Iran Deal, the reset..... and halt

pjl44

mrussel1 said:

mickeyrat said:

  Head of Iran's civil aviation says 'it is absolutely impossible' for Tehran to have shot down airliner.
https://aje.io/kvj7p

It does seem like they are telling everyone to call their bluff.  I don't see how they could cover up something like that, if it happened.  There will be shrapnel damage and you would think the black box has the chatter of the pilots.  Everyday is yet another bizarre twist.  The Trump presidency just brings out the lunacy in everyone.  

I'd argue that there was no shortage of lunacy before, but he certainly adds more lunacy

pjl44

And regardless of how you feel about Trudeau as a leader, that's a solid beard. Why did he grow it? Blackface deterrent?

cincybearcat

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

DarthMaeglin said:

I’ve figured out the peace angle to this, perhaps one of the legal minds here sympathetic to the cause will donate their time and expertise.

Organize the families of the victims for a class action lawsuit, naming Trump (set the stage), Putin (sold the gun) and Iran (pulled the trigger). Get those three on the same side of the table and maybe a common viewpoint can be found (such as “They won’t get my/our money!”).

For what it’s worth I don’t blame Trump for the airliner being shot down, if anyone it’s Iran’s civil aviation authorities for not grounding all civilian flights that night.

Watching coverage by our (Canada’s) state broadcaster now and they REALLY want to let Iran off the hook with the “accidental” aspect while hammering away at Trump creating the circumstances.

It was also hilarious (to me) when Rosemary “Giggles” Barton felt it necessary to ask about Trudeau’s personal feelings on this (while another CBC reporter worked to get our PM to blame Trump. I’m no Trudeau fan, but I’ll give him credit for not taking the bait.).

Get Trudeau a razor too. He looks ridiculous with that beard. But he still isn’t the stupidest looking leader in North America.

Looks ridiculous? 



If that handsome man in a normal looking beard look ridiculous to you, then please tell what planet your are getting your appearance expectations from. 

From Duck Dynasty.  

Just thought it was a weird look for him and seems like he did so to appear older...seemed like a political move. Mostly just busting Justin's balls and not serious.  

pjl44

Wall Street Journal article from last night....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195

josevolution

Beard who cares damn so now we have fashion police on here lol , please tell me you believe our supreme leader on anything that pertains to Iran and also believe everything he says about Saudi Arabia!

Ledbetterman10

pjl44 said:

Wall Street Journal article from last night....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195

I don't buy that. I think it's all a distraction technique perpetrated by Trump. He's just throwing the GOP senators under the bus because of course he is. They're going to support him in the impeachment trial no matter what. 

HughFreakingDillon

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense. 

is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense. 

Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency. 

 I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore.  Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down. 

HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY PREDICTED TRUMP WOULD WIN SO HE CLEARLY DOESN'T NEED TO LISTEN TO THE REST OF Y'ALL'S OPINIONS. 
    -this has been a public service announcement brought to you by HFD

I don’t need to listen to YOUR opinion. But one of the Trumpster sheeple would twist everything I was posting and of course once again take one little piece of it out of context and write some inane comment. 

PSA from 1TK

of course you don't. you keep saying my opinion doesn't matter. and that's fine if that's what you think. but then why keep replying? no one's holding a gun to your head. 

for the record: i don't believe there are any of trump's people in this thread at the moment. just people with opposing views attempting to have an adult conversation. not everyone you disagree with is a trump supporter. it blows me away that this keeps having to be said 3 years in. 

Because as always you just have to get the last word in and then hide behind the fact you want to have “an adult conversation”. I already said I came in to vent. Several Canadians died due Trump’s ineptness and lack of empathy.  I blame him for what happened and I can only hope he will be held accountable.  This guy is a buffoon... his decisions are costing people their lives.  

Your initial response was typically smug and while most times I ignore you, as I mentioned earlier, I’ve reached the end of my rope with Trump and I’m fired up. I don’t need anymore evidence to blame him for this and I certainly don’t need anyone to tell me it’s “quite a leap” to blame Trump for it. 

the last word? am I not supposed to respond when people post?

