I disagree with this article on obesity..Whats your opinion?

HughFreakingDillon

The comments in this thread honestly remind me of a recent scandal of a local politicians wife posting on facebook that "those lazy natives should stop begging for money and just get off their lazy asses and get a job already", like laziness really was the main reason they didnt change their lifestyles. And a guy i work with said "well if the native guy on my hockey team can do it, so can they!". Yep, totally cut and dry, very simple issue.

Buy a bag of apples....problem solved! Lol

backseatLover12

The entire basis of this thread is about judgment. We won't solve obesity pointing fingers like we are here.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

paulonious said:

The comments in this thread honestly remind me of a recent scandal of a local politicians wife posting on facebook that "those lazy natives should stop begging for money and just get off their lazy asses and get a job already", like laziness really was the main reason they didnt change their lifestyles. And a guy i work with said "well if the native guy on my hockey team can do it, so can they!". Yep, totally cut and dry, very simple issue.

Buy a bag of apples....problem solved! Lol

It is a little more simple than some are making it out to be though.

People are talking as if obese people simply had no other choice but to be obese. While I can admit that in some cases, this is true... in many... it's not.

This thread is classic from my perspective though. If people aren't trying to justify ISIS and their actions by blaming their homosexual tower launches, beheadings, burnings, and other acts of aggression on the infidels... or criminals for engaging in criminal behaviour... they are now trying to deflect responsibility for obese people's lifestyles.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

backseatLover12 said:

The entire basis of this thread is about judgment. We won't solve obesity pointing fingers like we are here.

Does this include the fingers pointing away from the obese person?

dignin

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

paulonious said:

The comments in this thread honestly remind me of a recent scandal of a local politicians wife posting on facebook that "those lazy natives should stop begging for money and just get off their lazy asses and get a job already", like laziness really was the main reason they didnt change their lifestyles. And a guy i work with said "well if the native guy on my hockey team can do it, so can they!". Yep, totally cut and dry, very simple issue.

Buy a bag of apples....problem solved! Lol

It is a little more simple than some are making it out to be though.

People are talking as if obese people simply had no other choice but to be obese. While I can admit that in some cases, this is true... in many... it's not.

This thread is classic from my perspective though. If people aren't trying to justify ISIS and their actions by blaming their homosexual tower launches, beheadings, burnings, and other acts of aggression on the infidels... or criminals for engaging in criminal behaviour... they are now trying to deflect responsibility for obese people's lifestyles.

Some of us are looking at this from a perspective of how to solve this issue.

Others just want to point and yell......shame! That is no solution.

Seriously though, the evidence shows there are way more factors at play for the majority of obese people than some would imply. It is not as simple as saying someone is weak willed and no self control.

If you haven't watched that HBO doc that eddiec posted earlier in this thread, I would suggest you should. It makes the argument clear.....in a way I never could.

hedonist

backseatLover12 said:

The entire basis of this thread is about judgment. We won't solve obesity pointing fingers like we are here.

How is discussing or making observations pointing fingers? Thank goodness it IS being discussed for the most part.

Many facets to this, and yes - laziness is one of them. ONE of them. Many have mentioned other reasons. And really, does it have to be noted that using the word "lazy" isn't intended with the accompaniment of superiority or a view blinded by income or neighborhood or genes or anything else, but a sense of basic knowledge that most adults should be able to get hold of

Unless I'm delusional, I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect or above any kind of reproach. One of the things I like about this place and at the same time, I can't help but sometimes think "the fuck" in how differently we see things. Actually, not necessarily things/issues, but each other.

By the way, Thirty, appreciate your post toward the top of this page.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

paulonious said:

The comments in this thread honestly remind me of a recent scandal of a local politicians wife posting on facebook that "those lazy natives should stop begging for money and just get off their lazy asses and get a job already", like laziness really was the main reason they didnt change their lifestyles. And a guy i work with said "well if the native guy on my hockey team can do it, so can they!". Yep, totally cut and dry, very simple issue.

Buy a bag of apples....problem solved! Lol

It is a little more simple than some are making it out to be though.

People are talking as if obese people simply had no other choice but to be obese. While I can admit that in some cases, this is true... in many... it's not.

This thread is classic from my perspective though. If people aren't trying to justify ISIS and their actions by blaming their homosexual tower launches, beheadings, burnings, and other acts of aggression on the infidels... or criminals for engaging in criminal behaviour... they are now trying to deflect responsibility for obese people's lifestyles.

