I dont care about vinyl

lolobugg · February 2015

paulonious said:

lolobugg said:

paulonious said:
why is mono now better than stereo?
That was the way it was originally recorded by the Beatles
oh, so it's not better, it's just that was how it was originally done? I just see Jack White recording stuff in mono, and was wondering why that seems to be preferred for vinyl somehow?

yeah, the stereo separation always sounded weird to me on Beatles albums. up until the White Album they recorded everything in MONO. so we have actually been hearing some engineers mix all these years in STEREO. The Beatles didn't have input in those mixes.

As for Jack, I think he ended up recording MONO by accident. He was set to record live on RSD last year and the lathe broke the day before while testing so the MONO lathe was the only one he could find at short notice. at least that is the story I heard.

I actually had a ticket for that RSD show in the blue room but could only get one ticket so I ended up selling it.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2015

I thought there was some white stripes studio vinyl released in mono, no?

PJ_Soul · February 2015

Last-12-Exit said:
I guess you just have to be a fan. Because in no way do I think that the scratchy sound of vinyl is better than a cd.

Vinyl isn't scratchy unless it's scratched or scuffed or generally in poor condition. A record in great condition has no surface noise.

It is definitely a bummer when you get a record that doesn't sound any good just because it was poorly mastered. But oh, the ones that are done right - so amazing.

lolobugg · February 2015

paulonious said:
I thought there was some white stripes studio vinyl released in mono, no?

Yeah. Icky Thump MONO version was issued as the 1st Vault release....
I was trying to forget that one... my ex-wife got it in the divorce.

Your main man Billy Corgan also released Adore as MONO only on vinyl. I honestly can't tell much difference but then again I don't have a MONO stylus.

Last-12-Exit · February 2015

2-feign-reluctance said:
time to change that OP!

Why?

lolobugg · February 2015

Speaking of Mr. White....
I had a friend of a friend who was on the Sympathy 4 the R.I. label with the White Stripes offer to sell me this record for $1000..... too rich for my blood. it is kind of the "Benny" of the Third Man World although to me it is just a novelty.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jack-whites-third-man-creates-3rpm-record-20120328

HughFreakingDillon · February 2015

lolobugg said:

paulonious said:
I thought there was some white stripes studio vinyl released in mono, no?
Yeah. Icky Thump MONO version was issued as the 1st Vault release....
I was trying to forget that one... my ex-wife got it in the divorce.

Your main man Billy Corgan also released Adore as MONO only on vinyl. I honestly can't tell much difference but then again I don't have a MONO stylus.

my main man? LOL

adore is one of my least favourite records. I have never understood why so many pumpkins fans look at it like a masterpiece.

lolobugg · February 2015

paulonious said:

lolobugg said:

paulonious said:
I thought there was some white stripes studio vinyl released in mono, no?
Yeah. Icky Thump MONO version was issued as the 1st Vault release....
I was trying to forget that one... my ex-wife got it in the divorce.

Your main man Billy Corgan also released Adore as MONO only on vinyl. I honestly can't tell much difference but then again I don't have a MONO stylus.
my main man? LOL

adore is one of my least favourite records. I have never understood why so many pumpkins fans look at it like a masterpiece.

Well... personally it took a long time to get into it for me
but I think it is one of my favorite "Sad Bastard" albums
it makes the list... along with TGA "Get Hurt", Counting Crows "Recovering the Satellites", John Lennon's "Plastic Ono Band", Blind Melon's "Soup".... now there is a collection.

MedozK · February 2015

paulonious said:
why is mono now better than stereo?

To me the best thing about The Beatles in Mono box set is that it is 100% All-Analog

my2hands · February 2015

MedozK said:

Last-12-Exit said:
I guess you just have to be a fan. Because in no way do I think that the scratchy sound of vinyl is better than a cd.
Nicely pressed vinyl are as quiet as any CD, with more depth.

I recently got my TT up and running... popped on Neil Young Massey Hall and was blown away by the sound quality, I thought Neil was in my living room... and i have a very basic setup

Ledbetterman10 · February 2015

paulonious said:
why is mono now better than stereo?

Well for The Beatles in particular, the reason I prefer them in mono is because there's several songs where vocals are isolated to one side (the lead vocal in Eleanor Rigby being the most annoying instance for me). Put all the other instruments and sounds where you want, but I want the lead vocal (and to a lesser extent, the drums) centered. Mr. Kite is another example where the lead vocal is isolated one one side in stereo. It blows. All the Beatles songs on my iPhone are in mono because of this. I can't listen to the Beatles in stereo with headphones on....at least for the albums up until The White Album.