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?

It’s a Pearl Jam forum knucklehead lmao

uh, and how is that relevant? we aren't talking about their music here, (insert childish name-calling here)

again, do you formulate all your opinions based on what you think the band would think? and you call other people sheep?

Again, to some of us it isn’t sharing a political view with the band but more of a shared belief how we should treat each other.

Are you saying Pearl Jam doesn’t think this is Condition Critical?

seems like PJ might be about to take a pretty bold step on this topic. 

there's a big difference between having a shared world view with them and and just blindly following theirs. I don't know if the latter is actually the case, but that's what it sounded like. 

pjl44

Ledbetterman10 said:

pjl44 said:

Wall Street Journal article from last night....

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-new-national-security-team-made-fast-work-of-iran-strike-11578619195

I don't buy that. I think it's all a distraction technique perpetrated by Trump. He's just throwing the GOP senators under the bus because of course he is. They're going to support him in the impeachment trial no matter what. 

I find it believable, but yeah, who knows how true it is. I agree with everything else you said.

HughFreakingDillon

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense. 

is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense. 

Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency. 

 I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore.  Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down. 

HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY PREDICTED TRUMP WOULD WIN SO HE CLEARLY DOESN'T NEED TO LISTEN TO THE REST OF Y'ALL'S OPINIONS. 
    -this has been a public service announcement brought to you by HFD

I don’t need to listen to YOUR opinion. But one of the Trumpster sheeple would twist everything I was posting and of course once again take one little piece of it out of context and write some inane comment. 

PSA from 1TK

of course you don't. you keep saying my opinion doesn't matter. and that's fine if that's what you think. but then why keep replying? no one's holding a gun to your head. 

for the record: i don't believe there are any of trump's people in this thread at the moment. just people with opposing views attempting to have an adult conversation. not everyone you disagree with is a trump supporter. it blows me away that this keeps having to be said 3 years in. 

Because as always you just have to get the last word in and then hide behind the fact you want to have “an adult conversation”. I already said I came in to vent. Several Canadians died due Trump’s ineptness and lack of empathy.  I blame him for what happened and I can only hope he will be held accountable.  This guy is a buffoon... his decisions are costing people their lives.  

Your initial response was typically smug and while most times I ignore you, as I mentioned earlier, I’ve reached the end of my rope with Trump and I’m fired up. I don’t need anymore evidence to blame him for this and I certainly don’t need anyone to tell me it’s “quite a leap” to blame Trump for it. 

the last word? am I not supposed to respond when people post?

There you go again.......

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

having loved ones on the plane doesn't change common sense. 

is it possible? of course, anything is. maybe obama fired the missile from his home in kenya. but it's clearly not the answer that makes the most sense. 

Dude, I told you earlier, your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I’m here to vent about Trump. I’ve paid attention since day one and PREDICTED HE WOULD WIN the presidency. 

 I knew this would be a shitshow... only it isn’t funny anymore.  Peoples lives are at stake, including yours. But if you want to make excuses, you go right ahead. I’m not taking this shit lying down. 

HEY EVERYONE THIS GUY PREDICTED TRUMP WOULD WIN SO HE CLEARLY DOESN'T NEED TO LISTEN TO THE REST OF Y'ALL'S OPINIONS. 
    -this has been a public service announcement brought to you by HFD

I don’t need to listen to YOUR opinion. But one of the Trumpster sheeple would twist everything I was posting and of course once again take one little piece of it out of context and write some inane comment. 

PSA from 1TK

of course you don't. you keep saying my opinion doesn't matter. and that's fine if that's what you think. but then why keep replying? no one's holding a gun to your head. 

for the record: i don't believe there are any of trump's people in this thread at the moment. just people with opposing views attempting to have an adult conversation. not everyone you disagree with is a trump supporter. it blows me away that this keeps having to be said 3 years in. 

Because as always you just have to get the last word in and then hide behind the fact you want to have “an adult conversation”. I already said I came in to vent. Several Canadians died due Trump’s ineptness and lack of empathy.  I blame him for what happened and I can only hope he will be held accountable.  This guy is a buffoon... his decisions are costing people their lives.  

