We all crave the hit. Be it sex, cars, music, drugs jewelry etc. For many that have limited choices to get the Hit they turn to that surgery drink. Rather than that bowl of grass. Add the very effective marketing machines incredible knowledge of the human brain, it's no wonder we as a nation are overweight.
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.
To be clear, my questioning the choices some make to NOT educate themselves isn't equatable to my feeling or thinking I'm above anyone (nor does anyone need to prove their empathetic side).
To be clear, my questioning the choices some make to NOT educate themselves isn't equatable to my feeling or thinking I'm above anyone (nor does anyone need to prove their empathetic side).
Talk about judging. Sheesh!
Oh but they know it has sugar and you know pot gives you short term memory loss and other side affects. But you still do it as the poor person that has a buck will get off on that coke. It's not education it's not being dumb. And many poor don't have computers and cell phones and as was wisely pointed our by EdieC earlier many poor have serious challenges and diet is way down there.
Empathy is a great trait but alas it takes away ones easy justification to feel good about themselves.
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
try not to judge too harshly. there very well may be extenuating circumstances that you aren't aware of. many other health conditions (that are hereditary) cause people to gain weight at an alarming rate. as do many medications.
now, it's different if you see that same family in the grocery store filling their cart with nothing but cheesy poofs and coke.
while it also sickens me when I see a child that is fat, and really, what fucking excuse is there for a fat child, save for things I mentioned, there could very well be other issues at play.
it's also not simply diet. mainly, but not entirely.
while the video game craze/sedentary lifestyle came into being in my youth, I still spent the majority of my spring/summer/fall outdoors on my bike or running or whathaveyou. my parents simply did not allow me to spend more than x amount of time in front of the tv. why? my mom was home. that's rare now. supervision of teens/pre-teens is at an all time low.
not only that; video games and the like used to be an exclusively young person activity. now that those people have grown up, so have the games, and thus, people can and do make their own terrible choices of sitting and playing video games for 12 hours and eating pizza and chips and pepsi without fear of reprisal. and don't get me started on binge tv watching. people who do that aren't eating bags of broccoli while they watch a season of Dexter in a day.
we need to unplug as a society.
Sounds more like excuses. Sure, some people may have conditions that prevent them from losing weight. But that certainly doesn't mean they can't eat healthy. Exercise is cheap. It cost nothing to walk a mile a day. Or do 50 pushups and situps a night.
Situps don't make you lose weight. I realize there has to be some accountability but people in the low income classification have so many problems in their lives that food choices unfortunately take a back seat and this leads to the obesity problem. I'm much more shocked when I see white middle class people unhealthy and overweight. They have the resources and education to do something about it. But if you're growing up in a drug infested dead end neighborhood then eating healthy is far down the list of priorities. And there is often no parental guidance in these areas as most of the parents are really children themselves. Plus, people are getting very rich making people fat. It's a hard cycle to break.
Again, you're making excuses for people. I am well aware of circumstances that don't allow people to eats fruits and vegetables with every meal. But staying in shape with simple calisthenics do make you lose weight. And doesn't cost a dime.
Not every person living below the poverty line is over weight.
This just isn't true. "Calories in calories out" is a fallacy pushed by the food industries. As others pointed out, "low-fat" and reduced calorie foods just add sugar and are no better for you.
The documentary "Fed Up" would teach some of you alot about obesity and whwy its such a problem.
We all crave the hit. Be it sex, cars, music, drugs jewelry etc. For many that have limited choices to get the Hit they turn to that surgery drink. Rather than that bowl of grass. Add the very effective marketing machines incredible knowledge of the human brain, it's no wonder we as a nation are overweight.
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.
So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?
I don't need spoon fed. Neither do people that live in poverty. You know, I know, the poor knows what's good for you and what's not. You don't need to spend 12 years in school to figure that out.
We all crave the hit. Be it sex, cars, music, drugs jewelry etc. For many that have limited choices to get the Hit they turn to that surgery drink. Rather than that bowl of grass. Add the very effective marketing machines incredible knowledge of the human brain, it's no wonder we as a nation are overweight.
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.
So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?
I don't need spoon fed. Neither do people that live in poverty. You know, I know, the poor knows what's good for you and what's not. You don't need to spend 12 years in school to figure that out.
