Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?

It’s a Pearl Jam forum knucklehead lmao

uh, and how is that relevant? we aren't talking about their music here, (insert childish name-calling here)

again, do you formulate all your opinions based on what you think the band would think? and you call other people sheep?

Again, to some of us it isn’t sharing a political view with the band but more of a shared belief how we should treat each other.

Are you saying Pearl Jam doesn’t think this is Condition Critical?

seems like PJ might be about to take a pretty bold step on this topic.

there's a big difference between having a shared world view with them and and just blindly following theirs. I don't know if the latter is actually the case, but that's what it sounded like.

Of course it did because you just wanted to argue about something else trivial I posted. It’s laughable.

I don't even know what the hell you are blathering about now.

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

Critical

Zzzzzzzz.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

no, you said he was 100% to blame for the plane being shot down. I said he is to blame for starting the escalation that lead to the iranians shooting it down accidentally. that is not the same thing.

mcgruff10 · January 2020

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

1ThoughtKnown · January 2020

cincybearcat said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

Is Iran to blame at all?

Trump first escalated this mess for sure, owns some responsibility but a small amount for this specific incident (in my opinion).

I just don’t know... Trump attacked a foreigner on foreign soil. Is that Iran’s fault? Soldiers “trigger happy” because they don’t know what he will do next? Is that Iran’s fault... not so sure.

Im convinced it’s Trumps mess. The whole thing is self-preservation. He doesn’t care about anything but winning. The nation, NATO allies, soldiers lives, innocent civilians lives... none of it matters to him.

I have no doubt he attacked just to secure Republican Senate votes to avoid getting turfed from that earlier post. Makes perfect sense really, he wouldn’t have any reason to do it otherwise. Think about it, it came out of nowhere!

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

Is Iran to blame at all?

Trump first escalated this mess for sure, owns some responsibility but a small amount for this specific incident (in my opinion).

I just don’t know... Trump attacked a foreigner on foreign soil. Is that Iran’s fault? Soldiers “trigger happy” because they don’t know what he will do next? Is that Iran’s fault... not so sure.
Im convinced it’s Trumps mess. The whole thing is self-preservation. He doesn’t care about anything but winning. The nation, NATO allies, soldiers lives, innocent civilians lives... none of it matters to him.
I have no doubt he attacked just to secure Republican Senate votes to avoid getting turfed from that earlier post. Makes perfect sense really, he wouldn’t have any reason to do it otherwise. Think about it, it came out of nowhere!

this I would imagine most of us agree on.

cincybearcat · January 2020

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

Is Iran to blame at all?

Trump first escalated this mess for sure, owns some responsibility but a small amount for this specific incident (in my opinion).

I just don’t know... Trump attacked a foreigner on foreign soil. Is that Iran’s fault? Soldiers “trigger happy” because they don’t know what he will do next? Is that Iran’s fault... not so sure.
Im convinced it’s Trumps mess. The whole thing is self-preservation. He doesn’t care about anything but winning. The nation, NATO allies, soldiers lives, innocent civilians lives... none of it matters to him.
I have no doubt he attacked just to secure Republican Senate votes to avoid getting turfed from that earlier post. Makes perfect sense really, he wouldn’t have any reason to do it otherwise. Think about it, it came out of nowhere!

Trumps initial action is for sure all on him.

mrussel1 · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

no, you said he was 100% to blame for the plane being shot down. I said he is to blame for starting the escalation that lead to the iranians shooting it down accidentally. that is not the same thing.

I understand. So you're saying you're moving to Michigan to vote for Trump. Got it.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

no, you said he was 100% to blame for the plane being shot down. I said he is to blame for starting the escalation that lead to the iranians shooting it down accidentally. that is not the same thing.

I understand. So you're saying you're moving to Michigan to vote for Trump. Got it.

LOL

1ThoughtKnown · January 2020

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

None of it would have happened had Trump not ordered a hit like some deranged mob boss on an Iranian official to secure votes in the Senate to save his ass from getting turfed.

Hopefully you vote with your conscience bud. I don’t think I could possibly despise a human being more than that scumbag Trump. He is an embarrassment, and as a US citizen you should know the entire world laughs at this twit.

But unfortunately it’s not funny anymore. His recklessness is costing lives. It’s real now.. and he’s gotta go before the damage is unrepairable.

1ThoughtKnown · January 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

Is Iran to blame at all?

Trump first escalated this mess for sure, owns some responsibility but a small amount for this specific incident (in my opinion).

I just don’t know... Trump attacked a foreigner on foreign soil. Is that Iran’s fault? Soldiers “trigger happy” because they don’t know what he will do next? Is that Iran’s fault... not so sure.
Im convinced it’s Trumps mess. The whole thing is self-preservation. He doesn’t care about anything but winning. The nation, NATO allies, soldiers lives, innocent civilians lives... none of it matters to him.
I have no doubt he attacked just to secure Republican Senate votes to avoid getting turfed from that earlier post. Makes perfect sense really, he wouldn’t have any reason to do it otherwise. Think about it, it came out of nowhere!

this I would imagine most of us agree on.

