Jordan hangs 2 in response for pilot's burning
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Our response PjFan, we buried the story and did NOTHING. Go read up on the Liberty. See what happened. Wouldn't it be considered an act of war?
And I don't know why u have a hard on for me answering your question about what would I do if he was American. Are you insinuating that maybe I wouldn't care if he was an American soldier? Did you read the article I posted couple weeks ago about my cousin danno? Are you trolling me for an answer you "want" from me to show some side of me or something? Or have you had to much rum again tonight? Cuz I've stated it already that I hold no 1 life over another. So I'd be JUST AS PISSED as I am NOW. Just as pissed as I was when the 15 year old Palestinian boy was burned alive during the summer. Just as pissed as I was when I saw the videos of Isis murdering innocent Syrians and Iraqis. (Watched one this morning of 3 Syrians burned alive by Isis).Just as pissed as I was when I was at 2 fucken funerals because of 9-11. So what's your point?0 -
Our response PjFan, we buried the story and did NOTHING. Go read up on the Liberty. See what happened. Wouldn't it be considered an act of war?
And I don't know why u have a hard on for me answering your question about what would I do if he was American. Are you insinuating that maybe I wouldn't care if he was an American soldier? Did you read the article I posted couple weeks ago about my cousin danno? Are you trolling me for an answer you "want" from me to show some side of me or something? Or have you had to much rum again tonight? Cuz I've stated it already that I hold no 1 life over another. So I'd be JUST AS PISSED as I am NOW. Just as pissed as I was when the 15 year old Palestinian boy was burned alive during the summer. Just as pissed as I was when I saw the videos of Isis murdering innocent Syrians and Iraqis. (Watched one this morning of 3 Syrians burned alive by Isis).Just as pissed as I was when I was at 2 fucken funerals because of 9-11. So what's your point?
This troll calling has to stop seriously. If you don't want to answer questions fine. Controversial opinions and articles put on a public forum for anyone to read is open to questions by anyone.
Avoiding questions is as easy as not responding. There is no need to avoid questions with a deflective comments and snipes (pun intended)
So if you publicly post that you want prisoners dropped from the sky onto these ispiss people I would like to know your thought process on how that gets done.
I am not in anyway whatsoever questioning what has happened in your life or judge for that matter. I feel that continuously posting despicable threads about what people are capable of will eventually get asked some hard questions.
All your anger with the sickness of some world events should be directed to a place that can make change. Whether that be in a form of military, therapy or just plain silence.
My edit - Rum free night. But you got me wondering if I have some downstairs though.Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on0 -
It was you BB but I should probably apply it to Drowned as well. We're just not on the same page when it comes to his thoughts on "evils of western society". Of course the US has partnered with horrible regimes over the years and the fact that he thinks I would deny that is silly and completely misses the point. Regardless of our actions of the past there is no reason why we can't take positive action today. A 300,000 troop coalition of like minded nations is far superior to a genocidal Assad who not only wants to destroy Isis but also wants to slaughter the freedom sheep of his country. It is absolutely no contest.
Not only has the US partnered with horrible regimes over the years, but they have single-handedly invaded numerous times in ways where the only possible justification, in hindsight, is their own self-serving agendas. Acting under the guise of a noble act, with complete disregard for the humanity in said acts, is something which the US government and ISIS participate in seemingly regularly. One gets a pass and a pat on the back, the other gets a call for obliteration. At least the origin story for ISIS contains nobility: fixing a problem which inappropriate intervention itself caused. Where the fuck is the nobility in Western acts?
The audacity to say that we should ignore a history which proves time and time again of the dangers of thoughtless and rapid intervention, in lieu of something which you (based on what you know) define as "positive action" is something I find frankly disturbing. A 300,000 troop coalition of like-minded nations whose leaders have shown themselves incapable of fixing problems - rather, only amplifying, prolonging, or delaying them with life costs associated - is hardly a group I'd be willing to support.
Is Assad the right person to lead a vendetta against ISIS? I truthfully don't know, because it's so very evident that, with the exception of Israel, there isn't a single country in the Middle East granted global consent for the right to govern their own regions. Onto your next post....This is a war whether we want it or not. We either win it or lose it. Everything else is just talk.
The world is not as binary as you would like to believe: with your suggestion comes an us vs. them mentality where activity (i.e. intervention) leads to certain betterment of the world; and conversely, inactivity (i.e. no troops on the ground in Iraq and Syria) - even with thorough cost/benefit analyses involved - is morally apprehensible. Quite frankly, I think what you've just written is simplistic and naive at best, and bullshit at worst.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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^^^^^this coming from someone who TOLD ME to keep posting these DESPICABLE threads. Was you right? And now I need to direct my angry militarily or see a shrink or better yet, stay silent? Ya, right.