Your not special Last 12. Your lucky. Your are the product of your environment just as other humans are the product of theirs. You are not special or in any way better. Tough to swallow but once you do you'll be a kindler gentler human. And then have empathy. Almost Christ like if he existed. Ha
We all crave the hit. Be it sex, cars, music, drugs jewelry etc. For many that have limited choices to get the Hit they turn to that surgery drink. Rather than that bowl of grass. Add the very effective marketing machines incredible knowledge of the human brain, it's no wonder we as a nation are overweight.
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.
So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?
I don't need spoon fed. Neither do people that live in poverty. You know, I know, the poor knows what's good for you and what's not. You don't need to spend 12 years in school to figure that out.
Your not special Last 12. Your lucky. Your are the product of your environment just as other humans are the product of theirs. You are not special or in any way better. Tough to swallow but once you do you'll be a kindler gentler human. And then have empathy. Almost Christ like if he existed. Ha
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. You'd almost have to be because I don't recall saying I was special or superior to anyone.
callen, your comments seem to equate common sense with someone thinking they're above others. My goodness, we might as well stifle the conversation then.
To insinuate that anyone who sees this in another or different way lacks empathy or humaneness is just off (not to mention the unnecessary tone of condescension).
callen, your comments seem to equate common sense with someone thinking they're above others. My goodness, we might as well stifle the conversation then.
To insinuate that anyone who sees this in another or different way lacks empathy or humaneness is just off (not to mention the unnecessary tone of condescension).
the tone of condescension runs rampant on both sides of the argument.
removing Home Economics as a required type class in school doesn't help either.
Of course, 99% of the students who take those courses are female.... if they're going to have it, make it mandatory for all students instead of propagating the idea that girls are supposed to be doing all the cooking and sewing.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
callen, your comments seem to equate common sense with someone thinking they're above others. My goodness, we might as well stifle the conversation then.
To insinuate that anyone who sees this in another or different way lacks empathy or humaneness is just off (not to mention the unnecessary tone of condescension).
the tone of condescension runs rampant on both sides of the argument.
Rampant? Not sure I agree with you there. Maybe I missed something, but this seemed to be a pretty informative and honest / respectful discussion, for the most part on both parts. How the suggestion of some here needing therapy due to their views entered into things, I have no idea.
I feel like the cost of healthy food is out of control, at least where I live. Just a 4 pack of halved skinless chicken beasts is up to around $14 of so. Someone mentioned they could get a 10 pound bag of potatoes for $1.50?? Not here. Pretty sure I spent more than $2 on only 4 potatoes the other day. I can get broccolini at my local Safeway (so much tastier than broccoli), but it's $5 for two servings. Fruit? I wanted some grapes recently, and just grabbed a bag, and then changed my mind when I got to the cashier and discovered that 2lb bag of grapes was going to cost me over $10. Other produce is similarly priced. And the prices are expected to go up another 10% just this year. Grocery prices have quadrupled here in the past 10 years. It's crazy. That said, i agree that it's not significantly cheaper to buy unhealthy food. The crap is as outrageously expensive as the good stuff as far as I can tell if you're weighing cost with nutrition, but the crap looks like you're getting more bang for your buck. When a poor person is standing there hungry, and they see a bag of grapes for $10+, and then a loaf of white bread and a huge bag of chips only $5 together, their wallet probably often does the deciding for them.
But i really hate this talk about laziness. I find it very counterproductive. It seems like a shaming tactic to me, and therefore totally ineffective as an argument towards healthier living.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
callen, your comments seem to equate common sense with someone thinking they're above others. My goodness, we might as well stifle the conversation then.
To insinuate that anyone who sees this in another or different way lacks empathy or humaneness is just off (not to mention the unnecessary tone of condescension).
This is AMT it's not personal and if the mindset shifts from "they are dumb and Lazy" to why is it humans do bad things that's not stifling debate it's progressing it. In my opinion.
Last 12 Exit said: "So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?"
While saying you need therapy is a bit much, putting yourself in the "better decisions" box, you kind of take yourself out of the "understanding society" box.