Your initial response was typically smug and while most times I ignore you, as I mentioned earlier, I’ve reached the end of my rope with Trump and I’m fired up. I don’t need anymore evidence to blame him for this and I certainly don’t need anyone to tell me it’s “quite a leap” to blame Trump for it. 

the last word? am I not supposed to respond when people post?

There you go again.......

it's really quite fascinating. people keep responding to my "last word attempts", which to me, means they are actually trying to have the last word, claiming I'm trying to have the last word. it's a fucking ongoing conversation. it's not like I'm trying to get the last comment in before the thread gets locked. "having the last word" in an internet discussion makes absolutely zero sense. 

for the record, i was on the phone last night consoling a friend who knew the two kids from his school division that died in that crash. so yeah, I think many of us are angry and upset at all of this. 

HughFreakingDillon

josevolution said:

Beard who cares damn so now we have fashion police on here lol , please tell me you believe our supreme leader on anything that pertains to Iran and also believe everything he says about Saudi Arabia!

I know you probably aren't on twitter, but it was actually fucking trending the other day. The CBC went so low as to run a fucking story about it. It was embarrassing. 

josevolution

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

HughFreakingDillon

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that. 

cincybearcat

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that. 

Yeah I don't think very many around here ever did.  I get frustrated by this place when you try and talk about 1 specific thing and people keep trying to bring up all the other trump stuff.  And then you make a comment like I did about feeling better after Trump's press conference because I was concerned he would escalate and then some uses that phrasing as some sort of a dis in other threads. 

HughFreakingDillon

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that. 

Yeah I don't think very many around here ever did.  I get frustrated by this place when you try and talk about 1 specific thing and people keep trying to bring up all the other trump stuff.  And then you make a comment like I did about feeling better after Trump's press conference because I was concerned he would escalate and then some uses that phrasing as some sort of a dis in other threads. 

I can definitely understand if you were a right winger and believing that TDS does actually exist. you simply can't not blame him for anything without getting demolished. 

1ThoughtKnown

HughFreakingDillon said:

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

how is the alleged stance by our favourite rock band relevant to this? do your formulate all your opinions based on the teachings of The Almighty Vedder?

It’s a Pearl Jam forum knucklehead lmao

uh, and how is that relevant? we aren't talking about their music here, (insert childish name-calling here)

again, do you formulate all your opinions based on what you think the band would think? and you call other people sheep?

Again, to some of us it isn’t sharing a political view with the band but more of a shared belief how we should treat each other.

Are you saying Pearl Jam doesn’t think this is Condition Critical?

seems like PJ might be about to take a pretty bold step on this topic. 

there's a big difference between having a shared world view with them and and just blindly following theirs. I don't know if the latter is actually the case, but that's what it sounded like. 

Of course it did because you just wanted to argue about something else trivial I posted. It’s laughable.  I said the boys is PJ would blame Trump as well because this is a PJ Forum 😂.
i was saying they would agree with me and I look forward to them calling that pathetic waste of skin out in concert all over the world in 2020! 

Trumpleaguer... make it happen boys 

1ThoughtKnown

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that. 

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap. 

cincybearcat

1ThoughtKnown said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

I wonder.....if after Obama had Bin Laden killed.......what if the US experienced another 9/11 level event as a result? or some type of accident as a result of the heightened tensions/paranoia? would you all have blamed obama? or the ones who perpetrated the attack/made the mistake?

I can take a wild guess. 

I’m not sure since nothing really happened by the killing of binladen was there any retaliation by anyone? I’m blaming the Baffoon’s actions for this mess! He always talks about bringing troops home yet by his decision to kill the general we had to send troops back into harms way! How is that sensible ...If you want peace you have to offer peaceful solutions period ...

i agree 100% that trump started this mess. there is no denying that. 

Wow. That was all I was saying in the beginning. He started this mess and is to blame. And it was a leap. 

Is Iran to blame at all? 

Trump first escalated this mess for sure, owns some responsibility but a small amount for this specific incident (in my opinion).