Layaway section in the shop?

HughFreakingDillon

vzouzal said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

vzouzal said:

before & after incorporation

as a band gets bigger......they have more to do. more to do means more people to employ. more people to employ means..........you see where I'm going with this? it's really not hard to understand.

all bands are a business. they have been from day 1. whether you sell 3 records or 3 million. and business decisions have to be made. marketing your music has to be done. make no mistake about that.

anyway, we get a thread or two about this every few months, and it always goes nowhere, since the person starting is merely looking for a soapbox and not a real discussion, so let's just call this one, shall we?

I shall end with one final thought: if you truly believe the band goes against their (and it seems, your) social beliefs, doesn't your support of that band make you a hypocrite or a part of the problem?

your like the ultimate voice of reason, very hard to argue your points. I guess I'm struggling with my support or "fandom" and instead of a soapbox, I'm using this forum to gauge wether I should continue supporting what I believe has become more of a corporation (seeking my yearly membership dues and merchandise consumption) and less like band.

my personal opinion, is that the band is actually partially responsible for the nutbar consumerism of their merch. But not because they put out too much, it's because of the limited status of the shit they put out. show specific everything, which is great, but they don't guage the interest properly. do they do that in order to generate buzz so people will buy the less desireable merch in CASE it increases in value? like someone buying a dog collar for no other reason than they might profit off it later? who knows. I doubt it.

in my personal opinion, if you like the music, that's all that should matter. did you enjoy Ten more because of Ed's anti-fur stance? did you spin Vitalogy more because you also hated ticketmaster?

i doubt it.

but you respected the band. i get it. it was part of their allure for some. just forget about that shit and listen to the music.

PJ_Soul

vzouzal said:

RP112579 said:

vzouzal said:

PJ_Soul said:

vzouzal said:

jamburger said:

vzouzal said:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/577201414067396608

And you believe that one of the band members posted this... or the person responsible to drive sales into their shop?

I really love the "discover more in the shop" part! Really good salesmanship!

That's just somebody working at the 10C warehouse who posted that, FYI. The band would have had absolutely nothing to do with that message.

lol, "somebody" in the warehouse has the ability to make posts on their official twitter page? lol! now that is the funniest shit I have ever read!

Hold on, you actually think the band members are the ones posting to the social media accounts?????

Did I say that? Obviously not, but it's certainly someone with more authority than "somebody" in the warehouse!

Huh? There are only like 7 people working for 10C altogether, and they all work at the warehouse. One of them would have posted the message.... That's the "somebody" I was referring to.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

vzouzal said:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U

I am aware of what Eddie said at the Grammys. Eddie has since expressed real regret for doing that btw, and not recently. He said he was in a really pissy mood, was nic'ing out for a smoke, and admitted that was pretty rude of him to do that. Especially since he opted to actually be at the Grammys to accept the award.
Did you see the really nice and gracious acceptance speech from the guy who accepted the most recent Grammy?

I didn't know he had since expressed regret. But I did always think it was weird that he made that statement, yet bothered to show up to the show. if you hate awards shows, why go to an awards show?

He was also drunk, lol.

on2legs

All I got to say is if the band's intent is to be greedy they have the worst business plan in the history of finance. They keep ticket prices low, they only sell limited amounts of merch, and their quality control leaves much to be desired. Amazon.com they are not.

PJ_Soul

They also donate tons of money to charity. Which I think is the exact opposite of greed.

vzouzal

on2legs said:

All I got to say is if the band's intent is to be greedy they have the worst business plan in the history of finance. They keep ticket prices low, they only sell limited amounts of merch, and their quality control leaves much to be desired. Amazon.com they are not.

It's true, I have been convinced that my feelings/views are untoward. Thank-you. earnest!

on2legs

PJ_Soul said:

They also donate tons of money to charity. Which I think is the exact opposite of greed.