I had a conversation with a very well-to-do dentist friend of mine (both of us at the head table at our friend's wedding) about how he doesn't tip waitresses. He said 'why should I give them my hard earned money because they made poorer decisions in life than I did?'. I thought that was incredibly elitist. He isn't taking into consideration the lot this person was given. He basically grew up rich compared to most people in these positions. His parents paid for his schooling all the way through, and somehow he views this as a good decision he had made in life.
there's a reason that obesity runs rampant in poorer communities. and it's isn't as simplistic as saying "they made bad choices" at the grocery store. it runs MUCH deeper than that.
removing Home Economics as a required type class in school doesn't help either.
Of course, 99% of the students who take those courses are female.... if they're going to have it, make it mandatory for all students instead of propagating the idea that girls are supposed to be doing all the cooking and sewing.
I love it that my kids' school curriculum currently contains elements of back to basics. they are growing their own food, learning how to make healthy choices, and how to take care of the gardens they planted. I didn't get that when I was in school.
Growing and maintaining your own resources should be a prerequisite in all schools. not necessarily baking pies, like my home ec class in the 80's did. real food. real needs.
I'd be interested to see some stats on this type of curriculum and which neighbourhood demographics employ them. I would bet the "rougher" schools wouldn't. But that's just a hunch.
We all crave the hit. Be it sex, cars, music, drugs jewelry etc. For many that have limited choices to get the Hit they turn to that surgery drink. Rather than that bowl of grass. Add the very effective marketing machines incredible knowledge of the human brain, it's no wonder we as a nation are overweight.
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.
So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?
I don't need spoon fed. Neither do people that live in poverty. You know, I know, the poor knows what's good for you and what's not. You don't need to spend 12 years in school to figure that out.
Your not special Last 12. Your lucky. Your are the product of your environment just as other humans are the product of theirs. You are not special or in any way better. Tough to swallow but once you do you'll be a kindler gentler human. And then have empathy. Almost Christ like if he existed. Ha
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. You'd almost have to be because I don't recall saying I was special or superior to anyone.
If you say "I know " so I eat better and those dummies can do the same you are indeed saying you are better. I'm simply saying you are the way you are due to the DNA that you were given and the environment to which you live. So rather think Bout why people are the way they are rather than looking down on others.
And always healthy to look at ones own shortcomings and one may see motivations to which we dog out others as the need for humans to get high. One persons porn is another's coca cola.
callen, your comments seem to equate common sense with someone thinking they're above others. My goodness, we might as well stifle the conversation then.
To insinuate that anyone who sees this in another or different way lacks empathy or humaneness is just off (not to mention the unnecessary tone of condescension).
the tone of condescension runs rampant on both sides of the argument.
Rampant? Not sure I agree with you there. Maybe I missed something, but this seemed to be a pretty informative and honest / respectful discussion, for the most part on both parts. How the suggestion of some here needing therapy due to their views entered into things, I have no idea.
I just meant with people, instead of discussing the potential socio-economic reasons for this, who turned it into "I make better decisions than them, stop making excuses for fat people".
But i really hate this talk about laziness. I find it very counterproductive. It seems like a shaming tactic to me, and therefore totally ineffective as an argument towards healthier living.
Thanks for the thread, Speedy. It was a good read. I am firmly in the camp that the majority of the poor cannot use poverty as an excuse for obesity since they're obviously spending money on some sort of food. There can be many other factors from lack of education about nutrition, to easily accessible quality food in their neighborhoods, to them placing a lower priority on nutrition in the face of other perceived higher-priority issues in their lives (paying the rent, keeping their families safe, etc...). As many have pointed out in this thread, eating healthy does not have to cost more. In fact, in most cases it will cost less than buying fast food or pre-packaged, processed food. The problem is that it takes conscious effort to make it less expensive. I shop sales. I buy meat after it has been marked down as a Manager's Special as it approaches expiration and take it right home to the freezer. I buy big bags of rice and beans. My wife shops coupons and takes advantage of sales to stock the pantry. We know what things should cost from experience, and won't overpay. We'll go without some things and wait for a sale. We plan our menus. Last week I cooked a number of dinners, each feeding a 3 adults and providing leftovers, for under $10 each. I made lettuce wraps, a Hungarian cauliflower soup, some German Rouladen, and chicken gyros last week for dinners. Probably once a week we I'll make a pizza crust (flour and water are cheap!), and repurpose some leftovers into some sort of pizza. The week before I had some leftover shredded chicken we used in burritos, and I made a Mexican chicken style pizza. Last week I repurposed some Asian style ground turkey we used for lettuce wraps into an Asian style pizza. It is fun to experiment, and a fun way to eat leftovers by turning them into something different. Those meals cost even less, since I'd already accounted for the cost in the original meal and I used minimal ingredients to create a new meal from it.
