Assad has proven to be good at slaughtering people but partnering with him should be unacceptable to any rational thinking person. While the invasion of Iraq is considered a mistake the 2006/7 surge was considered by those even against the Iraq war to be a success. The Americans over time corrected course and were able to partner with the local population to defeat the Zarqawi-led pre-cursor to ISIS while at the same time fighting off the shia extremists in the south. Since the Obama pullout a vacuum was left behind and the extremists flooded the zone as predicted. As many have said "The US got out of Iraq as hastily as they got into Iraq". Regardless the surge strategy was correct and should be duplicated. 300,000 coalition troops into Iraq tomorrow using the infrastructure that is already in place. Go block by block using the surge manual pushing out all the way into Syria if necessary. There will be casualties in both military and civilian lives but that is how you win wars. Airstrikes or the dropping of ISIS members from planes will have zero effect. If victory over ISIS is what people on here want then that is the path. There is no middle ground.
Imagine if Assad rescued said American hostage. Then what would the west say?
Not sure what would happen with a rescue.
I was asking who would carry out these acts that you and others want done to the ispiss if it was an American soldier that this happened to. And if this did happen to an American soldier instead, what do you think should/would happen.
Are you saying an Americans life is worth more then another humans life? I'm trying to figure out a response for you. See I, personally, don't hold any one human over another. Doesn't it say in the Declaration of Independence that "ALL MEN/WOMEN ARE CREATED EQUAL." Or is that like the constitution now, doesn't mean shit?
Are you saying an Americans life is worth more then another humans life? I'm trying to figure out a response for you. See I, personally, don't hold any one human over another. Doesn't it say in the Declaration of Independence that "ALL MEN/WOMEN ARE CREATED EQUAL." Or is that like the constitution now, doesn't mean shit?
No all life is equal. Everyone is alive and we all deal with that.
You don't have to figure out a response. I just wonder what would happen if it was an American soldier that this happened to. What do you think the response would be?
My edit - I am not singling you out and just asking you. I am asking everyone who reads this thread.
Assad has proven to be good at slaughtering people but partnering with him should be unacceptable to any rational thinking person. While the invasion of Iraq is considered a mistake the 2006/7 surge was considered by those even against the Iraq war to be a success. The Americans over time corrected course and were able to partner with the local population to defeat the Zarqawi-led pre-cursor to ISIS while at the same time fighting off the shia extremists in the south. Since the Obama pullout a vacuum was left behind and the extremists flooded the zone as predicted. As many have said "The US got out of Iraq as hastily as they got into Iraq". Regardless the surge strategy was correct and should be duplicated. 300,000 coalition troops into Iraq tomorrow using the infrastructure that is already in place. Go block by block using the surge manual pushing out all the way into Syria if necessary. There will be casualties in both military and civilian lives but that is how you win wars. Airstrikes or the dropping of ISIS members from planes will have zero effect. If victory over ISIS is what people on here want then that is the path. There is no middle ground.
YOu completely ignored my entire post, and another (IMO more) valid path. So I guess you aren't interested in any path except one that costs lives on both sides.
What do you have to say about allegations of western involvement with ISIS? Addressing this is apparently not worth your time.
The Saudis have proven good at slaughtering people and we're partnered with them....despite the fact they are also partnered with the IS. There are more examples of this hypocrisy if you'd like them. And no one suggested partnering with Assad anyway. Tell Turkey to close their border with Syria and see what happens. Maybe we'd see ISIS entering Syria thru the Golan, instead of just letting Bibi have photo ops with them as Israeli doctors treat their wounds. Or maybe Assad would just take care of business in his own country and ISIS would be left to fight over portions of Iraq.
Your 'Obama pullout' comment tells me you are learning about this from right-wing mainstream sources only. The vacuum problem was known well BEFORE the initial invasion. Remember all the hoopla about exit strategies? the power vacuum was part of the plan.
Oh ok, I get it now. Well, let me flip the question for you and state it like this. What was the American response when some of our own citizens were murdered in other countries? What did we do when Rachel corrie was murdered? Or how about this major one, the USS Liberty? PjFan, I'm not directing my response directly at you, was just trying to make a point. It's sad that a lot of people in the world have selective memory.