Fair enough. Sorry for getting too fired up. I’m really frightened and pissed off. I went back to my visit to Birkenau after the Krakow show last year and the feeling of dread I had that everything I value and treasure is being led by the village idiot who is in the back pocket of pure evil (Putin).
Also, I cannot put into words the grief I feel for your friend. I am holding back tears as I type this... it should never have happened and I hold Trump 100% responsible. It’s of little solace to you and your friend I know, but he has to be stopped or there will be more.... many more.

The War Pigs are circling him... and it’s worrisome

mcgruff10 · January 2020

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

None of it would have happened had Trump not ordered a hit like some deranged mob boss on an Iranian official to secure votes in the Senate to save his ass from getting turfed.
Hopefully you vote with your conscience bud. I don’t think I could possibly despise a human being more than that scumbag Trump. He is an embarrassment, and as a US citizen you should know the entire world laughs at this twit.
But unfortunately it’s not funny anymore. His recklessness is costing lives. It’s real now.. and he’s gotta go before the damage is unrepairable.

I'm not a trump fan at all but I do try to give credit where credit is due and place blame on the guilty party. I didn't vote for him last election and will not in the next one either. (fingers crossed sanders or warren don't get the nom, then I am going third party.)

1ThoughtKnown · January 2020

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

None of it would have happened had Trump not ordered a hit like some deranged mob boss on an Iranian official to secure votes in the Senate to save his ass from getting turfed.
Hopefully you vote with your conscience bud. I don’t think I could possibly despise a human being more than that scumbag Trump. He is an embarrassment, and as a US citizen you should know the entire world laughs at this twit.
But unfortunately it’s not funny anymore. His recklessness is costing lives. It’s real now.. and he’s gotta go before the damage is unrepairable.

I'm not a trump fan at all but I do try to give credit where credit is due and place blame on the guilty party. I didn't vote for him last election and will not in the next one either. (fingers crossed sanders or warren don't get the nom, then I am going third party.)

Sander and Warren too “socialist” for you? You know, if they got in you would just be more like capitalist nations with a conscience like Canada, Denmark, Sweden, UK,Germany, Switzerland, Australia, France, NZ, Chile, etc.

You know a social safety net, medicare and gun control really isn’t that bad.

HughFreakingDillon · January 2020

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

cincybearcat said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

Is Iran to blame at all?

Trump first escalated this mess for sure, owns some responsibility but a small amount for this specific incident (in my opinion).

I just don’t know... Trump attacked a foreigner on foreign soil. Is that Iran’s fault? Soldiers “trigger happy” because they don’t know what he will do next? Is that Iran’s fault... not so sure.
Im convinced it’s Trumps mess. The whole thing is self-preservation. He doesn’t care about anything but winning. The nation, NATO allies, soldiers lives, innocent civilians lives... none of it matters to him.
I have no doubt he attacked just to secure Republican Senate votes to avoid getting turfed from that earlier post. Makes perfect sense really, he wouldn’t have any reason to do it otherwise. Think about it, it came out of nowhere!

this I would imagine most of us agree on.

Fair enough. Sorry for getting too fired up. I’m really frightened and pissed off. I went back to my visit to Birkenau after the Krakow show last year and the feeling of dread I had that everything I value and treasure is being led by the village idiot who is in the back pocket of pure evil (Putin).
Also, I cannot put into words the grief I feel for your friend. I am holding back tears as I type this... it should never have happened and I hold Trump 100% responsible. It’s of little solace to you and your friend I know, but he has to be stopped or there will be more.... many more.
The War Pigs are circling him... and it’s worrisome

it was thought by many that this would be the year trump would try to start something, depending how impeachment and his poll numbers went. it was to be completely expected. but I don't think we need to build the bunker just yet. I went crazy when he was first elected, thinking this was going to be the end of the planet as we know it. it seems some have gone back to that fear based thinking. Do I have confidence in the checks and balances of the US government to reign in the POTUS? not anymore. But while I think he's a self-service POS, I don't think he's going to bring us WW3.

But I do have confidence in other world leaders to not jump on board with his bullshit. I know Trudeau won't, anyway.

Lerxst1992 · January 2020

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

None of it would have happened had Trump not ordered a hit like some deranged mob boss on an Iranian official to secure votes in the Senate to save his ass from getting turfed.
Hopefully you vote with your conscience bud. I don’t think I could possibly despise a human being more than that scumbag Trump. He is an embarrassment, and as a US citizen you should know the entire world laughs at this twit.
But unfortunately it’s not funny anymore. His recklessness is costing lives. It’s real now.. and he’s gotta go before the damage is unrepairable.

I'm not a trump fan at all but I do try to give credit where credit is due and place blame on the guilty party. I didn't vote for him last election and will not in the next one either. (fingers crossed sanders or warren don't get the nom, then I am going third party.)

But do you let kids play with matches?