So many people in the thread making excuses for others. It does come down to accountability, and it takes effort. There will always be exceptions who really are in situations where they may not be able to eat nutritiously and cheaply, but diggin's article notwithstanding, there are plenty of families out there who could do a much, much better job with their menu planning and grocery shopping. I, too, have seen plenty of people pay for pre-made, processed, ready-to-eat or frozen meals with their government assistance. I look at their basket, I look at my basket, and I know who is eating better and more cheaply. The one paying more for their basket can least afford to, and could with some effort fix it. Those are the people I think most in this thread are talking about.
To be clear, my questioning the choices some make to NOT educate themselves isn't equatable to my feeling or thinking I'm above anyone (nor does anyone need to prove their empathetic side).
Talk about judging. Sheesh!
No kidding. It is funny how those who accuse others of being judgmental are making some pretty big judgments themselves. The only way one forms an opinion is through judgment, isn't it? We have to make some sort of judgment about something in order to even have an opinion unless we're all sitting around reciting well-established, uncontested factual information to each other, which sounds pretty boring to me.
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Last 12 Exit said: "So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?"
While saying you need therapy is a bit much, putting yourself in the "better decisions" box, you kind of take yourself out of the "understanding society" box.
I had a conversation with a very well-to-do dentist friend of mine (both of us at the head table at our friend's wedding) about how he doesn't tip waitresses. He said 'why should I give them my hard earned money because they made poorer decisions in life than I did?'. I thought that was incredibly elitist. He isn't taking into consideration the lot this person was given. He basically grew up rich compared to most people in these positions. His parents paid for his schooling all the way through, and somehow he views this as a good decision he had made in life.
there's a reason that obesity runs rampant in poorer communities. and it's isn't as simplistic as saying "they made bad choices" at the grocery store. it runs MUCH deeper than that.
So we can't agree that eating salads and raw fruits and vegetables is a better decision that eating McDonald's every day? In that case, I guess I'm an elitist. Lol.
We all crave the hit. Be it sex, cars, music, drugs jewelry etc. For many that have limited choices to get the Hit they turn to that surgery drink. Rather than that bowl of grass. Add the very effective marketing machines incredible knowledge of the human brain, it's no wonder we as a nation are overweight.
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.
So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?
I don't need spoon fed. Neither do people that live in poverty. You know, I know, the poor knows what's good for you and what's not. You don't need to spend 12 years in school to figure that out.
Your not special Last 12. Your lucky. Your are the product of your environment just as other humans are the product of theirs. You are not special or in any way better. Tough to swallow but once you do you'll be a kindler gentler human. And then have empathy. Almost Christ like if he existed. Ha
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. You'd almost have to be because I don't recall saying I was special or superior to anyone.
If you say "I know " so I eat better and those dummies can do the same you are indeed saying you are better. I'm simply saying you are the way you are due to the DNA that you were given and the environment to which you live. So rather think Bout why people are the way they are rather than looking down on others.
And always healthy to look at ones own shortcomings and one may see motivations to which we dog out others as the need for humans to get high. One persons porn is another's coca cola.
Cool thing we all get high on PJ.
Please show me the list where I referred to anyone as dummies.
Oh, and by doing basic calisthenics to keep myself moving rather that sitting in my ass watching the voice must make me better than "those people" as well.
Last 12 Exit said: "So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?"
While saying you need therapy is a bit much, putting yourself in the "better decisions" box, you kind of take yourself out of the "understanding society" box.
I had a conversation with a very well-to-do dentist friend of mine (both of us at the head table at our friend's wedding) about how he doesn't tip waitresses. He said 'why should I give them my hard earned money because they made poorer decisions in life than I did?'. I thought that was incredibly elitist. He isn't taking into consideration the lot this person was given. He basically grew up rich compared to most people in these positions. His parents paid for his schooling all the way through, and somehow he views this as a good decision he had made in life.
there's a reason that obesity runs rampant in poorer communities. and it's isn't as simplistic as saying "they made bad choices" at the grocery store. it runs MUCH deeper than that.
So we can't agree that eating salads and raw fruits and vegetables is a better decision that eating McDonald's every day? In that case, I guess I'm an elitist. Lol.