WhatYouTaughtMe

Ok so I have had some questions myself and ultimately came to the following conclusion which is strictly my opinion and I cannot speak for the band. It always seemed to me they were against people co-opting an image or sound and trading on it when they had no involvement other than making money off of someone else's work. They do most things in house and aren't backed by a major label. I think over the years they have probably learned a lot about the costs in promoting and distributing an album they might not have realized when someone else was doing it. That as well as touring, which would be a reason they actually do have sponsors these days when in the past they avoided it. I remember Jeff years ago saying one of the biggest misconceptions about the band is they hate money. I also think they are not marketing or PR experts and sometimes things do come off as cheesy because of that in house aspect. At one point for a couple years they were arguably the biggest band in the world and didn't require a lot of these things to generate revenue. Those days are long gone and if they require a lot of this extra stuff to generate revenue, I'm good with that. As long as they keep spreading dollars and overall goodness in the world, a-fucking-men! That being said, the quality control of some of this stuff is shotty and I'd like to see that get better. I'd also like to see people chill the fuck out and not act like a two dollar sticker is gold, but hey whatever melts your butter.

on2legs

On another note... it's interesting that Ed spat on the Grammy but fully embraced the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame by playing with the Doors and inducting Neil. Kinda of similar things with both requiring one to judge the worthiness of a piece of art.

scurtis

It's called the "music business" for a reason. Because music/bands are a business.

I don't think PJ has ever once said they don't want to make money or be a business, I really can't think of a band that has.

They just aren't a profit first business, I would say they aren't even a profit second or third business either. Profit may be fourth or fifth on the list. But based on their size and popularity, that probably still means a lot scratch.

If you want to separate music from business then you have to support the guy on the street playing for the love of it. But even he/she accepts donations.

Even going to see a small indie band play at a club, the club has them there to put butts in the bar who will also buy drinks, pay cover etc... The band is playing to get exposure to their music and hopefully sell some shirts, records, CDs etc... to be able to tour more, or record more, and make a living.

Does it gross you out when you go to a small show and the band mentions they're selling shirts and CDs in the back? That's business.

This is no different, just on a larger scale with employees, charities etc... to pay for.

HughFreakingDillon

on2legs said:

On another note... it's interesting that Ed spat on the Grammy but fully embraced the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame by playing with the Doors and inducting Neil. Kinda of similar things with both requiring one to judge the worthiness of a piece of art.

I've always found that kind of hypocritical as well. it's not like the RRHOF is voted on by peers. it's a bunch of old white guys, just like the grammys. he just likes it when his friends get awarded! LOL

PJ_Soul

I think he's probably just having a little fun just like anyone else. The RRHOF inductions are an excuse for all of the best muscians to get together and get drunk and talk about old times and bands, acknowledge some of the greats, etc etc. I see no reason to take it so seriously.

badbrains

on2legs said:

And I will wait patiently for you to name another major act that charges $80 for front of house seats.

Tool

ldent42

Christ how do I get this thread out of my "participated discussions"?

Jaaaaaaaaaaysus.

on2legs

PJ_Soul said:

I think he's probably just having a little fun just like anyone else. The RRHOF inductions are an excuse for all of the best muscians to get together and get drunk and talk about old times and bands, acknowledge some of the greats, etc etc. I see no reason to take it so seriously.

That answer makes the most sense.

on2legs

badbrains said:

on2legs said:

And I will wait patiently for you to name another major act that charges $80 for front of house seats.

Tool

Sounds like they're in the top 1% of fan friendly ticket prices.

WhatYouTaughtMe

ldent42 said:

Christ how do I get this thread out of my "participated discussions"?

Jaaaaaaaaaaysus.

Haha.

HughFreakingDillon

ldent42 said:

Christ how do I get this thread out of my "participated discussions"?

Jaaaaaaaaaaysus.

I wish this feature were available as well!

darthvedder

PJ_Soul said:

vzouzal said:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U

I am aware of what Eddie said at the Grammys. Eddie has since expressed real regret for doing that btw, and not recently. He said he was in a really pissy mood, was nic'ing out for a smoke, and admitted that was pretty rude of him to do that. Especially since he opted to actually be at the Grammys to accept the award.
Did you see the really nice and gracious acceptance speech from the guy who accepted the most recent Grammy?

Eddie has expressed regret? Do you have a link to back that up? It would be interesting to read if that is the case, because all I remember is Pearl Jam 20 and how he said he should have started a fight instead. Not really regretting anything.

2-feign-reluctance

HughFreakingDillon said:

ldent42 said:

Christ how do I get this thread out of my "participated discussions"?

Jaaaaaaaaaaysus.

I wish this feature were available as well!

Just turn off all notifications. I like this board much better since I made that change.