Education smeducation. You know that eating a salad is better for you than shoveling deep fried twinkies down your gullet. You don't need to be taught that.
It helps if you think of education in broader terms than what they teach about nutrition in school. Daily feedings of junkfood from toddlerhood up IS education, and far more of it than the one day a year where they talk about the food "groups" or "pyramid" (which has nothing to do with,healthy eating and everything to do with industry promotion)
Fatty, sugary foods are literally addictive and the obese kids now are the 2nd generation raised on addictive food. The children of the 50's and 60's started us down this path, and we have lost all control.
So true.The pre Diabetic and Insulin resistance in today's youth(and adults) is alarming.
I agree that the junk food is somewhat addicting. But it's not nicotine. And it sure as hell not heroin.
Of course it took 30 for America to realize that smoking is bad for you and there are plenty of people still smoking.
Sugary carbs hit the pleasure center of the brain the same way addictive drugs do.It is VERY addictive and the food manufacturers know this all to well.Sugar and simple carbs will do way more damage to society then heroin.
I'm not sure if it's the lack of education, but the lack of knowing / learning from family cooking basics. Is that part of education? Maybe, maybe home ec. and the dismissal of that… But it's very easy to make beans, rice, potatoes, and veggies. The healthy diet needs to be learned as a kid or self-taught when older. Otherwise, we all go the convenience route, because we don't know any better. The first thing I was taught to cook when I was a kid (besides toast) was mac & cheese. Can't get any worse than the processed cheese powder of Kraft mac & cheese. But my mom also made me learn the simple basics. That's what's missing.
I also think it's this: I meet folks all the time that are proud to say that they don't cook. These people happen to be parents and they're bragging that they don't cook? I look at them and say "well, does your spouse cook?" And they either say he/she has to, or no. They dine out a lot / order in. That's how obesity happens as well. No interest or time or whatever reason. But when you are a parent, you should be responsible for cooking your kids meals, dammit!
I have always found it weird when someone tells me "I don't cook." Actually its one of the weirdest things any human being, over the age of 18, can say to me. WTF do you mean you don't cook? You are a Princess? You are a King? You have servants prepare your meals? Its just so fucking batshit weird, in my eyes, when someone tells me "I don't cook."
Totally agree! Batshit crazy. Last week it snowed and I heard a grown ass lady say, "Someone will have to come get me, I don't drive in bad weather" I was like, "Are you a child? Are you a queen? Are you that fucking spoiled? How can you call yourself an adult, a woman? Not cooking is even worse!
I turn 50 this year. When I was in 4th grade, I remember coming home after school, and my sisters and I would prepare a meal. My Dad worked nights, and my mother wouldn't be home for a couple hours. My sisters and I were able to, at the age of 10-11-12?, prepare a meal and feed ourselves. Lipton soup, mac n cheese, we knew that a potato in the oven at 350 degrees for an hour, would give you a perfect baked potato. We could do corn on the cob, we could prepare salads. We were kids, and we could cook and prepare meals. Our parents need not be afraid of us setting the house on fire.
I am sure a lot of you here could say the same thing.
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I'm not sure if it's the lack of education, but the lack of knowing / learning from family cooking basics. Is that part of education? Maybe, maybe home ec. and the dismissal of that… But it's very easy to make beans, rice, potatoes, and veggies. The healthy diet needs to be learned as a kid or self-taught when older. Otherwise, we all go the convenience route, because we don't know any better. The first thing I was taught to cook when I was a kid (besides toast) was mac & cheese. Can't get any worse than the processed cheese powder of Kraft mac & cheese. But my mom also made me learn the simple basics. That's what's missing.
I also think it's this: I meet folks all the time that are proud to say that they don't cook. These people happen to be parents and they're bragging that they don't cook? I look at them and say "well, does your spouse cook?" And they either say he/she has to, or no. They dine out a lot / order in. That's how obesity happens as well. No interest or time or whatever reason. But when you are a parent, you should be responsible for cooking your kids meals, dammit!
I have always found it weird when someone tells me "I don't cook." Actually its one of the weirdest things any human being, over the age of 18, can say to me. WTF do you mean you don't cook? You are a Princess? You are a King? You have servants prepare your meals? Its just so fucking batshit weird, in my eyes, when someone tells me "I don't cook."
