Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt
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Iran just seized a US vessel.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-seizes-cargo-ship-u-s-officials-say-n349681
Time to sign that deal.
Edit - New reports now say the ship is Danish. No Americans involved.Post edited by BS44325 on0 -
And??? I read the cargo ship was IN Iranian waters. You really want to get into this and have me show your hypocrisy when it comes to your selective amnesia? That article was 2 paragraphs long and said nothing except the vessel was IN Iranian waters and they boarded the ship. Pretty standard procedure EVERY country prob follows. At least they didn't board the ship and start shooting, ahem. Know what I mean there mr selective amnesia?BS44325 said:Iran just seized a US vessel.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-seizes-cargo-ship-u-s-officials-say-n349681
Time to sign that deal.
Edit - New reports now say the ship is Danish. No Americans involved.0 -
Whether the boat was in Iranian international waters was in dispute...Reuters had it as international and as an American Vessel initially.badbrains said:
And??? I read the cargo ship was IN Iranian waters. You really want to get into this and have me show your hypocrisy when it comes to your selective amnesia? That article was 2 paragraphs long and said nothing except the vessel was IN Iranian waters and they boarded the ship. Pretty standard procedure EVERY country prob follows. At least they didn't board the ship and start shooting, ahem. Know what I mean there mr selective amnesia?BS44325 said:Iran just seized a US vessel.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-seizes-cargo-ship-u-s-officials-say-n349681
Time to sign that deal.
Edit - New reports now say the ship is Danish. No Americans involved.
I also absolutely remember the incident you were talking about. It doesn't change anything. The intent of that ship was to actually reach land.0 -
Here's some more detail on the incident:
"Omri Ceren provides this email update on today’s developments in the Persian Gulf, reported in this brief Reuters story:
It’s been a busy two hours, but some clarity is starting to emerge about the Iranian seizure of a cargo vessel in the Strait of Hormuz. The vessel is the M/V Maersk Tigris and sails under a Marshall Islands flag. It was intercepted by Iranian navy patrol crafts earlier today and sent a distress call, and which point it was contacted by US naval assets who streamed to the area to monitor the confrontation. The vessel was ordered to sail into Iranian waters and refused, at which point the Iranians fired shots across her bow, and the master complied. It’s now in the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas.
There is a dispute over whether the M/V Maersk Tigris was in international waters when it was initially intercepted. The Pentagon seems to have told journalists this morning that it was transiting through Iranian territorial waters. Defense analysts are posting maps showing otherwise (
A few things you’re likely to be hearing as the afternoon kicks off:
(1) The U.S. is treaty-bound to defend the security of the Marshall Islands. To what extent will the US be obligated to act in response to functionally unspinnable Iranian aggression? Keep in mind that in two weeks the President will be personally in a room floating security assurances to the Gulf, promising that the U.S. will protect them from future Iranian aggression.
The Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) is a sovereign nation. While the government is free to conduct its own foreign relations, it does so under the terms of the Compact. The United States has full authority and responsibility for security and defense of the Marshall Islands, and the Government of the Marshall Islands is obligated to refrain from taking actions that would be incompatible with these security and defense responsibilities. (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/26551.htm)
(2) The administration just wrapped up a week of insisting that under no circumstances would it allow Iran to interfere with shipping in the area. It’s unclear how that can be reconciled with what the Iranians just did.
