BS: How is it our "duty" Who made it our duty? That's a control issue the US has, not something mandated by God. It's a massive personality disorder and we are deluded in thinking we can control the world.
Last 12, I know plenty of Vietnam vets. I came within a few weeks of being drafted myself just as the "war" ended. Many of those guys still ask "Why the hell were we there?" But OK, call it a war. No point in arguing over semantics. I think we can all (or almost all) agree that conflict was a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
Also, I won't argue with anyone who believes world peace is unattainable. That's just too self defeating and unproductive. As for "maintaining order"- we never will do that, not for long anyway- that has never lasted, never will. Until we learn to leave peacefully and productively, we will only make matters worse. History has proven that. We will go the way of all ruling empires. Greece, Rome, Great Britain, U.S.A. It's all right there in history. I'm probably not going to convince anyone of that am I, but there it is. Peace!
PLEASE NOTE: Where I've made mention of a personality disorder I am using the term somewhat metaphorically to refer to a collective, not an individual. That is not meant to be an individual attack on any one person here or elsewhere. It is a generalization.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
BS yes WWII worked out okay. I am though convinced that having a Christian nation go into a Muslim culture and kill for perceived good will never work. And for every human killed due to US action there will be 20 that will rise up against us. Try to put yourself in the shoes of an Iraqi and having your brother or uncle killed due to US munitions. The stared goal of removing the bad guys is lost. We the US or western nations will not succeed, this has happened time and time again.
There is a slim opportunity to make this bit better by having Jordanians and other nations address ISIS. Our troops and military action will kill this opportunity.
Do though recognize the money driving our military doesn't care as military intervention will protect the oil fields along with keeping the war industry profitable.
BS yes WWII worked out okay. I am though convinced that having a Christian nation go into a Muslim culture and kill for perceived good will never work. And for every human killed due to US action there will be 20 that will rise up against us. Try to put yourself in the shoes of an Iraqi and having your brother or uncle killed due to US munitions. The stared goal of removing the bad guys is lost. We the US or western nations will not succeed, this has happened time and time again.
There is a slim opportunity to make this bit better by having Jordanians and other nations address ISIS. Our troops and military action will kill this opportunity.
Do though recognize the money driving our military doesn't care as military intervention will protect the oil fields along with keeping the war industry profitable.
I'll never forget the pained look on the father/grandfather in Farenheit 9-11as he ran by the US military caravan clutching the limp and lifeless body of a young boy (presumably a son or grandson).
It was that moment when I 'completely' understood the rage many of the Iraqi people had towards US forces. If I spent my days ducking missiles and pulling relatives out from rubble, I would likely be looking to get my hands on the people responsible for the upheaval.
I don't have the answer to the current problem that has developed, but I agree with you here that even if IS was eradicated, a new hostile faction would present itself given the deep resentment many are harboring. It's an unwinable situation.
If Jordan asserts itself in this current struggle, it would be wise to allow them while taking steps to bail out. How long does the US plan on occupying the area? How long can it before all Hell breaks loose?
All hell has broken loose. I wish Jordan the best of luck but there is a good chance that their Kingdom will fall to the Islamists while we twiddle our thumbs.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
BS, some people would say something like, "so what?" American greed is ascendant, obesity is ascendant, war spending is ascendant...yada yada yada. If we keep on the current path it is only a matter of time till we will obliterate our species, should they bomb us for it?
The question you avoid is what gives us the right to tell the other side of the world how to live?
I have not avoided it. Nothing gives us the right. We can either choose to insert ourselves into the horror or we can let it proceed. But make no mistake it will proceed.
Please DONT associate any form of Islam with ISIS, because for the millionth time, Isis IS NOT Islam. No matter what they say through your tv's, DONT BE FOOLED.
I understand they aren't the same, my point is that there are a whole lot of problems facing us and extremism isn't the only one, nor the biggest one. Dropping bombs half the world away shouldn't be a priority for the average American, and yet, people let the media rile them into a frenzy about ISIS while Citizens Unites erodes the foundation of our government.
I think the point rgambs is trying to make (correct me if I'm wrong, rg) is that the so-called threat of isis to us no more than (and probably far less) than that of any number of other things including obesity. Some are very quick to respond to the fear response that we are fed.