We all crave the hit. Be it sex, cars, music, drugs jewelry etc. For many that have limited choices to get the Hit they turn to that surgery drink. Rather than that bowl of grass. Add the very effective marketing machines incredible knowledge of the human brain, it's no wonder we as a nation are overweight.
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.
So because I make the decision to eat healthy and hold people accountable for the decisions they make without making excuses for them, I need therapy for my superiority complex?
I don't need spoon fed. Neither do people that live in poverty. You know, I know, the poor knows what's good for you and what's not. You don't need to spend 12 years in school to figure that out.
Your not special Last 12. Your lucky. Your are the product of your environment just as other humans are the product of theirs. You are not special or in any way better. Tough to swallow but once you do you'll be a kindler gentler human. And then have empathy. Almost Christ like if he existed. Ha
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. You'd almost have to be because I don't recall saying I was special or superior to anyone.
If you say "I know " so I eat better and those dummies can do the same you are indeed saying you are better. I'm simply saying you are the way you are due to the DNA that you were given and the environment to which you live. So rather think Bout why people are the way they are rather than looking down on others.
And always healthy to look at ones own shortcomings and one may see motivations to which we dog out others as the need for humans to get high. One persons porn is another's coca cola.
Cool thing we all get high on PJ.
Please show me the list where I referred to anyone as dummies.
yes, Last, it is a choice, but it's a choice based on many factors. it is not as simplistic as saying "people are lazy" or "they make bad decisions".
Oh, and by doing basic calisthenics to keep myself moving rather that sitting in my ass watching the voice must make me better than "those people" as well.
I'm not part of that argument but I would like to point out that basic calisthenics is not enough to keep most people healthy. Sure, it's better than watching the voice, but you are being very dismissive of millions of people who work out more than that and still struggle with weight and diet.
Thanks for the thread, Speedy. It was a good read. I am firmly in the camp that the majority of the poor cannot use poverty as an excuse for obesity since they're obviously spending money on some sort of food. There can be many other factors from lack of education about nutrition, to easily accessible quality food in their neighborhoods, to them placing a lower priority on nutrition in the face of other perceived higher-priority issues in their lives (paying the rent, keeping their families safe, etc...). As many have pointed out in this thread, eating healthy does not have to cost more. In fact, in most cases it will cost less than buying fast food or pre-packaged, processed food. The problem is that it takes conscious effort to make it less expensive. I shop sales. I buy meat after it has been marked down as a Manager's Special as it approaches expiration and take it right home to the freezer. I buy big bags of rice and beans. My wife shops coupons and takes advantage of sales to stock the pantry. We know what things should cost from experience, and won't overpay. We'll go without some things and wait for a sale. We plan our menus. Last week I cooked a number of dinners, each feeding a 3 adults and providing leftovers, for under $10 each. I made lettuce wraps, a Hungarian cauliflower soup, some German Rouladen, and chicken gyros last week for dinners. Probably once a week we I'll make a pizza crust (flour and water are cheap!), and repurpose some leftovers into some sort of pizza. The week before I had some leftover shredded chicken we used in burritos, and I made a Mexican chicken style pizza. Last week I repurposed some Asian style ground turkey we used for lettuce wraps into an Asian style pizza. It is fun to experiment, and a fun way to eat leftovers by turning them into something different. Those meals cost even less, since I'd already accounted for the cost in the original meal and I used minimal ingredients to create a new meal from it.
So many people in the thread making excuses for others. It does come down to accountability, and it takes effort. There will always be exceptions who really are in situations where they may not be able to eat nutritiously and cheaply, but diggin's article notwithstanding, there are plenty of families out there who could do a much, much better job with their menu planning and grocery shopping. I, too, have seen plenty of people pay for pre-made, processed, ready-to-eat or frozen meals with their government assistance. I look at their basket, I look at my basket, and I know who is eating better and more cheaply. The one paying more for their basket can least afford to, and could with some effort fix it. Those are the people I think most in this thread are talking about.
To be clear, my questioning the choices some make to NOT educate themselves isn't equatable to my feeling or thinking I'm above anyone (nor does anyone need to prove their empathetic side).
Talk about judging. Sheesh!
