technology we developed. Imagine. But no, China owns it now, Exxon/Mobile wont stand for it and the Koch Brothers, Adelson, et. al. are going to allow solar? You're smoking. And you want Iran to surrender their "investment" their ace in the hole for something we, the US, never believed in? I mean I'm with you, I wish it could be, and it should. But, but, but, look at what would prevent it, Haliburton, Exxon, every freaking fossil fuel burning business around.

    Hmm, "life span of the sun" versus "known, anticipated or suspected oil deposits, inclusive of fracking, water waste and all" What the fuck is wrong with us?
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    I love this. So if I say its happened, and you don't research it, it must be true? FUCK YOU! Rupert Murdoch and his ilk are so alive and if you're not catching it, shame on you!

    Facts are funny things.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    Here's the link again in case you missed it the first time. Facts are funny things.
    Funny. Do you comprehend? Or do you blindly post? Or, do you read what you post?
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    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    I love this. So if I say its happened, and you don't research it, it must be true? FUCK YOU! Rupert Murdoch and his ilk are so alive and if you're not catching it, shame on you!

    Facts are funny things.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    Here's the link again in case you missed it the first time. Facts are funny things.
    "In the incident, the [Iranian] patrol craft at one point encircled the Maersk Kensington, and eventually followed the ship as it continued on its course. The [Iranian] units eventually withdrew from the area," the official said.

    Guess that defines, "seizure?" Another ship, plural. multiple, guess those Iranians have to be stopped? Ronny and Bonzo always said, "nuke 'em 'till they glow."
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  • badbrains
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    Somebody got worked. Hahaha
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    I love this. So if I say its happened, and you don't research it, it must be true? FUCK YOU! Rupert Murdoch and his ilk are so alive and if you're not catching it, shame on you!

    Facts are funny things.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    Here's the link again in case you missed it the first time. Facts are funny things.
    "In the incident, the [Iranian] patrol craft at one point encircled the Maersk Kensington, and eventually followed the ship as it continued on its course. The [Iranian] units eventually withdrew from the area," the official said.

    Guess that defines, "seizure?" Another ship, plural. multiple, guess those Iranians have to be stopped? Ronny and Bonzo always said, "nuke 'em 'till they glow."
    Oh. So encircling and harrassing isn't enough for you to count as a "seizure". See how this works is one week Iran encircles a ship and tests for a response. When they see no response the next week they push a little further and seize a ship. This is Iran being intentionally belligerent and the US has correctly responded by sending the navy to protect the Marshall Islands and the shipping lanes. Does that mean go to war? Again no. What it means is that you should stop being naive during these negotiations.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    edited May 2015
    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Funny, you use the plural of ships. They didn't seize ships. They escorted a ship to an Iranian port. Any word from the Canadian navy on said seized ship? Why hasn't the Canadian navy liberated said ship?

    I used the plural because it happened a few weeks ago as well. Do some research. Or don't.
    I love this. So if I say its happened, and you don't research it, it must be true? FUCK YOU! Rupert Murdoch and his ilk are so alive and if you're not catching it, shame on you!

    Facts are funny things.
    http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2563734

    Here's the link again in case you missed it the first time. Facts are funny things.
    "In the incident, the [Iranian] patrol craft at one point encircled the Maersk Kensington, and eventually followed the ship as it continued on its course. The [Iranian] units eventually withdrew from the area," the official said.

    Guess that defines, "seizure?" Another ship, plural. multiple, guess those Iranians have to be stopped? Ronny and Bonzo always said, "nuke 'em 'till they glow."
    Oh. So encircling and harrassing isn't enough for you to count as a "seizure". See how this works is one week Iran encircles a ship and tests for a response. When they see no response the next week they push a little further and seize a ship. This is Iran being intentionally belligerent and the US has correctly responded by sending the navy to protect the Marshall Islands and the shipping lanes. Does that mean go to war? Again no. What it means is that you should stop being naive during these negotiations.
    I'm with you on this one, BS. A country that is seeking a legitimized nuclear program ought not to be acting so antagonistically when the aggression is so unfounded (i.e. circling ships at the borders of Iranian waters, on the international side), and the decision of said legitimacy is out of their hands. It almost feels like an attempt to have America spearhead a withdrawal from the condoning of an Iranian nuclear program, so that the Western world can be blamed for the continued illegitimacy of the program (which, with enough antagonistic behaviour, Obama will view as an obligation on America's behalf).

    I personally don't believe Iran has a death wish (something which, a country in Iran's position would need to actually launch a nuclear weapon against one of its two main rivals), but I don't think naivety has any place surrounding nuclear programs. This being said, I think one would be naive to suspect that the Obama administration hasn't recognized this as well, and considered all possible outcomes of this deal thoroughly.
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  • badbrains
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    Do you guys actually think if Iran seized a U.S. cargo ship or anything remotely like that, that they'd sit and do nothing? We're talking about a country drooling at the thought of a war with Iran because our #1 ally has a hard on to drop bombs on another Arab country. Do honestly think they'd sit and do nothing like they are now? Come on, let's be real here. Not fantasy island
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    badbrains said:

    Do you guys actually think if Iran seized a U.S. cargo ship or anything remotely like that, that they'd sit and do nothing? We're talking about a country drooling at the thought of a war with Iran because our #1 ally has a hard on to drop bombs on another Arab country. Do honestly think they'd sit and do nothing like they are now? Come on, let's be real here. Not fantasy island

    Nart, I think intent needs to be defined to assuage concerns on this topic. Clarification is needed on whether or not this was a seizure of a ship, or whether the ship was within Iranian waters.

    Within Iranian waters, a short detainment of said ship would be understandable.