"Silence, Something about silence makes me sick
'Cause silence can be violent
Sorta like a slit wrist"
And you're not asking me hard questions. I've been awake far to long. What blows my mind is that some of you people don't see what's happening right in front of your eyes. It's so blatant and yet some choose not to see. Some of you say,"well, ya, we've done some pretty shitty things in the past with some shitty people, blah blah blah." But yet all of a sudden, we're doing things because we are some righteous people. Come on. Read some of what drowned out wrote, then go and really check and see if what he says is legit. Then come back and ask me some "hard" questions. It's crazy how some see and others don't. Unless they just don't give a fuck. Plan and simple.Post edited by badbrains on0 -
Ben, how old are you? You fucken type like a professor man. Really impressive my friend. And they're not empty words. Fucken guy is younger then most in here yet knows more then most.0
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^^^^^this coming from someone who TOLD ME to keep posting these DESPICABLE threads. Was you right? And now I need to direct my angry militarily or see a shrink or better yet, stay silent? Ya, right.
"Silence, Something about silence makes me sick
'Cause silence can be violent
Sorta like a slit wrist"
And you're not asking me hard questions. I've been awake far to long. What blows my mind is that some of you people don't see what's happening right in front of your eyes. It's so blatant and yet some choose not to see. Some of you say,"well, ya, we've done some pretty shitty things in the past with some shitty people, blah blah blah." But yet all of a sudden, we're doing things because we are some righteous people. Come on. Read some of what drowned out wrote, then go and really check and see if what he says is legit. Then come back and ask me some "hard" questions. It's crazy how some see and others don't. Unless they just don't give a fuck. Plan and simple.
Yes, I said stick to your guns about posting stuff. Any shit that comes your way though should be answered. Shit was flung out in the public.
That being said be prepared for questions from a select few - that is not trolling. It takes a select few to actually discuss and question horrific atrocities out loud.
"Radio is silent though it fills the air with noises."
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Ok well, since we're quoting lyrics now, here's one of my favorites:
"American eyes, American eyes, view the world through American eyes, bury the past, rob us blind, and leave nothing behind."
Edit-I welcome any questions you mite have. I don't dodge shit. For people who know me, say that one of my faults is I say what's on my mind and I won't back down. I may take a post down that some found offensive, but I won't ever back down. I have to watch what I say because I have to walk on egg shells in here. Some people know the situation. But believe me, I'd love to get into a pissing match with some. But know the consequence. I'm itchingPost edited by badbrains on0 -
Your critique Benjs is by far the most common one I come across but in the end it leads us nowhere. The choice is in fact binary. Win or Lose. Winning is hard. Winning is ugly. While your words are certainly sophisticated and intelligent they will always result in a Lose.0
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Ok well, since we're quoting lyrics now, here's one of my favorites:
"American eyes, American eyes, view the world through American eyes, bury the past, rob us blind, and leave nothing behind."
"Know you enemy" has great lyrics too
Fist in ya face, in the place
And I'll drop the style clearly
Know your enemy...Know your enemy!
Yeah!
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Or how about Killing in the Name of
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites0 -
yep,
Loved this band when they first came out. That burning guy on the cover for some reason made me buy the tape. Listened to it and was hooked. What a great band.0 -
Who lit that guy on fire?0
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Ben's comment:
Assad the right person to lead a vendetta against ISIS? I truthfully don't know, because it's so very evident that, with the exception of Israel, there isn't a single country in the Middle East granted global consent for the right to govern their own regions
Is the root of it all.
Sounds like you're promoting humanitarian war in Iraq, bs?
Do you support regime change in Syria? If so, by what means?
you mention our partnerships with horrible regimes in the past tense.... what makes you think we are not still doing so? Stating plainly that you're ignoring historical context, then saying I'M missing the point? Lulz
You haven't said a word about our complicity, direct or by proxy, in the rise of Isis, nor commented on whether there are other benefactors of their atrocities.
One more Q. Have you read today's headlines about Saudi arabia's new king, and his ties to al Qaeda? What's your take on how to deal with that?Post edited by Drowned Out on0 -
Just victims of the in-house drive by.
They say jump, you say how high.
And...
No escape from the mass mind rape.