Some of us are looking at this from a perspective of how to solve this issue.

Others just want to point and yell......shame! That is no solution.

Seriously though, the evidence shows there are way more factors at play for the majority of obese people than some would imply. It is not as simple as saying someone is weak willed and no self control.

If you haven't watched that HBO doc that eddiec posted earlier in this thread, I would suggest you should. It makes the argument clear.....in a way I never could.

Lack of access to healthy (fresh) food and inactivity (no park space) leads to obesity.

There are some cases (as I said earlier) where obesity was set from birth through conditions afforded to children by their parents. The video speaks to the inherent problems associated with living in the inner city and for these people too, I can empathize with them.

There are many other cases though, which I feel share the burden of responsibility. I visit two places in the USA with some frequency: there are many supermarkets in Spokane, however I see many obese people there as well. In Las Vegas (I go to a conference there every year), I see countless obese people that afforded a trip to Las Vegas wearing their finest (big) clothes. I'm not completely familiar with these people's backgrounds, but given my assumptions... I'd say their personal situation isn't that of someone living in the Bronx.

In Canada, I see obesity for no good reason as well- people with good jobs, living in good communities (such as mine), and bursting at the waist. No... good... reason.

So, if we are we talking of an inner city epidemic of obesity given the lack of access to fresh food and park space... I get it.

If we are talking about poor, middle class fat people that have no will control and a tendency to be lazy- refraining from exercise or making an effort to prepare their food- that see a McDonalds advertisement and race out for a McRib ... then I don't get it.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

paulonious said:

The comments in this thread honestly remind me of a recent scandal of a local politicians wife posting on facebook that "those lazy natives should stop begging for money and just get off their lazy asses and get a job already", like laziness really was the main reason they didnt change their lifestyles. And a guy i work with said "well if the native guy on my hockey team can do it, so can they!". Yep, totally cut and dry, very simple issue.

Buy a bag of apples....problem solved! Lol

It is a little more simple than some are making it out to be though.

People are talking as if obese people simply had no other choice but to be obese. While I can admit that in some cases, this is true... in many... it's not.

This thread is classic from my perspective though. If people aren't trying to justify ISIS and their actions by blaming their homosexual tower launches, beheadings, burnings, and other acts of aggression on the infidels... or criminals for engaging in criminal behaviour... they are now trying to deflect responsibility for obese people's lifestyles.

Some of us are looking at this from a perspective of how to solve this issue.

Others just want to point and yell......shame! That is no solution.

Seriously though, the evidence shows there are way more factors at play for the majority of obese people than some would imply. It is not as simple as saying someone is weak willed and no self control.

If you haven't watched that HBO doc that eddiec posted earlier in this thread, I would suggest you should. It makes the argument clear.....in a way I never could.

Lack of access to healthy (fresh) food and inactivity (no park space) leads to obesity.

There are some cases (as I said earlier) where obesity was set from birth through conditions afforded to children by their parents. The video speaks to the inherent problems associated with living in the inner city and for these people too, I can empathize with them.

There are many other cases though, which I feel share the burden of responsibility. I visit two places in the USA with some frequency: there are many supermarkets in Spokane, however I see many obese people there as well. In Las Vegas (I go to a conference there every year), I see countless obese people that afforded a trip to Las Vegas wearing their finest (big) clothes. I'm not completely familiar with these people's backgrounds, but given my assumptions... I'd say their personal situation isn't that of someone living in the Bronx.

In Canada, I see obesity for no good reason as well- people with good jobs, living in good communities (such as mine), and bursting at the waist. No... good... reason.

So, if we are we talking of an inner city epidemic of obesity given the lack of access to fresh food and park space... I get it.

If we are talking about poor, middle class fat people that have no will control and a tendency to be lazy- refraining from exercise or making an effort to prepare their food- that see a McDonalds advertisement and race out for a McRib ... then I don't get it.

Then you get it. Mostly. Lol

Thirty Bills Unpaid

paulonious said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

paulonious said:

The comments in this thread honestly remind me of a recent scandal of a local politicians wife posting on facebook that "those lazy natives should stop begging for money and just get off their lazy asses and get a job already", like laziness really was the main reason they didnt change their lifestyles. And a guy i work with said "well if the native guy on my hockey team can do it, so can they!". Yep, totally cut and dry, very simple issue.

Buy a bag of apples....problem solved! Lol

It is a little more simple than some are making it out to be though.

People are talking as if obese people simply had no other choice but to be obese. While I can admit that in some cases, this is true... in many... it's not.