After Bs post I could feel Drowned was ready to pounce.Well either him or Fuck.But I new the rebuttal was coming.
BB,Drowned, So if Assad takes that path then who reigns him in after?
After Bs post I could feel Drowned was ready to pounce.Well either him or Fuck.But I new the rebuttal was coming.
BB,Drowned, So if Assad takes that path then who reigns him in after?
Glad my convictions are predictable lol
Reigns him in? You make it sound as if he has imperialist aspirations.
If you're talking about brutality toward his own people....you better start a laundry list of countries to 'reign in'
So now that everyone seems to agree isis needs to be wiped out in any way shape or form can we put 100,000 - 300,000 coalition troops back into Iraq to support the small american and canadian contingent? We can start there and then work our way through Syria, Libya etc. as necessary. I have been arguing for this for a little while and I'm glad most of you no longer see the defeat of isis as a big lie on the path to western imperialism.
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm still here, and this is not unanimous.
I guess maybe Jordan shouldn't have been providing bases for US soldiers (mercenaries?) to train ISIS militants for the last few years? Or should we call it the FSA since they're fighting Assad? As bb has pointed out - Assad knows his army could destroy the IS if it's supply routes were cut off.
The uprising there has gone on for years now - it is obvious to anyone with a brain that the IS have received a shitload of reinforcements and additional arms from outside the country. It's been claimed since the beginning that Jordan, Turkey, Qatar, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia are ALL involved in arming, training, and funding ISIS. Joe Biden openly stated this recently - specifically fingering Turkey.
These countries are allies of the US. So....why do we not see some kind of trade leverage (or at least threats of trade leverage) used to tell them to stop funding/training the IS? What is the impetus behind mere words against these allies, and NO action? Could it be that the IS is in some way achieving goals that the US does not want publicized? Finding conclusive proof of this may not be possible, but former intelligence officers, journalists (both domestic and international), foreign politicians, even IS members themselves have gone on record saying they have knowledge of the US / NATO manipulating both sides of the IS conflict. "accidental" supply/arms drops to the IS in Iraq. "mistakenly" arming groups who almost immediately defected to the IS. Photographic proof of IS reinforcements crossing the Turkey/Syria border in 'aid' trucks. Some of this may be wild-eyed theory, but where there is smoke, there's fire.
I have spoken about western / allied involvement with the IS on this board many times, with little feedback one way or the other...what do you say to these claims, BS? Talk to me about the contradiction of not allowing Assad a fair chance against them, when Syria is the country most able and likely to 'wipe them out', as everyone seems to think is the west's intent? Why is there no talk of 'the lesser of two evils' when it comes to Assad and the IS?
What remains to be seen is what Jordan's role in all of this will be moving forward. Such a fucking mess trying to decipher who is allied with who here, as it seems to change depending on which country we are talking about fighting ISIS in. One thing I do know is that Jordan is a middle eastern US client state.. So ya....not going to back your suggestion of NATO troops on the ground when we can't even figure out who the fucking enemy is, and have done nothing to solve the problem economically nor diplomatically.
This is why Jordan's involvement and anger is a possible turning point,IMO.You have a Muslim based country getting busy.I think this at least adds to the thought that the USA/West isn't just nation building or bombing for oil as many here think.
What was the American response when some of our own citizens were murdered in other countries? What did we do when Rachel corrie was murdered? Or how about this major one, the USS Liberty? PjFan, I'm not directing my response directly at you, was just trying to make a point. It's sad that a lot of people in the world have selective memory.
I don't know what the response of your country was in those examples to give an accurate reply. we have issues in our country to deal with that sometimes things happening elsewhere get overlooked.
So I guess with all those examples you listed would the response to those be the same as what would happen if it was an American soldier that got immolated? If you don't think so then what do you think the response would be instead?
As far as dropping people from the sky on these ispiss guys - Who would you want to do this for you? Military or some guys rounded up picked by you?