Totally agree! Batshit crazy. Last week it snowed and I heard a grown ass lady say, "Someone will have to come get me, I don't drive in bad weather" I was like, "Are you a child? Are you a queen? Are you that fucking spoiled? How can you call yourself an adult, a woman? Not cooking is even worse!
I turn 50 this year. When I was in 4th grade, I remember coming home after school, and my sisters and I would prepare a meal. My Dad worked nights, and my mother wouldn't be home for a couple hours. My sisters and I were able to, at the age of 10-11-12?, prepare a meal and feed ourselves. Lipton soup, mac n cheese, we knew that a potato in the oven at 350 degrees for an hour, would give you a perfect baked potato. We could do corn on the cob, we could prepare salads. We were kids, and we could cook and prepare meals. Our parents need not be afraid of us setting the house on fire.
I am sure a lot of you here could say the same thing.
I think it's more generational.We were the latch key kids Speedy.We were more self sufficient.I cooked for my younger siblings while mom was never home due to multiple jobs.Stir fry,meat loaf,chicken breasts.We were taught to make all of that as young kids.Sure franks and beans,pb and j and Mac and cheese.also but lots of "real" food.
I'm not sure if it's the lack of education, but the lack of knowing / learning from family cooking basics. Is that part of education? Maybe, maybe home ec. and the dismissal of that… But it's very easy to make beans, rice, potatoes, and veggies. The healthy diet needs to be learned as a kid or self-taught when older. Otherwise, we all go the convenience route, because we don't know any better. The first thing I was taught to cook when I was a kid (besides toast) was mac & cheese. Can't get any worse than the processed cheese powder of Kraft mac & cheese. But my mom also made me learn the simple basics. That's what's missing.
I also think it's this: I meet folks all the time that are proud to say that they don't cook. These people happen to be parents and they're bragging that they don't cook? I look at them and say "well, does your spouse cook?" And they either say he/she has to, or no. They dine out a lot / order in. That's how obesity happens as well. No interest or time or whatever reason. But when you are a parent, you should be responsible for cooking your kids meals, dammit!
I have always found it weird when someone tells me "I don't cook." Actually its one of the weirdest things any human being, over the age of 18, can say to me. WTF do you mean you don't cook? You are a Princess? You are a King? You have servants prepare your meals? Its just so fucking batshit weird, in my eyes, when someone tells me "I don't cook."
Totally agree! Batshit crazy. Last week it snowed and I heard a grown ass lady say, "Someone will have to come get me, I don't drive in bad weather" I was like, "Are you a child? Are you a queen? Are you that fucking spoiled? How can you call yourself an adult, a woman? Not cooking is even worse!
I turn 50 this year. When I was in 4th grade, I remember coming home after school, and my sisters and I would prepare a meal. My Dad worked nights, and my mother wouldn't be home for a couple hours. My sisters and I were able to, at the age of 10-11-12?, prepare a meal and feed ourselves. Lipton soup, mac n cheese, we knew that a potato in the oven at 350 degrees for an hour, would give you a perfect baked potato. We could do corn on the cob, we could prepare salads. We were kids, and we could cook and prepare meals. Our parents need not be afraid of us setting the house on fire.
I am sure a lot of you here could say the same thing.
I get what you're saying Speedy but a poor 12 year old kid in the south Bronx probably doesn't have a cupboard of food at his/her disposal.
I'm not sure if it's the lack of education, but the lack of knowing / learning from family cooking basics. Is that part of education? Maybe, maybe home ec. and the dismissal of that… But it's very easy to make beans, rice, potatoes, and veggies. The healthy diet needs to be learned as a kid or self-taught when older. Otherwise, we all go the convenience route, because we don't know any better. The first thing I was taught to cook when I was a kid (besides toast) was mac & cheese. Can't get any worse than the processed cheese powder of Kraft mac & cheese. But my mom also made me learn the simple basics. That's what's missing.
I also think it's this: I meet folks all the time that are proud to say that they don't cook. These people happen to be parents and they're bragging that they don't cook? I look at them and say "well, does your spouse cook?" And they either say he/she has to, or no. They dine out a lot / order in. That's how obesity happens as well. No interest or time or whatever reason. But when you are a parent, you should be responsible for cooking your kids meals, dammit!
I have always found it weird when someone tells me "I don't cook." Actually its one of the weirdest things any human being, over the age of 18, can say to me. WTF do you mean you don't cook? You are a Princess? You are a King? You have servants prepare your meals? Its just so fucking batshit weird, in my eyes, when someone tells me "I don't cook."
