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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited February 2015
    Hey TB,

    good point and I struggle with this as well. So go back to understanding human behavior and think having Christians come in and Help some Muslims kill other Muslims is not the answer. Think Saudi's and Jordanians and other humans in region need to lead though just prefer humans just face facts about holy things but that's not popular.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Read headline on CNN this AM. inflammatory language to rile up the masses. Know I pick on fox but CNN just as bad. Afraid the media machine is buttering up the American public to again engage the Evil Doers. Would hope Americans have learned and remember but we'll see.

    Thinking defense industry stocks may be good buy folks. The war machine is churning.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,234
    badbrains wrote: »
    Pd, your "Killing the evil imo is the only way to eradicate them" can also be used as a charter for Isis.

    How many innocent civilians have we killed since 2003 in Iraq? How many of them were BURNED by our own bombs? How many innocent Palestinian women and children were murdered while we all sat by and watched the kardashians? And now all of a sudden, we want to save the world. I'm not buying it.

    Edit-I forgot to add to the list all the raping "some" of our fucked up soldiers committed against teenage boys over there. Amazing how that goes unanswered.

    Dude, weren't you advocating throwing ISIS out of helicopters a few pages ago?

    Naturally I get your point, but lets try to remain rational. comparing the evil of ISIS to the American forces is a bit of a stretch. Like I say I get where you are going.....
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    I did and I also said let Assad take care Isis.
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,234
    badbrains wrote: »
    I did and I also said let Assad take care Isis.

    if its as easy as crushing them in 3 days, he really could get on and do that. He makes it sound like swatting a fly.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited February 2015
    PD no matter the superiority of weapons/forces we will never be able to crush them. And collateral damage (innocents killed) will ensure the continuation of hate. We have this now and our actions partially contributed to creation of ISIS. Oh yeah and our military hardware.

    And if anyone is in favor of using ground forces take your ass to recruiter and go.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,234
    callen wrote: »
    PD no matter the superiority of weapons/forces we will never be able to crush them. And collateral damage (innocents killed) will ensure the continuation of hate. We have this now and our actions partially contributed to creation of ISIS. Oh yeah and our military hardware.

    And if anyone is in favor of using ground forces take your ass to recruiter and go.

    Im pretty certain its not that easy. and the continuation of hate can only be stayed by them fixing this 'war' locally. even then its questionable, but that would provide a chance at least.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    how can someone rationally expect that it is possible to eradicate an extreme ideology by killing people? history has shown it does not work.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,234
    paulonious wrote: »
    how can someone rationally expect that it is possible to eradicate an extreme ideology by killing people? history has shown it does not work.

    good question but it seems a better idea than allowing them to continue what they are.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    how can someone rationally expect that it is possible to eradicate an extreme ideology by killing people? history has shown it does not work.

    good question but it seems a better idea than allowing them to continue what they are.

    and what are they? sure, they commit some horrific acts. but so do a lot of GOVERNMENTS in Africa. where's the outrage there?

    because they don't claim to be muslim. nor do we give a shit about their resources.

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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    American hostage has been killed in Jordan's retaliation. Probably the best way for her to go, all things considered.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    What is the exit strategy? Do people really think we should invade every country with problems and maintain bases there? Where does it fucking end? Bases in Japan and Germany getting defended on here like they are saving the world, that is simply ridiculous. We spend more of "defense" (what a fucking joke to call our imperialism defense) than the next 10 biggest spenders combined. And then we dicker over fucking retirement ages, immigrants, and food stamps like that's what's killing our society. What a fucking joke we have become and make no mistake, it is the conservative mentality that fuels it.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    American troops will now be on the ground. You can count on that.
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,234
    paulonious wrote: »
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    how can someone rationally expect that it is possible to eradicate an extreme ideology by killing people? history has shown it does not work.

    good question but it seems a better idea than allowing them to continue what they are.

    and what are they? sure, they commit some horrific acts. but so do a lot of GOVERNMENTS in Africa. where's the outrage there?

    because they don't claim to be muslim. nor do we give a shit about their resources.

    a terrorist organisation the world doesn't need. Last time I checked the similar versions in Africa were also in need of removal.......
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,234
    Cliffy6745 wrote: »
    American hostage has been killed in Jordan's retaliation. Probably the best way for her to go, all things considered.