So now that everyone seems to agree isis needs to be wiped out in any way shape or form can we put 100,000 - 300,000 coalition troops back into Iraq to support the small american and canadian contingent? We can start there and then work our way through Syria, Libya etc. as necessary. I have been arguing for this for a little while and I'm glad most of you no longer see the defeat of isis as a big lie on the path to western imperialism.
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm still here, and this is not unanimous.
I guess maybe Jordan shouldn't have been providing bases for US soldiers (mercenaries?) to train ISIS militants for the last few years? Or should we call it the FSA since they're fighting Assad? As bb has pointed out - Assad knows his army could destroy the IS if it's supply routes were cut off.
The uprising there has gone on for years now - it is obvious to anyone with a brain that the IS have received a shitload of reinforcements and additional arms from outside the country. It's been claimed since the beginning that Jordan, Turkey, Qatar, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia are ALL involved in arming, training, and funding ISIS. Joe Biden openly stated this recently - specifically fingering Turkey.
These countries are allies of the US. So....why do we not see some kind of trade leverage (or at least threats of trade leverage) used to tell them to stop funding/training the IS? What is the impetus behind mere words against these allies, and NO action? Could it be that the IS is in some way achieving goals that the US does not want publicized? Finding conclusive proof of this may not be possible, but former intelligence officers, journalists (both domestic and international), foreign politicians, even IS members themselves have gone on record saying they have knowledge of the US / NATO manipulating both sides of the IS conflict. "accidental" supply/arms drops to the IS in Iraq. "mistakenly" arming groups who almost immediately defected to the IS. Photographic proof of IS reinforcements crossing the Turkey/Syria border in 'aid' trucks. Some of this may be wild-eyed theory, but where there is smoke, there's fire.
I have spoken about western / allied involvement with the IS on this board many times, with little feedback one way or the other...what do you say to these claims, BS? Talk to me about the contradiction of not allowing Assad a fair chance against them, when Syria is the country most able and likely to 'wipe them out', as everyone seems to think is the west's intent? Why is there no talk of 'the lesser of two evils' when it comes to Assad and the IS?
What remains to be seen is what Jordan's role in all of this will be moving forward. Such a fucking mess trying to decipher who is allied with who here, as it seems to change depending on which country we are talking about fighting ISIS in. One thing I do know is that Jordan is a middle eastern US client state.. So ya....not going to back your suggestion of NATO troops on the ground when we can't even figure out who the fucking enemy is, and have done nothing to solve the problem economically nor diplomatically.
This is why Jordan's involvement and anger is a possible turning point,IMO.You have a Muslim based country getting busy.I think this at least adds to the thought that the USA/West isn't just nation building or bombing for oil as many here think.
oooorrrrrr maybe that perception is the whole point to them getting involved. I did mention that they're a US client state, right? I've seen a ton of 'muslim nations furious' headlines in western media today.....would western support for further troop build ups in the middle east not rise if it was believed (whether true or not) that middle eastern countries were looking for help? Has this not been part of the war drum rhythm from the start - Iraq asked for our help against the IS, so by god, we will do our part to help Iraq....it's the least we can do. Right? No question of ulterior motive - its a humanitarian war.
All I know is that people are way too reactionary when it comes to supporting war. Every incident has a bunch of people calling for violent reprisal. We think we have all the facts a day later, and most of the people calling for war have never looked at a perspective outside their fav news channel.
It was you BB but I should probably apply it to Drowned as well. We're just not on the same page when it comes to his thoughts on "evils of western society". Of course the US has partnered with horrible regimes over the years and the fact that he thinks I would deny that is silly and completely misses the point. Regardless of our actions of the past there is no reason why we can't take positive action today. A 300,000 troop coalition of like minded nations is far superior to a genocidal Assad who not only wants to destroy Isis but also wants to slaughter the freedom sheep of his country. It is absolutely no contest.
Our response PjFan, we buried the story and did NOTHING. Go read up on the Liberty. See what happened. Wouldn't it be considered an act of war?