Totally agree! Batshit crazy. Last week it snowed and I heard a grown ass lady say, "Someone will have to come get me, I don't drive in bad weather" I was like, "Are you a child? Are you a queen? Are you that fucking spoiled? How can you call yourself an adult, a woman? Not cooking is even worse!
I turn 50 this year. When I was in 4th grade, I remember coming home after school, and my sisters and I would prepare a meal. My Dad worked nights, and my mother wouldn't be home for a couple hours. My sisters and I were able to, at the age of 10-11-12?, prepare a meal and feed ourselves. Lipton soup, mac n cheese, we knew that a potato in the oven at 350 degrees for an hour, would give you a perfect baked potato. We could do corn on the cob, we could prepare salads. We were kids, and we could cook and prepare meals. Our parents need not be afraid of us setting the house on fire.
I am sure a lot of you here could say the same thing.
I think it's more generational.We were the latch key kids Speedy.We were more self sufficient.I cooked for my younger siblings while mom was never home due to multiple jobs.Stir fry,meat loaf,chicken breasts.We were taught to make all of that as young kids.Sure franks and beans,pb and j and Mac and cheese.also but lots of "real" food.
Oh trust me, we could cook "real food" too. Plenty of it. We used the oven, we used the broiler, my mom was never terrified that we would set the house on fire. She had taught us well.
I always tell a story of a friend of mine who was managing a restaurant, this happened a year or two ago. At the end of the night he asked an 18 year old girl to sweep up the lobby. 10 minutes later he walked to the lobby to observe what the hell was taking so long. Hearing him tell the story cracks me up. The girl had no idea how to sweep a floor. Not a clue what she was doing. She didn't have a clue how to even hold the damn broom.
She was 18 years old. That is scary.
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I feel like that link that I posted is being ignored here. It references well researched data, not beliefs.
This fits right in with the War On Science thread.
You can believe these people are lazy.....but the evidence says otherwise.
I'm not calling them lazy, but it looks like another opportunity for someone to blame their poor eating habits on something or someone else. At some point, personal accountability has to be factored in.
To a degree, but in the same way your parents taught you how to make healthy choices and now do that yourself, these people are also following what they were taught.
Yea, but there comes a point in everyone's life where you question what you were taught growing up. Wheather it's politics, religion, ethics, and even eating habits. It come down to choice.
I'd be a hypocritical Christian today if I didn't question what I was taught growing up.
I think its less laziness and more not understanding and/or possibly caring about the ramifications down the road.
How is it possible to not understand that eating fast food/junk food/convenience food is detrimental? How is it possible to not comprehend that the mentality of laziness that fast food instills, in every way, filling our landfills, filling our arteries, filling our stomachs with nothing but empty calories is a horrible way to live?
But if you are not taught this, you know no better. So sad.
people are looking to extremes to make their point. I'm not saying that people don't understand that McDonald's is not as healthy as a salad. that's obvious. I'm talking about convenience foods, like pre-packaged shit that is full of sodium and trans fats that aren't so obvious. Hell, people NOT in these situations don't fully understand this half the time. they have to find out from Kelly & Michael.
I turn 50 this year. When I was in 4th grade, I remember coming home after school, and my sisters and I would prepare a meal. My Dad worked nights, and my mother wouldn't be home for a couple hours. My sisters and I were able to, at the age of 10-11-12?, prepare a meal and feed ourselves. Lipton soup, mac n cheese, we knew that a potato in the oven at 350 degrees for an hour, would give you a perfect baked potato. We could do corn on the cob, we could prepare salads. We were kids, and we could cook and prepare meals. Our parents need not be afraid of us setting the house on fire.
I am sure a lot of you here could say the same thing.
I'm greeting 50 this year as well. And while our family ate dinner together most nights and my sister and I were capable of preparing dinner (and did, ourselves, many times), we more helped my mom with it all. It was more fun than doing it ourselves, too; probably why I find comfort in cooking...not to mention how it hits every sense.
I was also thinking about how frugality brought about innovation in the generations before us. Not just areas like the South but in other countries as well. How every part of an animal was used, how foods were stretched using other ingredients, how food itself wasn't wasted.
In the 1980's when heart attacks were becoming much more frequent it was attributed to the 'fat' in foods. It has been a 30 year trend to market things as 'half fat, 'no fat' 'reduced fat'. What the general public didn't know, even the educated ones, was that food companies were adding huge amounts of sugar to make up for the loss in flavor that resulted from taking out the fat. Hence, removing the fat contributed to the nation becoming fat.