    If it was indeed a seizure, the reasons I can think of would involve testing limits and gauging what will result in international retaliation as a form of provocation of aggression, or anarchistic behaviour for anarchistic behaviour's sake (unlikely, but some here might believe that to be the case).

    America and Iran are both gorillas pounding their chests, and I fear that one will pounce and these conversations on nuclear checks and balances will dissipate.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited May 2015
    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    Do you guys actually think if Iran seized a U.S. cargo ship or anything remotely like that, that they'd sit and do nothing? We're talking about a country drooling at the thought of a war with Iran because our #1 ally has a hard on to drop bombs on another Arab country. Do honestly think they'd sit and do nothing like they are now? Come on, let's be real here. Not fantasy island

    Nart, I think intent needs to be defined to assuage concerns on this topic. Clarification is needed on whether or not this was a seizure of a ship, or whether the ship was within Iranian waters.

    Within Iranian waters, a short detainment of said ship would be understandable.

    If it was indeed a seizure, the reasons I can think of would involve testing limits and gauging what will result in international retaliation as a form of provocation of aggression, or anarchistic behaviour for anarchistic behaviour's sake (unlikely, but some here might believe that to be the case).

    America and Iran are both gorillas pounding their chests, and I fear that one will pounce and these conversations on nuclear checks and balances will dissipate.
    Thought about this prior to this post but would say gorilla and chimp pounding their chests.

    Think we forget that Iran is in the weaker position hence reason for their decisions and actions.

    As to threat, I have no concern Iran is a threat to me, my family or really the US.

    Also on treaty I'll go back to isolation doesn't work. Never has. The more trade and cross cultural encounters we have the better. The more rich Iranians come to the US and Europe the better.

    War mongering is silly.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    callen said:

    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    Do you guys actually think if Iran seized a U.S. cargo ship or anything remotely like that, that they'd sit and do nothing? We're talking about a country drooling at the thought of a war with Iran because our #1 ally has a hard on to drop bombs on another Arab country. Do honestly think they'd sit and do nothing like they are now? Come on, let's be real here. Not fantasy island

    Nart, I think intent needs to be defined to assuage concerns on this topic. Clarification is needed on whether or not this was a seizure of a ship, or whether the ship was within Iranian waters.

    Within Iranian waters, a short detainment of said ship would be understandable.

    If it was indeed a seizure, the reasons I can think of would involve testing limits and gauging what will result in international retaliation as a form of provocation of aggression, or anarchistic behaviour for anarchistic behaviour's sake (unlikely, but some here might believe that to be the case).

    America and Iran are both gorillas pounding their chests, and I fear that one will pounce and these conversations on nuclear checks and balances will dissipate.
    Thought about this prior to this post but would say gorilla and chimp pounding their chests.

    Think we forget that Iran is in the weaker position hence reason for their decisions and actions.

    As to threat, I have no concern Iran is a threat to me, my family or really the US.

    Also on treaty I'll go back to isolation doesn't work. Never has. The more trade and cross cultural encounters we have the better. The more rich Iranians come to the US and Europe the better.

    War mongering is silly.
    Agree with you on all of this - and you're right that the USA have the higher ground in this scenario.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    According to the Iranians, via CNN, the ship they escorted to their port is involved in some kind of legal dispute.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/29/politics/iran-mohammad-zarif-ships/index.html

    Read through the article to get an articulated statement from the Iranians regarding where the deal stands. Its hardly dead and the naval actions are hardly the result of rogue Revolutionary Guards. Zarif wouldn't say what he said if he didn't have the blessing of the Ayatollha.

    What's more egregious, circling ships in the Straight of Hormuz and escorting a ship to port because of a "legal" dispute or shooting down a passenger jet in recognized civilian airspace?

    Zarif called the agreement taking shape between Iran and the six world powers known collectively as the P5+1 "a good agreement."

    "It's not a perfect agreement," he acknowledged. "It's not perfect for us, it's not perfect for the United States, it's not perfect for our European Union partners."

    "But," he said, "it's the best we can get. It's the best anybody can get, and it's balanced in my view."

    Zarif made these comments while in the U.S. for a ministerial conference at the United Nations on nuclear proliferation issues. The foreign minister also met Monday with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on the sidelines of that conference to discuss the next steps in the nuclear negotiations.

    "There will be meetings this week in New York at the expert level among the P5+1 members, the EU and Iran," a State Department official confirmed to CNN, "taking advantage of the presence of many of these experts in NY for the [Nuclear Proliferation Treaty] review conference."

    "We don't have any other upcoming travel or meetings to announce today," the official added, "but you can expect that we will have a robust schedule of negotiations between now and June 30th."

    The P5+1 and Iran reached a framework political understanding earlier this month in Lausanne, Switzerland, but significant obstacles remain in their efforts to reach a full agreement by the end of June.

    In particular, the two sides have differing demands on the pace of sanctions relief and access for international nuclear inspectors.

    Also at issue is whether sanctions against Iran can be quickly reinstated with a so-called "snapback" provision if Iran is found to be in violation of the deal's terms.

    READ: Rubio, Kirk: No nuclear deal unless Iran releases reporter

    The final agreement will include this provision, Zarif said, but it's a measure that works both ways.

    "We didn't do this in order to simply snap back," he said. "But we have a reciprocal procedure -- unfortunately because of the mutual lack of confidence that exists -- so that if each side believes that the other side is not living up to its commitment, it can, after completing certain procedures, revert back."

    The provision, Zarif said, is beneficial for Iran because the U.S. has violated previous obligations to Iran under a provisional agreement by instituting new unilateral sanctions.

    The U.S. has put new unilateral sanctions in place on Iranian officials since signing the provisional document. America, though, doesn't consider these a violation but rather enforcement of sanctions that are still in place.

    "If people are worried about snapback, they should be worried about the U.S. violating is obligation, and us snapping back," he warned.
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