And I don't know why u have a hard on for me answering your question about what would I do if he was American. Are you insinuating that maybe I wouldn't care if he was an American soldier? Did you read the article I posted couple weeks ago about my cousin danno? Are you trolling me for an answer you "want" from me to show some side of me or something? Or have you had to much rum again tonight? Cuz I've stated it already that I hold no 1 life over another. So I'd be JUST AS PISSED as I am NOW. Just as pissed as I was when the 15 year old Palestinian boy was burned alive during the summer. Just as pissed as I was when I saw the videos of Isis murdering innocent Syrians and Iraqis. (Watched one this morning of 3 Syrians burned alive by Isis).Just as pissed as I was when I was at 2 fucken funerals because of 9-11. So what's your point?
Our response PjFan, we buried the story and did NOTHING. Go read up on the Liberty. See what happened. Wouldn't it be considered an act of war?
And I don't know why u have a hard on for me answering your question about what would I do if he was American. Are you insinuating that maybe I wouldn't care if he was an American soldier? Did you read the article I posted couple weeks ago about my cousin danno? Are you trolling me for an answer you "want" from me to show some side of me or something? Or have you had to much rum again tonight? Cuz I've stated it already that I hold no 1 life over another. So I'd be JUST AS PISSED as I am NOW. Just as pissed as I was when the 15 year old Palestinian boy was burned alive during the summer. Just as pissed as I was when I saw the videos of Isis murdering innocent Syrians and Iraqis. (Watched one this morning of 3 Syrians burned alive by Isis).Just as pissed as I was when I was at 2 fucken funerals because of 9-11. So what's your point?
This troll calling has to stop seriously. If you don't want to answer questions fine. Controversial opinions and articles put on a public forum for anyone to read is open to questions by anyone.
Avoiding questions is as easy as not responding. There is no need to avoid questions with a deflective comments and snipes (pun intended)
So if you publicly post that you want prisoners dropped from the sky onto these ispiss people I would like to know your thought process on how that gets done.
I am not in anyway whatsoever questioning what has happened in your life or judge for that matter. I feel that continuously posting despicable threads about what people are capable of will eventually get asked some hard questions.
All your anger with the sickness of some world events should be directed to a place that can make change. Whether that be in a form of military, therapy or just plain silence.
My edit - Rum free night. But you got me wondering if I have some downstairs though.
It was you BB but I should probably apply it to Drowned as well. We're just not on the same page when it comes to his thoughts on "evils of western society". Of course the US has partnered with horrible regimes over the years and the fact that he thinks I would deny that is silly and completely misses the point. Regardless of our actions of the past there is no reason why we can't take positive action today. A 300,000 troop coalition of like minded nations is far superior to a genocidal Assad who not only wants to destroy Isis but also wants to slaughter the freedom sheep of his country. It is absolutely no contest.
Not only has the US partnered with horrible regimes over the years, but they have single-handedly invaded numerous times in ways where the only possible justification, in hindsight, is their own self-serving agendas. Acting under the guise of a noble act, with complete disregard for the humanity in said acts, is something which the US government and ISIS participate in seemingly regularly. One gets a pass and a pat on the back, the other gets a call for obliteration. At least the origin story for ISIS contains nobility: fixing a problem which inappropriate intervention itself caused. Where the fuck is the nobility in Western acts?
The audacity to say that we should ignore a history which proves time and time again of the dangers of thoughtless and rapid intervention, in lieu of something which you (based on what you know) define as "positive action" is something I find frankly disturbing. A 300,000 troop coalition of like-minded nations whose leaders have shown themselves incapable of fixing problems - rather, only amplifying, prolonging, or delaying them with life costs associated - is hardly a group I'd be willing to support.
Is Assad the right person to lead a vendetta against ISIS? I truthfully don't know, because it's so very evident that, with the exception of Israel, there isn't a single country in the Middle East granted global consent for the right to govern their own regions. Onto your next post....
This is a war whether we want it or not. We either win it or lose it. Everything else is just talk.