In the 1980's when heart attacks were becoming much more frequent it was attributed to the 'fat' in foods. It has been a 30 year trend to market things as 'half fat, 'no fat' 'reduced fat'. What the general public didn't know, even the educated ones, was that food companies were adding huge amounts of sugar to make up for the loss in flavor that resulted from taking out the fat. Hence, removing the fat contributed to the nation becoming fat.
Bingo!!! Add the word diet also to the No fat/Low fat deceptive marketing
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
Don't diss pizza. Pizza is fine. It's basically the same ingredients as pasta pomodoro. It's the bad toppings that people put on it that make it unhealthy. Also those frozen things that some people eat, yeah, those are bad for you too.
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
try not to judge too harshly. there very well may be extenuating circumstances that you aren't aware of. many other health conditions (that are hereditary) cause people to gain weight at an alarming rate. as do many medications.
now, it's different if you see that same family in the grocery store filling their cart with nothing but cheesy poofs and coke.
while it also sickens me when I see a child that is fat, and really, what fucking excuse is there for a fat child, save for things I mentioned, there could very well be other issues at play.
it's also not simply diet. mainly, but not entirely.
while the video game craze/sedentary lifestyle came into being in my youth, I still spent the majority of my spring/summer/fall outdoors on my bike or running or whathaveyou. my parents simply did not allow me to spend more than x amount of time in front of the tv. why? my mom was home. that's rare now. supervision of teens/pre-teens is at an all time low.
not only that; video games and the like used to be an exclusively young person activity. now that those people have grown up, so have the games, and thus, people can and do make their own terrible choices of sitting and playing video games for 12 hours and eating pizza and chips and pepsi without fear of reprisal. and don't get me started on binge tv watching. people who do that aren't eating bags of broccoli while they watch a season of Dexter in a day.
Im sorry, but I still say you can feed a family of 4, healthy meals, for less money than junk food. Ive read what you posted, and I disagree on a few points. Maybe I am wrong calling people lazy. Lower income people have less parks, and recreational facilities? Sorry, but walking is free. Walking is a great exercise. I live in a big city, I travel all throughout this city for work. There are grocery stores at every other corner. I find it hard to believe that anywhere in this city, people cant find a store, close to home, that sells healthier food than potato chips, soda pop, and cheeseburgers. But yeah, that article makes some good points. But I have to say, I don't agree with them all.
A big conversation in winnipeg right now is that in our poorest area, dowtown, there are ZERO grocery stores that stock fresh foods of any kind. The local government is trying to bring people downtown to live and shop instead of urban sprawl issues, but no one is going to buy a $300,000 condo and not be able to get groceries.
But its also a conversation as to why; some blame it on the demand. There USED to be grocery stores downtown, but they all died out for lack of business.
And walking around dowtown is pretty widely considered unsafe, whether that perception is correct or not is not the issue. But it is true that the poor poeople that live there have nearly no access to healthy food. If they did, would they use it? Who knows.
I shop at a grocery store 2 miles from the house. You have both middle class and lower income people shopping there. There are a great deal of people who shop using their "Link Card", used to be food stamps, but now its a government issued credit card. I see PLENTY of people, whose carts are overflowing with nothing but junk food, paying for their groceries with their "link card." The produce is available, the lean meats are available, they make the choice to fill their cart with frozen pizzas and potato chips.
Lean meat is $8 a pound. Broccoli, Brussels sprouts tomatoes bell peppers mushrooms a lot of fruit good bread is very expensive. If I buy healthy for weak it costs much more than if I buy hot dogs and cheap buns. So agree you can eat healthy on budget , it is harder. Are people lazy Absolutely. But so are the Haves. Pre- packaged salad, pre cut pineapple pre cut carrots FUCKING SWIFFERS. So The haves are just as lazy but can eat healthy as they can afford it. So most Americans are lazy not just the poor or all "Those" people buying food on their Entitlement cards.
Yeah, but we can argue the cost of meat and we can argue the cost of veggies. Its all about choices.
Whole beef tenderloin $7.99 a lb Boneless pork roast $1.79 a lb
Brussel Sprouts expensive Romaine lettuce $0.69 a lb. Tomatoes $0.99 a lb.