Because that is the republican crime of our generations.

mcgruff10 · January 2020

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

None of it would have happened had Trump not ordered a hit like some deranged mob boss on an Iranian official to secure votes in the Senate to save his ass from getting turfed.
Hopefully you vote with your conscience bud. I don’t think I could possibly despise a human being more than that scumbag Trump. He is an embarrassment, and as a US citizen you should know the entire world laughs at this twit.
But unfortunately it’s not funny anymore. His recklessness is costing lives. It’s real now.. and he’s gotta go before the damage is unrepairable.

I'm not a trump fan at all but I do try to give credit where credit is due and place blame on the guilty party. I didn't vote for him last election and will not in the next one either. (fingers crossed sanders or warren don't get the nom, then I am going third party.)

Sander and Warren too “socialist” for you? You know, if they got in you would just be more like capitalist nations with a conscience like Canada, Denmark, Sweden, UK,Germany, Switzerland, Australia, France, NZ, Chile, etc.
You know a social safety net, medicare and gun control really isn’t that bad.

Correct, Sanders and Warren are way to left for me. I'm pretty much center left, but let's not have that discussion here.

brianlux · January 2020

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

None of it would have happened had Trump not ordered a hit like some deranged mob boss on an Iranian official to secure votes in the Senate to save his ass from getting turfed.
Hopefully you vote with your conscience bud. I don’t think I could possibly despise a human being more than that scumbag Trump. He is an embarrassment, and as a US citizen you should know the entire world laughs at this twit.
But unfortunately it’s not funny anymore. His recklessness is costing lives. It’s real now.. and he’s gotta go before the damage is unrepairable.

I'm not a trump fan at all but I do try to give credit where credit is due and place blame on the guilty party. I didn't vote for him last election and will not in the next one either. (fingers crossed sanders or warren don't get the nom, then I am going third party.)

Sander and Warren too “socialist” for you? You know, if they got in you would just be more like capitalist nations with a conscience like Canada, Denmark, Sweden, UK,Germany, Switzerland, Australia, France, NZ, Chile, etc.
You know a social safety net, medicare and gun control really isn’t that bad.

Correct, Sanders and Warren are way to left for me. I'm pretty much center left, but let's not have that discussion here.

I wouldn't worry about either of them being way to left. For one things, many of the things they propose would get shot down by the senate or watered down enough to be satisfactory for those who are moderates. Secondly, I think we would be a lot better off with a president that was relatively far to the left than one that is verifiable off his rocker and dangerous as hell.

1ThoughtKnown · January 2020

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

None of it would have happened had Trump not ordered a hit like some deranged mob boss on an Iranian official to secure votes in the Senate to save his ass from getting turfed.
Hopefully you vote with your conscience bud. I don’t think I could possibly despise a human being more than that scumbag Trump. He is an embarrassment, and as a US citizen you should know the entire world laughs at this twit.
But unfortunately it’s not funny anymore. His recklessness is costing lives. It’s real now.. and he’s gotta go before the damage is unrepairable.

I'm not a trump fan at all but I do try to give credit where credit is due and place blame on the guilty party. I didn't vote for him last election and will not in the next one either. (fingers crossed sanders or warren don't get the nom, then I am going third party.)

Sander and Warren too “socialist” for you? You know, if they got in you would just be more like capitalist nations with a conscience like Canada, Denmark, Sweden, UK,Germany, Switzerland, Australia, France, NZ, Chile, etc.
You know a social safety net, medicare and gun control really isn’t that bad.

Correct, Sanders and Warren are way to left for me. I'm pretty much center left, but let's not have that discussion here.

Fair enough... but I encourage you to jump in. The water is fine.

You are right though, off topic.

1ThoughtKnown · January 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

mcgruff10 said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess.

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that.

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap.

I could see your side if the plane was inbound, but it was an outbound plane. If in fact Iran did accidentally shoot an outbound plane down then that is a 100% on them and no one else.

None of it would have happened had Trump not ordered a hit like some deranged mob boss on an Iranian official to secure votes in the Senate to save his ass from getting turfed.
Hopefully you vote with your conscience bud. I don’t think I could possibly despise a human being more than that scumbag Trump. He is an embarrassment, and as a US citizen you should know the entire world laughs at this twit.
But unfortunately it’s not funny anymore. His recklessness is costing lives. It’s real now.. and he’s gotta go before the damage is unrepairable.

I'm not a trump fan at all but I do try to give credit where credit is due and place blame on the guilty party. I didn't vote for him last election and will not in the next one either. (fingers crossed sanders or warren don't get the nom, then I am going third party.)

But do you let kids play with matches?

Because that is the republican crime of our generations.

Yup.

DarthMaeglin · January 2020

I'm a bit surprised this one hasn't been brought up yet as a prior example Trump may have been drawing on with the Soleimani strike.

Remember when Bill Clinton was a couple days away from testifying in his impeachment and suddenly decided it was time to launch airstrikes in Serbia (I believe?)? This is hardly a new play, though with unintended consequences this time.

I'm honestly baffled that the Iranian radar didn't identify the plane as a commercial airliner versus a warplane. I suspect there was a breakdown in the command structure, but that's pure speculation. Someone CHOSE to pull the trigger, with or without authorization, and I'm not trusting a word from the Iranian government at the moment, sorry.

Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

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