This thread is classic from my perspective though. If people aren't trying to justify ISIS and their actions by blaming their homosexual tower launches, beheadings, burnings, and other acts of aggression on the infidels... or criminals for engaging in criminal behaviour... they are now trying to deflect responsibility for obese people's lifestyles.

Some of us are looking at this from a perspective of how to solve this issue.

Others just want to point and yell......shame! That is no solution.

Seriously though, the evidence shows there are way more factors at play for the majority of obese people than some would imply. It is not as simple as saying someone is weak willed and no self control.

If you haven't watched that HBO doc that eddiec posted earlier in this thread, I would suggest you should. It makes the argument clear.....in a way I never could.

Lack of access to healthy (fresh) food and inactivity (no park space) leads to obesity.

There are some cases (as I said earlier) where obesity was set from birth through conditions afforded to children by their parents. The video speaks to the inherent problems associated with living in the inner city and for these people too, I can empathize with them.

There are many other cases though, which I feel share the burden of responsibility. I visit two places in the USA with some frequency: there are many supermarkets in Spokane, however I see many obese people there as well. In Las Vegas (I go to a conference there every year), I see countless obese people that afforded a trip to Las Vegas wearing their finest (big) clothes. I'm not completely familiar with these people's backgrounds, but given my assumptions... I'd say their personal situation isn't that of someone living in the Bronx.

In Canada, I see obesity for no good reason as well- people with good jobs, living in good communities (such as mine), and bursting at the waist. No... good... reason.

So, if we are we talking of an inner city epidemic of obesity given the lack of access to fresh food and park space... I get it.

If we are talking about poor, middle class fat people that have no will control and a tendency to be lazy- refraining from exercise or making an effort to prepare their food- that see a McDonalds advertisement and race out for a McRib ... then I don't get it.

Then you get it. Mostly. Lol

Thank gawd!

For a bit there... I was thinking, "I'm not getting it!"

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

paulonious said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

paulonious said:

The comments in this thread honestly remind me of a recent scandal of a local politicians wife posting on facebook that "those lazy natives should stop begging for money and just get off their lazy asses and get a job already", like laziness really was the main reason they didnt change their lifestyles. And a guy i work with said "well if the native guy on my hockey team can do it, so can they!". Yep, totally cut and dry, very simple issue.

Buy a bag of apples....problem solved! Lol

It is a little more simple than some are making it out to be though.

People are talking as if obese people simply had no other choice but to be obese. While I can admit that in some cases, this is true... in many... it's not.

This thread is classic from my perspective though. If people aren't trying to justify ISIS and their actions by blaming their homosexual tower launches, beheadings, burnings, and other acts of aggression on the infidels... or criminals for engaging in criminal behaviour... they are now trying to deflect responsibility for obese people's lifestyles.

Some of us are looking at this from a perspective of how to solve this issue.

Others just want to point and yell......shame! That is no solution.

Seriously though, the evidence shows there are way more factors at play for the majority of obese people than some would imply. It is not as simple as saying someone is weak willed and no self control.

If you haven't watched that HBO doc that eddiec posted earlier in this thread, I would suggest you should. It makes the argument clear.....in a way I never could.

Lack of access to healthy (fresh) food and inactivity (no park space) leads to obesity.

There are some cases (as I said earlier) where obesity was set from birth through conditions afforded to children by their parents. The video speaks to the inherent problems associated with living in the inner city and for these people too, I can empathize with them.

There are many other cases though, which I feel share the burden of responsibility. I visit two places in the USA with some frequency: there are many supermarkets in Spokane, however I see many obese people there as well. In Las Vegas (I go to a conference there every year), I see countless obese people that afforded a trip to Las Vegas wearing their finest (big) clothes. I'm not completely familiar with these people's backgrounds, but given my assumptions... I'd say their personal situation isn't that of someone living in the Bronx.

In Canada, I see obesity for no good reason as well- people with good jobs, living in good communities (such as mine), and bursting at the waist. No... good... reason.

So, if we are we talking of an inner city epidemic of obesity given the lack of access to fresh food and park space... I get it.

If we are talking about poor, middle class fat people that have no will control and a tendency to be lazy- refraining from exercise or making an effort to prepare their food- that see a McDonalds advertisement and race out for a McRib ... then I don't get it.

Then you get it. Mostly. Lol

Thank gawd!

For a bit there... I was thinking, "I'm not getting it!"