    Yeah, if there is such a thing as the best way to go, in that situation I figure you got it right. I cant even start to think the shock factors they could have conjured up in executing a woman in new low of barbarity.

    Perhaps this terrible incident (if confirmed) might give some more intelligence as to where these people are being held, and where that mask wearing coward spends his time
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    how can someone rationally expect that it is possible to eradicate an extreme ideology by killing people? history has shown it does not work.

    good question but it seems a better idea than allowing them to continue what they are.

    and what are they? sure, they commit some horrific acts. but so do a lot of GOVERNMENTS in Africa. where's the outrage there?

    because they don't claim to be muslim. nor do we give a shit about their resources.

    a terrorist organisation the world doesn't need. Last time I checked the similar versions in Africa were also in need of removal.......

    but we don't remove them. and that's my point. why risk lives to "remove" this terrorist organization? because of political and economic interests, and nothing more. you can't eradicate an ideology. trying to only strengthens their resolve and helps recruit more soldiers.

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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,234
    paulonious wrote: »
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    how can someone rationally expect that it is possible to eradicate an extreme ideology by killing people? history has shown it does not work.

    good question but it seems a better idea than allowing them to continue what they are.

    and what are they? sure, they commit some horrific acts. but so do a lot of GOVERNMENTS in Africa. where's the outrage there?

    because they don't claim to be muslim. nor do we give a shit about their resources.

    a terrorist organisation the world doesn't need. Last time I checked the similar versions in Africa were also in need of removal.......

    but we don't remove them. and that's my point. why risk lives to "remove" this terrorist organization? because of political and economic interests, and nothing more. you can't eradicate an ideology. trying to only strengthens their resolve and helps recruit more soldiers.

    solution?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    pdalowsky wrote: »
    paulonious wrote: »
    how can someone rationally expect that it is possible to eradicate an extreme ideology by killing people? history has shown it does not work.

    good question but it seems a better idea than allowing them to continue what they are.

    and what are they? sure, they commit some horrific acts. but so do a lot of GOVERNMENTS in Africa. where's the outrage there?

    because they don't claim to be muslim. nor do we give a shit about their resources.

    a terrorist organisation the world doesn't need. Last time I checked the similar versions in Africa were also in need of removal.......

    but we don't remove them. and that's my point. why risk lives to "remove" this terrorist organization? because of political and economic interests, and nothing more. you can't eradicate an ideology. trying to only strengthens their resolve and helps recruit more soldiers.

    solution?

    do what we do in the rest of the world. nothing. it would seem to me, the more we intervene, the worse and more extreme these groups get.

    intervene if there is an imminent domestic threat, or if one is brewing. to my knowledge, which is admittedly remedial, this group is not currently capable of any high profile domestic attacks.

    if we are asked for help, then maybe. otherwise, stay the fuck out of it.

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    So the options provided here so far are 1) Ground troops and long term presence 2) Empowering Assad 3) Throwing ISIS members from helicopters 4) Nothing.

    All decisions in life should be made on a risk/costs vs benefit analysis. No decision comes without a risk/cost. Only one of these will actually solve the problem while providing security for a local population to establish it's own governance. Victory isn't in the killing. Victory is in the security. If an ISIS member decides he wants to fire upon a security force than that force can fire back. I prefer captured members be placed in guantanamo but they can be dropped out of the helicopters if for some reason you think that is a more humane approach.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44:
    "All decisions in life should be made on a risk/costs vs benefit analysis. No decision comes without a risk/cost. Only one of these will actually solve the problem while providing security for a local population to establish it's own governance. Victory isn't in the killing. Victory is in the security. If an ISIS member decides he wants to fire upon a security force than that force can fire back. I prefer captured members be placed in guantanamo but they can be dropped out of the helicopters if for some reason you think that is a more humane approach."

    "Solve the problem" "Victory is in the security"
    Which major terrorist orgs have we eliminated so far? Where do they have security? We have put troops on the ground and the Taliban and Al-Qaida are still operating. At best we shuffle them off to another piece of ground like Pakistan or Lebanon where they recruit new followers, and we spend thousands of , lives and billions of dollars in the process.
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