Layaway section in the shop?

HughFreakingDillon

vzouzal said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Green Disease has nothing to do with consumerism. It is about economic disparity between corportae CEO's and the people that work for them.

Greed is Greed....

then find a different song to quote. because that song has zero to do with the point you are attempting to make.

jlaustin

HughFreakingDillon said:

vzouzal said:

The only reason I think this subject needs dialogue is because the band was so vocal about some of the things they hated, which they now do as well. When someone or something uses their fame to make a point and then without explanation reverses course, don't you feel that deserves calling out?

name one SPECIFIC thing the band spoke out against but now does.

Well they did sing drop the Leash and now they sell dog collars....

vzouzal

before & after incorporation

jamburger

vzouzal said:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/577201414067396608

And you believe that one of the band members posted this... or the person responsible to drive sales into their shop?

vzouzal

jamburger said:

vzouzal said:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/577201414067396608

And you believe that one of the band members posted this... or the person responsible to drive sales into their shop?

I really love the "discover more in the shop" part! Really good salesmanship!

jamburger

vzouzal said:

jamburger said:

vzouzal said:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/577201414067396608

And you believe that one of the band members posted this... or the person responsible to drive sales into their shop?

I really love the "discover more in the shop" part! Really good salesmanship!

Not an answer.

vzouzal

Visa has "priceless", mastercard "there are some things money can't buy,.." Pearl Jam should use discover more in the shop, as it really is the mo lately!

HughFreakingDillon

vzouzal said:

before & after incorporation

as a band gets bigger......they have more to do. more to do means more people to employ. more people to employ means..........you see where I'm going with this? it's really not hard to understand.

all bands are a business. they have been from day 1. whether you sell 3 records or 3 million. and business decisions have to be made. marketing your music has to be done. make no mistake about that.

anyway, we get a thread or two about this every few months, and it always goes nowhere, since the person starting is merely looking for a soapbox and not a real discussion, so let's just call this one, shall we?

I shall end with one final thought: if you truly believe the band goes against their (and it seems, your) social beliefs, doesn't your support of that band make you a hypocrite or a part of the problem?

vzouzal

HughFreakingDillon said:

vzouzal said:

before & after incorporation

as a band gets bigger......they have more to do. more to do means more people to employ. more people to employ means..........you see where I'm going with this? it's really not hard to understand.

all bands are a business. they have been from day 1. whether you sell 3 records or 3 million. and business decisions have to be made. marketing your music has to be done. make no mistake about that.

anyway, we get a thread or two about this every few months, and it always goes nowhere, since the person starting is merely looking for a soapbox and not a real discussion, so let's just call this one, shall we?

I shall end with one final thought: if you truly believe the band goes against their (and it seems, your) social beliefs, doesn't your support of that band make you a hypocrite or a part of the problem?

your like the ultimate voice of reason, very hard to argue your points. I guess I'm struggling with my support or "fandom" and instead of a soapbox, I'm using this forum to gauge wether I should continue supporting what I believe has become more of a corporation (seeking my yearly membership dues and merchandise consumption) and less like band.

PJ_Soul

vzouzal said:

jamburger said:

vzouzal said:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/577201414067396608

And you believe that one of the band members posted this... or the person responsible to drive sales into their shop?

I really love the "discover more in the shop" part! Really good salesmanship!

That's just somebody working at the 10C warehouse who posted that, FYI. The band would have had absolutely nothing to do with that message.

PP193448

Everyone should just chill out... And donate some crazy hyped up merch shit in the RAK thread.

vzouzal

PJ_Soul said:

vzouzal said:

jamburger said:

vzouzal said:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/577201414067396608

And you believe that one of the band members posted this... or the person responsible to drive sales into their shop?

I really love the "discover more in the shop" part! Really good salesmanship!

That's just somebody working at the 10C warehouse who posted that, FYI. The band would have had absolutely nothing to do with that message.

lol, "somebody" in the warehouse has the ability to make posts on their official twitter page? lol! now that is the funniest shit I have ever read!