And I think bb's point is well taken- we are being conditioned to hate all things Muslim and Islamic by this fear mongering. It's like believing all black people want to knock you out with a blow to the head or all Christians harass people with religious tracts or all Zen Buddhists believe you should become a plum tree. So much unsubstantiated fear.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Obese people kill themselves and not other people and what gives you the right to insist that they be skinny? This is just silly. Also ISIS is governed by a version of Islam whether you are willing to accept this or not. It is what the first "I" stands for. This cannot be denied. It is rapidly crowding out the more moderate strains. One can easily state this without "conditioning people to hate all things Muslim and Islamic". If anything I am the one arguing for the protection of muslims from the radicals. After all ISIS is killing far more muslims then christians and/or jews.
Ya, that makes them REAL Muslims. Hahaha, you know how fucken lame that sounds? "We're Isis, now excuse us while we burn our fellow Muslim brothers." Ya, REAL Muslims.
Why do you guys keep asking about Islam or Isis? You guys already made up your minds. Oh wait, sorry, faux has made up your minds.
Edit-and I'll DENY isis of ever being Muslim until I die.
If they are the only ones left standing then they become the REAL muslims. You denying this until the day you die does not affect their conquest in the slightest.
Dude, it FUCKEN BLOWS my mind how YOU can't see what the fuck is going on. I'm flabbergasted at how you choose to keep your eyes closed. Wake up man. In this day and age, with ALL the info you can get out there, this is the way you choose to live? To believe in fear, to live in fear? Really? Unreal man, really. Wake up.
Only ones left standing, holyshit, do you hear yourself? A group of fucken 75,000 terrorists, are gonna be the last Muslims standing? That's fucken comical. With ALL those militaries in the Middle East, wow, now I've heard it all. Fucken comical.
"Fear is your, fear is your, fear is your only god"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Obese people kill themselves and not other people and what gives you the right to insist that they be skinny? This is just silly. Also ISIS is governed by a version of Islam whether you are willing to accept this or not. It is what the first "I" stands for. This cannot be denied. It is rapidly crowding out the more moderate strains. One can easily state this without "conditioning people to hate all things Muslim and Islamic". If anything I am the one arguing for the protection of muslims from the radicals. After all ISIS is killing far more muslims then christians and/or jews.
Nice post BS.
If anything, wrong or right ispiss is committing evil acts dicted from the quran. The world is waking up to the fact that ispiss under the guise of not being islam can spread.
Apostasy will help no one. Bombing will help no one. Religion helps some but harms others. Peace can not be accomplished when there is fear of abandoning the prophet ways.
Muslim, Christian, hindu, whatever the fuck else religion you want to assert can be used to accomplish fear and atrocity.
Stonings, lashings, amputations and throwing people off buildings because this prophet guy preaches it does not help anyone. Radicalization of any religion that spreads this evil unto our freedom has to stop and it's best to start on the soil from which it's born.
I feel islam in under pressure right now because too many atrocities are happening that are guided by the quran yet this massive party of ispiss and islam states they are not islam.
Obese people kill themselves and not other people and what gives you the right to insist that they be skinny? This is just silly. Also ISIS is governed by a version of Islam whether you are willing to accept this or not. It is what the first "I" stands for. This cannot be denied. It is rapidly crowding out the more moderate strains. One can easily state this without "conditioning people to hate all things Muslim and Islamic". If anything I am the one arguing for the protection of muslims from the radicals. After all ISIS is killing far more muslims then christians and/or jews.
Obese people do impact others BS not just themselves.Just as Smokers do.These folks poor life choices result in a heavy burden on the health care system,increases in insurance rates,increase pharmaceutical costs and its a gold mine big industry peddling all there fake diet food bullshit.
This issue alone is of a much greater threat to our society and well being then the jerk offs in the Middle East,SE Asia and Africa.
Go to any area where people are in masses like a mall or ball game.This is a fat fucking country.Count them as they walk by .80% are unhealthily over weight.This is a real threat.
Ya, that makes them REAL Muslims. Hahaha, you know how fucken lame that sounds? "We're Isis, now excuse us while we burn our fellow Muslim brothers." Ya, REAL Muslims.
Why do you guys keep asking about Islam or Isis? You guys already made up your minds. Oh wait, sorry, faux has made up your minds.
Edit-and I'll DENY isis of ever being Muslim until I die.
1.7 BILLION Muslims and this clown calls their prophet "dick". Unreal. Is that an atheist trate? To call other peoples prophet a dick? I know a shit load of atheists and they may not believe in a god, but they sure do respect others peoples choices when it comes to said prophets or gods.
Fyi Badbrains...I am NOT ok with that "prophet dick" line. I know you have no love for me but I hope you recognize that is not something I have ever condoned.