Bell Peppers expensive Green Beans $0.59 a lb.
8lb bag of potatoes $0.99 An order of French Fries? $1.50, and god knows how much it will cost you when you are in the hospital with clogged arteries.
And a bag of frozen mixed vegetables 12oz that serves 3 is $0.98 a bag.
Damn foods cheap in your neck of the woods. 99 cents for 5lbs potatoes? Frozen veggies, tomatoes etc. I need to move. Lettuce no nutritional value. Bad food is cheaper period. Processed created from corn by products will always be cheaper than fresh fruit and veggies. White enriched flour will always be cheaper than good whole grain bread. And cereal etc etc. Add shelf life, foods that spoil will be more expensive for packaging and transportation.
Come on Speedy what's really bugging you. It's the people with the Link cards. Come clean. I know lots of affluent fat white lazy people
Humans are lazy, poor , minority , whites, rich. All humans get endorphin rush from sugars and grease.
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
try not to judge too harshly. there very well may be extenuating circumstances that you aren't aware of. many other health conditions (that are hereditary) cause people to gain weight at an alarming rate. as do many medications.
now, it's different if you see that same family in the grocery store filling their cart with nothing but cheesy poofs and coke.
while it also sickens me when I see a child that is fat, and really, what fucking excuse is there for a fat child, save for things I mentioned, there could very well be other issues at play.
it's also not simply diet. mainly, but not entirely.
while the video game craze/sedentary lifestyle came into being in my youth, I still spent the majority of my spring/summer/fall outdoors on my bike or running or whathaveyou. my parents simply did not allow me to spend more than x amount of time in front of the tv. why? my mom was home. that's rare now. supervision of teens/pre-teens is at an all time low.
not only that; video games and the like used to be an exclusively young person activity. now that those people have grown up, so have the games, and thus, people can and do make their own terrible choices of sitting and playing video games for 12 hours and eating pizza and chips and pepsi without fear of reprisal. and don't get me started on binge tv watching. people who do that aren't eating bags of broccoli while they watch a season of Dexter in a day.
we need to unplug as a society.
Sounds more like excuses. Sure, some people may have conditions that prevent them from losing weight. But that certainly doesn't mean they can't eat healthy. Exercise is cheap. It cost nothing to walk a mile a day. Or do 50 pushups and situps a night.
Damn foods cheap in your neck of the woods. 99 cents for 5lbs potatoes? Frozen veggies, tomatoes etc. I need to move. Lettuce no nutritional value. Bad food is cheaper period. Processed created from corn by products will always be cheaper than fresh fruit and veggies. White enriched flour will always be cheaper than good whole grain bread. And cereal etc etc.
Come on Speedy what's really bugging you. It's the people with the Link cards. Come clean. I know lots of affluent fat white lazy people
Humans are lazy, poor , minority , whites, rich. All humans get endorphin rush from sugars and grease.
What's your real beef ?
I'm guessing prime beef
I don't know Speedy too well, save for his posts going back about as far as mine. Dude strikes me as pretty up-front, so I'd imagine if he had a gripe, it wouldn't be accompanied by a facade.
(ps - what's wrong with lettuce? Fiber aside, much nutritional value from many dark greens)
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
try not to judge too harshly. there very well may be extenuating circumstances that you aren't aware of. many other health conditions (that are hereditary) cause people to gain weight at an alarming rate. as do many medications.
now, it's different if you see that same family in the grocery store filling their cart with nothing but cheesy poofs and coke.
while it also sickens me when I see a child that is fat, and really, what fucking excuse is there for a fat child, save for things I mentioned, there could very well be other issues at play.
it's also not simply diet. mainly, but not entirely.
while the video game craze/sedentary lifestyle came into being in my youth, I still spent the majority of my spring/summer/fall outdoors on my bike or running or whathaveyou. my parents simply did not allow me to spend more than x amount of time in front of the tv. why? my mom was home. that's rare now. supervision of teens/pre-teens is at an all time low.
not only that; video games and the like used to be an exclusively young person activity. now that those people have grown up, so have the games, and thus, people can and do make their own terrible choices of sitting and playing video games for 12 hours and eating pizza and chips and pepsi without fear of reprisal. and don't get me started on binge tv watching. people who do that aren't eating bags of broccoli while they watch a season of Dexter in a day.
we need to unplug as a society.