This band was waaaaay ahead of its time- no doubt why they are still relevant not having done much of anything for so long."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
i gotta say i am a little worried that you guys are missing what is happening here.
i feel like collectively, as a country, we have learned nothing from iraq.
don't you see? they are trying to drum up support to have the american people consent to sending in our troops to get sucked into a broader regional conflict. isis is doing the most heinous actions because they know that america, who, no offense, is not hardcore enough to stomach burning prisoners alive. look at the responses of those who watched the video. it was horrible, and it has sickened some, and made all agree that somebody needs to do something. they know that we think we are morally superior to every other country and every other religion, that we would be arrogant enough (again) to invade the lands where isis are right now.
why did fox news show the video?
because fox news was the biggest cheerleader in making the case to go into iraq. fox news is the highest rated network in prime time cable news. that means it is on more televisions than any other network and is reaching the largest number of viewers and it is making a case that "somebody has to do something.....you know....the usa...."
why did cnn, msnbc, cbs, nbc, et al not show the video? because they did not want to elicit an emotional response from the american people to support going to war again without thinking in the long term.
isis is not an american problem."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
What I find odd is that a 15 year old Palestinian boy was burned alive just last summer and it didn't generate as much publicity as this soldiers. That's odd.
the guardian covered it.
so did haaretz."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I am promoting engagement in a war that is already taking place and engagement in a war that the US coalition began but never finished. Throw the responibility for what's going on below wherever you want. I don't really care. I'm for stopping it.
http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKBN0L828E20150204?irpc=932
100,000 - 300,000 troops in Iraq now. Pacify it to the 2009 levels using the surge playbook. Annhilate isis, support iraqi government and establish permanent base similar to that in germany and/or japan. People hate the concept of permanent basing but without it a local population will never trust in their security. To quote Bin Laden "people will follow the strong horse". From there the coalition and allied locals will have full access to every neighbouring country and can proceed as necessary. Saudi Arabi can choose at that point to fund extremists or to turn on them. In all likelihood the saudis will turn on their extremists once non-coalition withdrawal is guaranteed. I believe qatar, uae and jordan will do the same. I fully recognize that these countries perpetrate their own injustices and have even benefited from Isis but with time and pressure they will slowly modernize on their own as a free Iraq on their border will be far too contagious. Not every one of these countries must have their goverment overthrown but this can be reevaluated based on levels of cooperation. Syria however is a different story. Free Syrian forces can be vetted and can use iraq for basing under the protection of the coalition. Coalition airpower, firepower and special forces as necessary can help defeat isis and overthrow assad. At the same time the coalition in the south can renew support for the green revolution in Iran. That was the biggest missed opportunity of the last few years but I believe an Iran without the Ayatollah is both achievable and necessary.
None of the above will be easy. Lives will be lost. Money will be spent. Unfortunately that is what's requires to win a war.Post edited by BS44325 on0 -
I am promoting engagement in a war that is already taking place and engagement in a war that the US coalition began but never finished. Throw the responibility for what's going on below wherever you want. I don't really care. I'm for stopping it.
http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKBN0L828E20150204?irpc=932
100,000 - 300,000 troops in Iraq now. Pacify it to the 2009 levels using the surge playbook. Annhilate isis, support iraqi government and establish permanent base similar to that in germany and/or japan. People hate the concept of permanent basing but without it a local population will never trust in their security. To quote Bin Laden "people will follow the strong horse". From there the coalition and allied locals will have full access to every neighbouring country and can proceed as necessary. Saudi Arabi can choose at that point to fund extremists or to turn on them. In all likelihood the saudis will turn on their extremists once non-coalition withdrawal is guaranteed. I believe qatar, uae and jordan will do the same. I fully recognize that these countries perpetrate their own injustices and have even benefited from Isis but with time and pressure they will slowly modernize on their own as a free Iraq on their border will be far too contagious. Not every one of these countries must have their goverment overthrown but this can be reevaluated based on levels of cooperation. Syria however is a different story. Free Syrian forces can be vetted and can use iraq for basing under the protection of the coalition. Coalition airpower, firepower and special forces as necessary can help defeat isis and overthrow assad. At the same time the coalition in the south can renew support for the green revolution in Iran. That was the biggest missed opportunity of the last few years but I believe an Iran without the Ayatollah is both achievable and necessary.
None of the above will be easy. Lives will be lost. Money will be spent. Unfortunately that is what's requires to win a war.
are they an immediate threat to you?
how about we stop meddling in the affairs of other countries for once?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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