LOL

stuckinline

In the Cleveland area there is a growing movement to bring community gardens into neighborhoods that typically don't have access to fresh fruits and vegetables or grocery stores. Often volunteers will offer free cooking classes and recipes to the Community Garden participants.
One example:

http://www.cbgarden.org/lets-learn/green-corps/community-garden-at-buckeye-learning-farm.aspx

Green Corps seeks new members to join community garden at Buckeye Learning Farm
Do you want to grow fresh flowers, fruits and vegetables for you and your family? Do you want to meet some of your neighbors, learn new gardening skills and be part of a fun and exciting gardening community? Then come garden with us!

Cleveland Botanical Garden's Green Corps is proud to announce the expansion of the Buckeye-Woodland Community Garden at its Buckeye Learning Farm, located at 11305 Woodland Ave, between Woodland and Mt. Carmel Road, in Cleveland.

The community garden offers 24 garden beds, each measuring 4 by 8 feet, FREE OF CHARGE for use by community members in the Buckeye-Woodland neighborhood.

Benefits of community garden membership include:

Grow your own food and flowers for free!
Use of community garden tools and supplies provided by Green Corps
Free access to water for your garden plot
A limited number of seedlings will be available for planting
Use of community garden compost bins and finished compost
Access to Green Corps’ student and staff gardening expertise and workshops
Participation in an active gardening community and gardening events, including a summer potluck, harvest party and more!
Space is limited, so please register today.

For more information, contact the Buckeye-Woodland Site Manager at 216.630.3091.

HughFreakingDillon

I'm going to create a vegetable garden with my daughters this summer. I can't wait!

rr165892

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm going to create a vegetable garden with my daughters this summer. I can't wait!

That's awesome.Get quality time and can teach.well done.
And glad you went back to HFD.

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm going to create a vegetable garden with my daughters this summer. I can't wait!

Watch out, grocery store tomatoes will never come close to satisfying again lol

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm going to create a vegetable garden with my daughters this summer. I can't wait!

Watch out, grocery store tomatoes will never come close to satisfying again lol

Yeah, my in laws grow a really extensive garden at their cottage every year, and it is so yummy to go pick the ingredients for lunch. Love it.

PJ_Soul

Let us not forget that there are a whole lot of overweight people who AREN'T poor or undereducated or lazy. They just really really like cake and fried chicken. Not to mention all the beer fans. I know plenty of people around here enjoy their beer! That shit fattening and bad for your liver, but I don't see any threads about how lazy beer drinkers are.

And of course, as already mentioned, portion control is a big issue in North America, for everyone, not just poor people. Oversized portions are pretty much the norm now.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Let us not forget that there are a whole lot of overweight people who AREN'T poor or undereducated or lazy. They just really really like cake and fried chicken. Not to mention all the beer fans. I know plenty of people around here enjoy their beer! That shit fattening and bad for your liver, but I don't see any threads about how lazy beer drinkers are.

And of course, as already mentioned, portion control is a big issue in North America, for everyone, not just poor people. Oversized portions are pretty much the norm now.

of course there are, but the article title is "...why SOME people become obese.."

we all know that those of us who are affluent enough to have the proper education, access to good food and exercise, etc, that it's our own fat fault.

HughFreakingDillon

and as to your comment about portion control.......that cannot be understated. a buddy of mine lost a bunch of fat by doing nothing other than changing the size of his plate. seriously. his diet stayed the same. he just all his meals on a lunch plate. he had a small bowl of doritos watching tv instead of the bag. simple in theory, but difficult to some of us, things like that.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

and as to your comment about portion control.......that cannot be understated. a buddy of mine lost a bunch of fat by doing nothing other than changing the size of his plate. seriously. his diet stayed the same. he just all his meals on a lunch plate. he had a small bowl of doritos watching tv instead of the bag. simple in theory, but difficult to some of us, things like that.

mmmm. Doritos.

Good luck with having the Halloween sized bag portion when a big Costco sized bag is at your disposal.

Without question my weakness: chips.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

and as to your comment about portion control.......that cannot be understated. a buddy of mine lost a bunch of fat by doing nothing other than changing the size of his plate. seriously. his diet stayed the same. he just all his meals on a lunch plate. he had a small bowl of doritos watching tv instead of the bag. simple in theory, but difficult to some of us, things like that.

mmmm. Doritos.

Good luck with having the Halloween sized bag portion when a big Costco sized bag is at your disposal.

Without question my weakness: chips.

mine as well. add dip to that equation......roll me to bed.