PJ_Soul

vzouzal said:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U

I am aware of what Eddie said at the Grammys. Eddie has since expressed real regret for doing that btw, and not recently. He said he was in a really pissy mood, was nic'ing out for a smoke, and admitted that was pretty rude of him to do that. Especially since he opted to actually be at the Grammys to accept the award.
Did you see the really nice and gracious acceptance speech from the guy who accepted the most recent Grammy?

PJ_Soul

PP193448 said:

Everyone should just chill out... And donate some crazy hyped up merch shit in the RAK thread.

I think we're all chilled out. We're just discussing this big point that you made...

RP112579

vzouzal said:

PJ_Soul said:

vzouzal said:

jamburger said:

vzouzal said:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/577201414067396608

And you believe that one of the band members posted this... or the person responsible to drive sales into their shop?

I really love the "discover more in the shop" part! Really good salesmanship!

That's just somebody working at the 10C warehouse who posted that, FYI. The band would have had absolutely nothing to do with that message.

lol, "somebody" in the warehouse has the ability to make posts on their official twitter page? lol! now that is the funniest shit I have ever read!

Hold on, you actually think the band members are the ones posting to the social media accounts?????

on2legs

Still patiently waiting for you to offer another band with similar ticket prices.

vzouzal

RP112579 said:

vzouzal said:

PJ_Soul said:

vzouzal said:

jamburger said:

vzouzal said:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/577201414067396608

And you believe that one of the band members posted this... or the person responsible to drive sales into their shop?

I really love the "discover more in the shop" part! Really good salesmanship!

That's just somebody working at the 10C warehouse who posted that, FYI. The band would have had absolutely nothing to do with that message.

lol, "somebody" in the warehouse has the ability to make posts on their official twitter page? lol! now that is the funniest shit I have ever read!

Hold on, you actually think the band members are the ones posting to the social media accounts?????

Did I say that? Obviously not, but it's certainly someone with more authority than "somebody" in the warehouse!

vzouzal

on2legs said:

Still patiently waiting for you to offer another band with similar ticket prices.

http://www.pollstar.com/atpDetail.aspx?SearchBy=A

Aerosmith seems to be about same, I'm sure their are others...

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

vzouzal said:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U

I am aware of what Eddie said at the Grammys. Eddie has since expressed real regret for doing that btw, and not recently. He said he was in a really pissy mood, was nic'ing out for a smoke, and admitted that was pretty rude of him to do that. Especially since he opted to actually be at the Grammys to accept the award.
Did you see the really nice and gracious acceptance speech from the guy who accepted the most recent Grammy?

I didn't know he had since expressed regret. But I did always think it was weird that he made that statement, yet bothered to show up to the show. if you hate awards shows, why go to an awards show?

eddiec

vzouzal said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

vzouzal said:

before & after incorporation

as a band gets bigger......they have more to do. more to do means more people to employ. more people to employ means..........you see where I'm going with this? it's really not hard to understand.

all bands are a business. they have been from day 1. whether you sell 3 records or 3 million. and business decisions have to be made. marketing your music has to be done. make no mistake about that.

anyway, we get a thread or two about this every few months, and it always goes nowhere, since the person starting is merely looking for a soapbox and not a real discussion, so let's just call this one, shall we?

I shall end with one final thought: if you truly believe the band goes against their (and it seems, your) social beliefs, doesn't your support of that band make you a hypocrite or a part of the problem?

your like the ultimate voice of reason, very hard to argue your points. I guess I'm struggling with my support or "fandom" and instead of a soapbox, I'm using this forum to gauge wether I should continue supporting what I believe has become more of a corporation (seeking my yearly membership dues and merchandise consumption) and less like band.

Basically, get yourself ready to never listen to music again. You will never find a mainstream, even indie band that isn't a business. Maybe you want to listen to some screechy pre-pubescent garage band that knows about 4 chords because they have no shirts to sell. That's cool, go for it. Bands are a business, some worse than others, but all bands are a form of business.