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest, April 21: “principal goal of this operation is to maintain freedom of navigation and free flow of commerce in the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea… would send a clear signal about our continued insistence about the free flow of commerce and the freedom of movement in the region… this is a clear statement about our commitment to ensuring the free flow of commerce in this important region of the world” (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/04/21/press-briefing-press-secretary-josh-earnest-4212015)
State Department Spokesperson Marie Harf, April 21: “I think the Defense Department may have already addressed this in their briefing today, but there were reports about these U.S. ships that have been moved. And I want to be very clear, just so no one has the wrong impression, that they are not there to intercept Iranian ships, to do issues like that; that the purpose of moving them is only to ensure the shipping lanes remain open and safe. I think there was some misreporting and confusion on this, and I just wanted to be very clear.” (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2015/04/240950.htm)
Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren, April 21: “[U.S. warships] are operating [in the Arabian Sea] with a very clear mission to ensure that shipping lanes remain open, to ensure there’s freedom of navigation through those critical waterways, and to help ensure maritime security…By having U.S. ships in the region, we…preserve options should the security situation deteriorate to the point where there is a problem or a threat to freedom of navigation or to the shipping lanes or to overall maritime security.” (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=128634)
(3) What the hell are the Iranians doing playing chicken with the U.S. Navy on the same day that the full Senate takes up debate on Corker-Menendez? Business Insider’s national security and military editor Armin Rosen had one of the early lines on this:
Whatever else is going on, IRGCN just baited a Burke-class US destroyer into a confrontation in the world’s busiest oil chokepoint"0 -
Well, I think not only in the US there is some resistance against this deal... Some people in Iran seem to have some resistance as well, and what better way of showing it then doing the exact thing the US is has been talking about for the whole last week?
I think it's a mistake to think, Iran acts and thinks as one, it not a democracy as we know it, but their are differences in opinion. If your voice isn't heard, apparently people think it's time for some action... If this is the way to prevent this deal from happening, we give them exactly what they are aiming for...Post edited by Aafke on
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I don't disagree with you but an action such as this comes straight from the top. The Marshall Islands is essentially a U.S. protectorate and the Iranian regime is testing American military resolve right now. Pretty smart tactic on their part actually...hassle some ships that are not officially American yet see how the US responds.Aafke said:Well, I think not only in the US there is some resistance against this deal... Some people in Iran seem to have some resistance as well, and what better way of showing it then doing the exact thing the US is has been talking about for the whole last week?
I think it's a mistake to think, Iran acts and thinks as one, it not a democracy as we know it, but their are differences in opinion. If your voice isn't heard, apparently people think it's time for some action... If this is the way to prevent this deal from happening, we give them exactly what they are aiming for...0 -
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Or the USs Liberty?Halifax2TheMax said:Can you say, "Gulf of Tonkin?"
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Yea, the USS Liberty was some nasty shit but what was happening on Palestinian occupied land was way nastier. Way. And to think they have never formally apologized for either war crime.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You should see who was in charge of that investigation. You can't make this shit up hahaha.Halifax2TheMax said:Yea, the USS Liberty was some nasty shit but what was happening on Palestinian occupied land was way nastier. Way. And to think they have never formally apologized for either war crime.
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How do you know for sure it comes straight from the top? In my opinion it's your assumption which you present as fact. It doesn't make the action these people took, any better. I agree with you that it's a smart strategy, to test how far they can go before the U.S. intervenes...BS44325 said:
I don't disagree with you but an action such as this comes straight from the top. The Marshall Islands is essentially a U.S. protectorate and the Iranian regime is testing American military resolve right now. Pretty smart tactic on their part actually...hassle some ships that are not officially American yet see how the US responds.Aafke said:Well, I think not only in the US there is some resistance against this deal... Some people in Iran seem to have some resistance as well, and what better way of showing it then doing the exact thing the US is has been talking about for the whole last week?
I think it's a mistake to think, Iran acts and thinks as one, it not a democracy as we know it, but their are differences in opinion. If your voice isn't heard, apparently people think it's time for some action... If this is the way to prevent this deal from happening, we give them exactly what they are aiming for...Post edited by Aafke on
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
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Okay people, WTF is this...? A pissing contest? Israel has done some nasty stuff, so it's Okay for Iran, to behave with the same bad attitude? I don't think so... If we follow that path, I think, BS will be sooner right than he wants to... War will be inevitable. You can't accuse one side of bulling, and when the other side does the same things, ignore them, and only point fingers at the proclaimed bully. Saying they did much worse things. This will drive the two bullies further apart, it becomes a game of who's right and who's wrong, and there are no winners in that game... What happened with this ship is not the smartest thing Iran could have done, if they want to continue this deal, admit it.badbrains said:
Or the USs Liberty?Halifax2TheMax said:Can you say, "Gulf of Tonkin?"