The Yellow Submarine "Songtrack" that was released in 1999 is interesting. It's in stereo, but a few of the songs that had vocals isolated to one side on their original stereo releases (Eleanor Rigby, Sgt. Peppers, Hey Bulldog, Nowhere Man among others) have the vocals centered but the rest of the instruments in their original stereo spots. I love it. It's as if whoever mixed that in 1999 thought to themselves "why the fuck is Paul's voice all the way over THERE on Eleanor Rigby?" Unfortunately, the stereo remasters of 2009, as awesome of the are, have the vocals where they originally were for the stereo mixes of the 60's. Bummer. But the mono albums released also in 2009 compliment them so that's cool. But in a perfect world (for me), stereo versions of Please Please Me through Magical Mystery Tour would have all the instruments as they were in their original stereo releases...but with the vocals centered like on the 1999 Yellow Submarine disc.

As for the thread topic, I also don't care about vinyl. At all.

darthvedder · February 2015

PJ_Soul said:

It is definitely a bummer when you get a record that doesn't sound any good just because it was poorly mastered. But oh, the ones that are done right - so amazing.

You can say the exact same thing for digital. Format doesn't matter as much as the mastering.

Hobbes · February 2015

paulonious said:
why is mono now better than stereo?

When it comes to the Beatles, they did a rush job pressing the stereo version to get them out in time for the holidays. They took their time with the Mono.

PJ_Soul · February 2015

darthvedder said:

PJ_Soul said:

It is definitely a bummer when you get a record that doesn't sound any good just because it was poorly mastered. But oh, the ones that are done right - so amazing.
You can say the exact same thing for digital. Format doesn't matter as much as the mastering.

True, however, I absolutely hear the difference between CD and vinyl. It's obvious. CDs sound more crisp and sharp, vinyl sounds warmer. I prefer the warm, rich sound that only vinyl has. This IS due to the format. Even if the exact same source were used, vinyl would sound better to me.

HesCalledDyer · February 2015

paulonious said:

lolobugg said:

paulonious said:
I thought there was some white stripes studio vinyl released in mono, no?
Yeah. Icky Thump MONO version was issued as the 1st Vault release....
I was trying to forget that one... my ex-wife got it in the divorce.

Your main man Billy Corgan also released Adore as MONO only on vinyl. I honestly can't tell much difference but then again I don't have a MONO stylus.
my main man? LOL

adore is one of my least favourite records. I have never understood why so many pumpkins fans look at it like a masterpiece.

Never understood it either. A friend of mine always tells me I'm insane for thinking Gish & Siamese Dream are the Pumpkins best work. He, too, is an Adore fan. Another friend and I always joke about how this guy likes the worst albums by the best bands.

BIGDaddyWil · February 2015

my2hands said:

MedozK said:

Last-12-Exit said:
I guess you just have to be a fan. Because in no way do I think that the scratchy sound of vinyl is better than a cd.
Nicely pressed vinyl are as quiet as any CD, with more depth.
I recently got my TT up and running... popped on Neil Young Massey Hall and was blown away by the sound quality, I thought Neil was in my living room... and i have a very basic setup

Most of Uncle Neil's stuff sounds excellent on vinyl, Reprise Records!

smarchee · February 2015

but have you tried listening to vinyl................................with weed

PJ_Soul · February 2015

BIGDaddyWil said:

my2hands said:

MedozK said:

Last-12-Exit said:
I guess you just have to be a fan. Because in no way do I think that the scratchy sound of vinyl is better than a cd.
Nicely pressed vinyl are as quiet as any CD, with more depth.
I recently got my TT up and running... popped on Neil Young Massey Hall and was blown away by the sound quality, I thought Neil was in my living room... and i have a very basic setup

Most of Uncle Neil's stuff sounds excellent on vinyl, Reprise Records!

Indeed!

(sweet! I can finally quote on my phone again!)

bootlegger10 · February 2015

Last-12-Exit said:

2-feign-reluctance said:
time to change that OP!
Why?

I think the sound is probably better with the right sound system, but the money drain of vinyl would prevent me from diving in. I love music but hearing 85% of the range of the song is good enough for me.

Uncle Snuffy · February 2015

I have a difficult time listening to vinyl when I go for a run. The needle keeps skipping. Guess I will go back to using my iPod.

- Uncle Snuffy

cutz · February 2015

smarchee said:
but have you tried listening to vinyl................................with weed

Just about every time when i was buying Vinyl in the 70's.

I STILL prefer vinyl.

jerparker20 · February 2015

smarchee said:
but have you tried listening to vinyl................................with weed

I did once. While recovering from a backiotomy.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2015

I dont understand the phrase "warm sound of vinyl". I hear that said all the time, but have never understood the meaning. Maybe if i heard a good vinyl setup and then the same song on cd or ipod i might get it, but so far, i aint hearing it.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · February 2015

Last-12-Exit said:
I really don't like to even listen to records. It's a poor sound quality.
Sorry, just wanted to say that.

So your interest in PJ vinyl is null?

buck502000 · February 2015

I like the sound of the best music on the best medium

PJammer4life · February 2015

A song I've heard a thousand times on CD can sound brand new and fresh on vinyl. It becomes brighter, fuller, sometimes feels like a live listening experience.