You knows RR, you're absolutely right man. I keep telling myself to not let it bother me but it's a sickness man. You see so much hate thrown at something you know they are WRONG about, and you think maybe somehow they can see the truth but in reality, they've already made up their minds and come on here looking for some reactions, pushing, poking, like a sickness.
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Last 12, I know plenty of Vietnam vets. I came within a few weeks of being drafted myself just as the "war" ended. Many of those guys still ask "Why the hell were we there?" But OK, call it a war. No point in arguing over semantics. I think we can all (or almost all) agree that conflict was a clusterfuck of epic proportions.
Also, I won't argue with anyone who believes world peace is unattainable. That's just too self defeating and unproductive. As for "maintaining order"- we never will do that, not for long anyway- that has never lasted, never will. Until we learn to leave peacefully and productively, we will only make matters worse. History has proven that. We will go the way of all ruling empires. Greece, Rome, Great Britain, U.S.A. It's all right there in history. I'm probably not going to convince anyone of that am I, but there it is. Peace!
PLEASE NOTE: Where I've made mention of a personality disorder I am using the term somewhat metaphorically to refer to a collective, not an individual. That is not meant to be an individual attack on any one person here or elsewhere. It is a generalization.
There is a slim opportunity to make this bit better by having Jordanians and other nations address ISIS. Our troops and military action will kill this opportunity.
Do though recognize the money driving our military doesn't care as military intervention will protect the oil fields along with keeping the war industry profitable.
I'll never forget the pained look on the father/grandfather in Farenheit 9-11as he ran by the US military caravan clutching the limp and lifeless body of a young boy (presumably a son or grandson).
It was that moment when I 'completely' understood the rage many of the Iraqi people had towards US forces. If I spent my days ducking missiles and pulling relatives out from rubble, I would likely be looking to get my hands on the people responsible for the upheaval.
I don't have the answer to the current problem that has developed, but I agree with you here that even if IS was eradicated, a new hostile faction would present itself given the deep resentment many are harboring. It's an unwinable situation.
If Jordan asserts itself in this current struggle, it would be wise to allow them while taking steps to bail out. How long does the US plan on occupying the area? How long can it before all Hell breaks loose?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Islamic extremism is ascendant. If we stay on the path we are currently on then it is only a matter of time.
The question you avoid is what gives us the right to tell the other side of the world how to live?
http://www.vox.com/cards/things-about-isis-you-need-to-know/what-is-isis
truth? or more media bullshit?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article39794.htm
And why not???? Obesity is killing far more people than ISIS is!
So is old age. Come on, man.
And I think bb's point is well taken- we are being conditioned to hate all things Muslim and Islamic by this fear mongering. It's like believing all black people want to knock you out with a blow to the head or all Christians harass people with religious tracts or all Zen Buddhists believe you should become a plum tree. So much unsubstantiated fear.
Why do you guys keep asking about Islam or Isis? You guys already made up your minds. Oh wait, sorry, faux has made up your minds.
Edit-and I'll DENY isis of ever being Muslim until I die.
Only ones left standing, holyshit, do you hear yourself? A group of fucken 75,000 terrorists, are gonna be the last Muslims standing? That's fucken comical. With ALL those militaries in the Middle East, wow, now I've heard it all. Fucken comical.
"Fear is your, fear is your, fear is your only god"
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/black-men-were-burned-alive-bible-belt
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Nice post BS.
If anything, wrong or right ispiss is committing evil acts dicted from the quran. The world is waking up to the fact that ispiss under the guise of not being islam can spread.
Apostasy will help no one. Bombing will help no one. Religion helps some but harms others. Peace can not be accomplished when there is fear of abandoning the prophet ways.
Muslim, Christian, hindu, whatever the fuck else religion you want to assert can be used to accomplish fear and atrocity.
Stonings, lashings, amputations and throwing people off buildings because this prophet guy preaches it does not help anyone. Radicalization of any religion that spreads this evil unto our freedom has to stop and it's best to start on the soil from which it's born.
I feel islam in under pressure right now because too many atrocities are happening that are guided by the quran yet this massive party of ispiss and islam states they are not islam.
Obese people do impact others BS not just themselves.Just as Smokers do.These folks poor life choices result in a heavy burden on the health care system,increases in insurance rates,increase pharmaceutical costs and its a gold mine big industry peddling all there fake diet food bullshit.
This issue alone is of a much greater threat to our society and well being then the jerk offs in the Middle East,SE Asia and Africa.
Go to any area where people are in masses like a mall or ball game.This is a fat fucking country.Count them as they walk by .80% are unhealthily over weight.This is a real threat.
Why do you still let this get under your skin?
and jebus
edit - wollypops for all, I apologize