I can only hope this will not be the end of the deal...Post edited by Aafke on
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
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Again you are right...I do not know for sure. There is always the possibility that it is an Iranian naval ship acting on its own but in general the Iranian revolutionary guard is in charge of these sort of actions and they get their orders from the regime. Updated reports now say the ship was international waters and that it appears the Iranians are trying to test naval response. This is no gulf of tonkin.Aafke said:
How do you know for sure it comes straight from the top? In my opinion it's your assumption which you present as fact. It doesn't make the action these people took, any better. I agree with you that it's a smart strategy, to test how far they can go before the U.S. intervenes...BS44325 said:
I don't disagree with you but an action such as this comes straight from the top. The Marshall Islands is essentially a U.S. protectorate and the Iranian regime is testing American military resolve right now. Pretty smart tactic on their part actually...hassle some ships that are not officially American yet see how the US responds.Aafke said:Well, I think not only in the US there is some resistance against this deal... Some people in Iran seem to have some resistance as well, and what better way of showing it then doing the exact thing the US is has been talking about for the whole last week?
I think it's a mistake to think, Iran acts and thinks as one, it not a democracy as we know it, but their are differences in opinion. If your voice isn't heard, apparently people think it's time for some action... If this is the way to prevent this deal from happening, we give them exactly what they are aiming for...0 -
Its also not a reason to go to war with Iran. Let me know when the Canadian Navy will sail to the rescue.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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No, it not a good reason to start a war... But give me any reason that is....
War... what is it good for? absolutely Nothing!...
Sounds familiar? I do, strongly, believe in these words, but I'm only willing to fight for them with words...Post edited by Aafke on
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0 -
It's interesting because throughout history, even those who are eager for war are loathe to admit they started it. It was always the other guy in some way, form or fashion.Aafke said:No, it not a good reason to start a war... But give me any reason that is....
War... what is it good for? absolutely Nothing!...
Sounds familiar? I do, strongly, believe in these words, but I'm only willing to fight for them with words...
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Logical thinking... Nobody wants to be known as an aggressor, makes friends and allies much more difficult to keep.JimmyV said:
It's interesting because throughout history, even those who are eager for war are loathe to admit they started it. It was always the other guy in some way, form or fashion.Aafke said:No, it not a good reason to start a war... But give me any reason that is....
War... what is it good for? absolutely Nothing!...
Sounds familiar? I do, strongly, believe in these words, but I'm only willing to fight for them with words...
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"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
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Who said it's a reason to go to war? It's also not a reason to be niave about Iranian intentions. And as far as Canada is concerned we've got people in harms way in Iraq right now...I'm sure are Navy is out there as well.Halifax2TheMax said:Its also not a reason to go to war with Iran. Let me know when the Canadian Navy will sail to the rescue.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/tag/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/within-shouting-distance-of-isil-755418&pubdate=2015-04-29&t=iraq
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What does Iraq have to do with the topic of this thread? I'm sure the Canadian navy is, "out there as well." Maybe the Bay of Fundy? The Gulf of Siam? Port of call at Subic Bay perhaps? No, you didn't call for a war, yet, but the speed with which you posted the news article about the "Iranians seizing a US ship" sure makes it seem that you wouldn't mind a war with Iran. Have we reached the point of no return yet?Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Again, if Obama seals this deal, it will be the equivalent of having a royal flush at the World Poker Tour Main Event final table and folding to a guy who has an off-suit 2,9.
This will be his legacy (as well as a healthcare system named after him, penned by the blue-eyed devil, Mitt Romney).Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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