Sounds more like excuses. Sure, some people may have conditions that prevent them from losing weight. But that certainly doesn't mean they can't eat healthy. Exercise is cheap. It cost nothing to walk a mile a day. Or do 50 pushups and situps a night.
Situps don't make you lose weight. I realize there has to be some accountability but people in the low income classification have so many problems in their lives that food choices unfortunately take a back seat and this leads to the obesity problem. I'm much more shocked when I see white middle class people unhealthy and overweight. They have the resources and education to do something about it. But if you're growing up in a drug infested dead end neighborhood then eating healthy is far down the list of priorities. And there is often no parental guidance in these areas as most of the parents are really children themselves. Plus, people are getting very rich making people fat. It's a hard cycle to break.
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
try not to judge too harshly. there very well may be extenuating circumstances that you aren't aware of. many other health conditions (that are hereditary) cause people to gain weight at an alarming rate. as do many medications.
now, it's different if you see that same family in the grocery store filling their cart with nothing but cheesy poofs and coke.
while it also sickens me when I see a child that is fat, and really, what fucking excuse is there for a fat child, save for things I mentioned, there could very well be other issues at play.
it's also not simply diet. mainly, but not entirely.
while the video game craze/sedentary lifestyle came into being in my youth, I still spent the majority of my spring/summer/fall outdoors on my bike or running or whathaveyou. my parents simply did not allow me to spend more than x amount of time in front of the tv. why? my mom was home. that's rare now. supervision of teens/pre-teens is at an all time low.
not only that; video games and the like used to be an exclusively young person activity. now that those people have grown up, so have the games, and thus, people can and do make their own terrible choices of sitting and playing video games for 12 hours and eating pizza and chips and pepsi without fear of reprisal. and don't get me started on binge tv watching. people who do that aren't eating bags of broccoli while they watch a season of Dexter in a day.
we need to unplug as a society.
Sounds more like excuses. Sure, some people may have conditions that prevent them from losing weight. But that certainly doesn't mean they can't eat healthy. Exercise is cheap. It cost nothing to walk a mile a day. Or do 50 pushups and situps a night.
Situps don't make you lose weight. I realize there has to be some accountability but people in the low income classification have so many problems in their lives that food choices unfortunately take a back seat and this leads to the obesity problem. I'm much more shocked when I see white middle class people unhealthy and overweight. They have the resources and education to do something about it. But if you're growing up in a drug infested dead end neighborhood then eating healthy is far down the list of priorities. And there is often no parental guidance in these areas as most of the parents are really children themselves. Plus, people are getting very rich making people fat. It's a hard cycle to break.
Now here's some empathy. Seeing world through others eyes. How refreshing.
and it's funny.....I see a whole shitload of skinny judgers out there whom I watch what they eat. They have the benefit of a higher metobolic rate. the same person with a different metabolism can eat the same shit and be 10's of pounds different. they are what is called "fat inside". they may not look fat, but they might suffer the same or worse consequence down the road of their habits.
weight is not ALWAYS the biggest indicator of health.
I wouldn't completely write this idea off, Last-12. I'm not completely sold on the idea and I'm not convinced the evidence is conclusive, but there are many reports that talk about certain foods, particularly foods with refined sugars and genetically modified wheat products, that have addictive qualities that are not yet fully understood.
I don't know if this holds true for everyone, but I find certain foods hard to stop eating so I generally don't keep them around. If I had a bag of chips next to me while writing this I would probably eat the whole damn thing! I remember buying a box of cookies once and opening it on the way home and by the time I got home it was empty... and no, I wasn't driving stoned, haha!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Yeah, but this here is about obesity, which is a little more than just overweight, in my opinion... Both extremes are weird and can't be healthy in the long run. Moderation is the key.
Please, Pearl Jam, consider a Benaroya Hall vinyl reissue!
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
try not to judge too harshly. there very well may be extenuating circumstances that you aren't aware of. many other health conditions (that are hereditary) cause people to gain weight at an alarming rate. as do many medications.
now, it's different if you see that same family in the grocery store filling their cart with nothing but cheesy poofs and coke.
while it also sickens me when I see a child that is fat, and really, what fucking excuse is there for a fat child, save for things I mentioned, there could very well be other issues at play.
it's also not simply diet. mainly, but not entirely.
while the video game craze/sedentary lifestyle came into being in my youth, I still spent the majority of my spring/summer/fall outdoors on my bike or running or whathaveyou. my parents simply did not allow me to spend more than x amount of time in front of the tv. why? my mom was home. that's rare now. supervision of teens/pre-teens is at an all time low.
not only that; video games and the like used to be an exclusively young person activity. now that those people have grown up, so have the games, and thus, people can and do make their own terrible choices of sitting and playing video games for 12 hours and eating pizza and chips and pepsi without fear of reprisal. and don't get me started on binge tv watching. people who do that aren't eating bags of broccoli while they watch a season of Dexter in a day.
we need to unplug as a society.