No kidding. It is funny how those who accuse others of being judgmental are making some pretty big judgments themselves. The only way one forms an opinion is through judgment, isn't it? We have to make some sort of judgment about something in order to even have an opinion unless we're all sitting around reciting well-established, uncontested factual information to each other, which sounds pretty boring to me.
Jeff,there you go trying to make sense again.You about summed it up perfect.
Jeff: I realize that it may sound like "some" are making excuses. It's actually quite the opposite. Understanding human nature and why humans make the choices they make. Great conversation on AMT. Yeah you do a great job of finding good food on sale. You have the knowledge , many don't. You gained knowledge due to your environment. Your parents, access to information, and you have stores and transportation to get to the sales. many don't have your luck. Your not special your lucky. I know this is hard to take and you'll flame back but ......
And no need to back up Speedy, I know he has his fan base. Hehehehe and he is regularly very crude.
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Talk about judging. Sheesh!
Empathy is a great trait but alas it takes away ones easy justification to feel good about themselves.
My intent was not to point you out. Just timing.
The documentary "Fed Up" would teach some of you alot about obesity and whwy its such a problem.
I don't need spoon fed. Neither do people that live in poverty. You know, I know, the poor knows what's good for you and what's not. You don't need to spend 12 years in school to figure that out.
To insinuate that anyone who sees this in another or different way lacks empathy or humaneness is just off (not to mention the unnecessary tone of condescension).
It was nice hearing everyone's opinion.
It was a good read, for almost 24 hours.
And now it has gone in the same direction as every other thread on The Moving Train.
Right down the God Damn Shitter.
Oh well
Carry on
Im done here.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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That said, i agree that it's not significantly cheaper to buy unhealthy food. The crap is as outrageously expensive as the good stuff as far as I can tell if you're weighing cost with nutrition, but the crap looks like you're getting more bang for your buck. When a poor person is standing there hungry, and they see a bag of grapes for $10+, and then a loaf of white bread and a huge bag of chips only $5 together, their wallet probably often does the deciding for them.
But i really hate this talk about laziness. I find it very counterproductive. It seems like a shaming tactic to me, and therefore totally ineffective as an argument towards healthier living.
While saying you need therapy is a bit much, putting yourself in the "better decisions" box, you kind of take yourself out of the "understanding society" box.
I had a conversation with a very well-to-do dentist friend of mine (both of us at the head table at our friend's wedding) about how he doesn't tip waitresses. He said 'why should I give them my hard earned money because they made poorer decisions in life than I did?'. I thought that was incredibly elitist. He isn't taking into consideration the lot this person was given. He basically grew up rich compared to most people in these positions. His parents paid for his schooling all the way through, and somehow he views this as a good decision he had made in life.
there's a reason that obesity runs rampant in poorer communities. and it's isn't as simplistic as saying "they made bad choices" at the grocery store. it runs MUCH deeper than that.
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Growing and maintaining your own resources should be a prerequisite in all schools. not necessarily baking pies, like my home ec class in the 80's did. real food. real needs.
I'd be interested to see some stats on this type of curriculum and which neighbourhood demographics employ them. I would bet the "rougher" schools wouldn't. But that's just a hunch.
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And always healthy to look at ones own shortcomings and one may see motivations to which we dog out others as the need for humans to get high. One persons porn is another's coca cola.
Cool thing we all get high on PJ.
Why can't you just say poor people suck ass using my tax dollars to buy crap food. I know feels good.
Amt is about debating not taking shit personal.
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So many people in the thread making excuses for others. It does come down to accountability, and it takes effort. There will always be exceptions who really are in situations where they may not be able to eat nutritiously and cheaply, but diggin's article notwithstanding, there are plenty of families out there who could do a much, much better job with their menu planning and grocery shopping. I, too, have seen plenty of people pay for pre-made, processed, ready-to-eat or frozen meals with their government assistance. I look at their basket, I look at my basket, and I know who is eating better and more cheaply. The one paying more for their basket can least afford to, and could with some effort fix it. Those are the people I think most in this thread are talking about. No kidding. It is funny how those who accuse others of being judgmental are making some pretty big judgments themselves. The only way one forms an opinion is through judgment, isn't it? We have to make some sort of judgment about something in order to even have an opinion unless we're all sitting around reciting well-established, uncontested factual information to each other, which sounds pretty boring to me.
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And no need to back up Speedy, I know he has his fan base. Hehehehe and he is regularly very crude.