Sounds more like excuses. Sure, some people may have conditions that prevent them from losing weight. But that certainly doesn't mean they can't eat healthy. Exercise is cheap. It cost nothing to walk a mile a day. Or do 50 pushups and situps a night.
Situps don't make you lose weight. I realize there has to be some accountability but people in the low income classification have so many problems in their lives that food choices unfortunately take a back seat and this leads to the obesity problem. I'm much more shocked when I see white middle class people unhealthy and overweight. They have the resources and education to do something about it. But if you're growing up in a drug infested dead end neighborhood then eating healthy is far down the list of priorities. And there is often no parental guidance in these areas as most of the parents are really children themselves. Plus, people are getting very rich making people fat. It's a hard cycle to break.
Again, you're making excuses for people. I am well aware of circumstances that don't allow people to eats fruits and vegetables with every meal. But staying in shape with simple calisthenics do make you lose weight. And doesn't cost a dime.
Not every person living below the poverty line is over weight.
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
try not to judge too harshly. there very well may be extenuating circumstances that you aren't aware of. many other health conditions (that are hereditary) cause people to gain weight at an alarming rate. as do many medications.
now, it's different if you see that same family in the grocery store filling their cart with nothing but cheesy poofs and coke.
while it also sickens me when I see a child that is fat, and really, what fucking excuse is there for a fat child, save for things I mentioned, there could very well be other issues at play.
it's also not simply diet. mainly, but not entirely.
while the video game craze/sedentary lifestyle came into being in my youth, I still spent the majority of my spring/summer/fall outdoors on my bike or running or whathaveyou. my parents simply did not allow me to spend more than x amount of time in front of the tv. why? my mom was home. that's rare now. supervision of teens/pre-teens is at an all time low.
not only that; video games and the like used to be an exclusively young person activity. now that those people have grown up, so have the games, and thus, people can and do make their own terrible choices of sitting and playing video games for 12 hours and eating pizza and chips and pepsi without fear of reprisal. and don't get me started on binge tv watching. people who do that aren't eating bags of broccoli while they watch a season of Dexter in a day.
we need to unplug as a society.
Sounds more like excuses. Sure, some people may have conditions that prevent them from losing weight. But that certainly doesn't mean they can't eat healthy. Exercise is cheap. It cost nothing to walk a mile a day. Or do 50 pushups and situps a night.
Situps don't make you lose weight. I realize there has to be some accountability but people in the low income classification have so many problems in their lives that food choices unfortunately take a back seat and this leads to the obesity problem. I'm much more shocked when I see white middle class people unhealthy and overweight. They have the resources and education to do something about it. But if you're growing up in a drug infested dead end neighborhood then eating healthy is far down the list of priorities. And there is often no parental guidance in these areas as most of the parents are really children themselves. Plus, people are getting very rich making people fat. It's a hard cycle to break.
Again, you're making excuses for people. I am well aware of circumstances that don't allow people to eats fruits and vegetables with every meal. But staying in shape with simple calisthenics do make you lose weight. And doesn't cost a dime.
Not every person living below the poverty line is over weight.
I don't think it's an excuse as much as a lack of knowledge. How many people here know that a can of coke contains 40 grams of sugar? That's more than your daily recommended allowance of sugar for the whole day. Do you think people in low income areas know this? You could eat vegetables all day long but if you drink several cans of coke a day you're going to be fat. Most people eat the way they are taught without thinking if it's good or bad. Yeah, it's easy to know that a McDonald's burger is bad for you but it's hard to know that a bottle of water flavored with lemon is actually full of sugar. It's hard to know that foods listed as 'fat free' will in reality make you fat.
Information is out there, and most people - via cell phones, computers, etc. - have access to a world of knowledge. Whether they choose to use it is another story.
How can someone not know that Coke has a shitload of sugar? How hard is it to read labels?
We all crave the hit. Be it sex, cars, music, drugs jewelry etc. For many that have limited choices to get the Hit they turn to that surgery drink. Rather than that bowl of grass. Add the very effective marketing machines incredible knowledge of the human brain, it's no wonder we as a nation are overweight.
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.
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I am sure a lot of you here could say the same thing.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I always tell a story of a friend of mine who was managing a restaurant, this happened a year or two ago. At the end of the night he asked an 18 year old girl to sweep up the lobby. 10 minutes later he walked to the lobby to observe what the hell was taking so long. Hearing him tell the story cracks me up. The girl had no idea how to sweep a floor. Not a clue what she was doing. She didn't have a clue how to even hold the damn broom.
She was 18 years old.
That is scary.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
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I was also thinking about how frugality brought about innovation in the generations before us. Not just areas like the South but in other countries as well. How every part of an animal was used, how foods were stretched using other ingredients, how food itself wasn't wasted.
The article takes fat people off the hooks for poor choices and poor lifestyles.
Dignin... the article you referenced offers reasons why people have failed to develop a healthy home life. The reasons are legitimate, but not excuses by any stretch of the imagination. It does require effort to maintain a healthy lifestyle, but it is far from impossible.
Pizzas tastes awesome. Cheeseburgers taste great. Way better than stew in the slow cooker and easier and quicker to get in my stomach as well. However, that food is horrible for me with disastrous consequences for me and like every other simple fool out there... I understand this.
I still recall waiting on a plane and watching an obese couple with their obeses 5 year old waddling into the cabin- wheezing from their efforts. Fukin idiots. It's one thing to become an obese pig yourself.. it's quite another to allow your 5 year old son to become one too. I wanted to slap both of them. As far as I was concerned, these two losers had committed a crime.
www.headstonesband.com
now, it's different if you see that same family in the grocery store filling their cart with nothing but cheesy poofs and coke.
while it also sickens me when I see a child that is fat, and really, what fucking excuse is there for a fat child, save for things I mentioned, there could very well be other issues at play.
it's also not simply diet. mainly, but not entirely.
while the video game craze/sedentary lifestyle came into being in my youth, I still spent the majority of my spring/summer/fall outdoors on my bike or running or whathaveyou. my parents simply did not allow me to spend more than x amount of time in front of the tv. why? my mom was home. that's rare now. supervision of teens/pre-teens is at an all time low.
not only that; video games and the like used to be an exclusively young person activity. now that those people have grown up, so have the games, and thus, people can and do make their own terrible choices of sitting and playing video games for 12 hours and eating pizza and chips and pepsi without fear of reprisal. and don't get me started on binge tv watching. people who do that aren't eating bags of broccoli while they watch a season of Dexter in a day.
we need to unplug as a society.
www.headstonesband.com
Come on Speedy what's really bugging you. It's the people with the Link cards. Come clean. I know lots of affluent fat white lazy people
Humans are lazy, poor , minority , whites, rich. All humans get endorphin rush from sugars and grease.
What's your real beef ?
I don't know Speedy too well, save for his posts going back about as far as mine. Dude strikes me as pretty up-front, so I'd imagine if he had a gripe, it wouldn't be accompanied by a facade.
(ps - what's wrong with lettuce? Fiber aside, much nutritional value from many dark greens)
I realize there has to be some accountability but people in the low income classification have so many problems in their lives that food choices unfortunately take a back seat and this leads to the obesity problem. I'm much more shocked when I see white middle class people unhealthy and overweight. They have the resources and education to do something about it. But if you're growing up in a drug infested dead end neighborhood then eating healthy is far down the list of priorities. And there is often no parental guidance in these areas as most of the parents are really children themselves. Plus, people are getting very rich making people fat. It's a hard cycle to break.
weight is not ALWAYS the biggest indicator of health.
www.headstonesband.com
I don't know if this holds true for everyone, but I find certain foods hard to stop eating so I generally don't keep them around. If I had a bag of chips next to me while writing this I would probably eat the whole damn thing! I remember buying a box of cookies once and opening it on the way home and by the time I got home it was empty... and no, I wasn't driving stoned, haha!
Not every person living below the poverty line is over weight.
Information is out there, and most people - via cell phones, computers, etc. - have access to a world of knowledge. Whether they choose to use it is another story.
How can someone not know that Coke has a shitload of sugar? How hard is it to read labels?
It's so easy to judge. Harder to have empathy to see reason humans are the way they are. Guess therapy for some to express their perceived superiority.