The world is not as binary as you would like to believe: with your suggestion comes an us vs. them mentality where activity (i.e. intervention) leads to certain betterment of the world; and conversely, inactivity (i.e. no troops on the ground in Iraq and Syria) - even with thorough cost/benefit analyses involved - is morally apprehensible. Quite frankly, I think what you've just written is simplistic and naive at best, and bullshit at worst.
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PjFan ^^^^^this coming from someone who TOLD ME to keep posting these DESPICABLE threads. Was you right? And now I need to direct my angry militarily or see a shrink or better yet, stay silent? Ya, right.
"Silence, Something about silence makes me sick 'Cause silence can be violent Sorta like a slit wrist"
And you're not asking me hard questions. I've been awake far to long. What blows my mind is that some of you people don't see what's happening right in front of your eyes. It's so blatant and yet some choose not to see. Some of you say,"well, ya, we've done some pretty shitty things in the past with some shitty people, blah blah blah." But yet all of a sudden, we're doing things because we are some righteous people. Come on. Read some of what drowned out wrote, then go and really check and see if what he says is legit. Then come back and ask me some "hard" questions. It's crazy how some see and others don't. Unless they just don't give a fuck. Plan and simple.
Ben, how old are you? You fucken type like a professor man. Really impressive my friend. And they're not empty words. Fucken guy is younger then most in here yet knows more then most.
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^^^^^this coming from someone who TOLD ME to keep posting these DESPICABLE threads. Was you right? And now I need to direct my angry militarily or see a shrink or better yet, stay silent? Ya, right.
"Silence, Something about silence makes me sick
'Cause silence can be violent
Sorta like a slit wrist"
And you're not asking me hard questions. I've been awake far to long. What blows my mind is that some of you people don't see what's happening right in front of your eyes. It's so blatant and yet some choose not to see. Some of you say,"well, ya, we've done some pretty shitty things in the past with some shitty people, blah blah blah." But yet all of a sudden, we're doing things because we are some righteous people. Come on. Read some of what drowned out wrote, then go and really check and see if what he says is legit. Then come back and ask me some "hard" questions. It's crazy how some see and others don't. Unless they just don't give a fuck. Plan and simple.
Yes, I said stick to your guns about posting stuff. Any shit that comes your way though should be answered. Shit was flung out in the public.
That being said be prepared for questions from a select few - that is not trolling. It takes a select few to actually discuss and question horrific atrocities out loud.
"Radio is silent though it fills the air with noises."
Ok well, since we're quoting lyrics now, here's one of my favorites:
"American eyes, American eyes, view the world through American eyes, bury the past, rob us blind, and leave nothing behind."
Edit-I welcome any questions you mite have. I don't dodge shit. For people who know me, say that one of my faults is I say what's on my mind and I won't back down. I may take a post down that some found offensive, but I won't ever back down. I have to watch what I say because I have to walk on egg shells in here. Some people know the situation. But believe me, I'd love to get into a pissing match with some. But know the consequence. I'm itching
Your critique Benjs is by far the most common one I come across but in the end it leads us nowhere. The choice is in fact binary. Win or Lose. Winning is hard. Winning is ugly. While your words are certainly sophisticated and intelligent they will always result in a Lose.
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True that would work. But who would do it if the prisoner was American?
Not sure what would happen with a rescue.
I was asking who would carry out these acts that you and others want done to the ispiss if it was an American soldier that this happened to. And if this did happen to an American soldier instead, what do you think should/would happen.
No all life is equal. Everyone is alive and we all deal with that.
You don't have to figure out a response. I just wonder what would happen if it was an American soldier that this happened to. What do you think the response would be?
My edit - I am not singling you out and just asking you. I am asking everyone who reads this thread.
What do you have to say about allegations of western involvement with ISIS? Addressing this is apparently not worth your time.
The Saudis have proven good at slaughtering people and we're partnered with them....despite the fact they are also partnered with the IS. There are more examples of this hypocrisy if you'd like them. And no one suggested partnering with Assad anyway. Tell Turkey to close their border with Syria and see what happens. Maybe we'd see ISIS entering Syria thru the Golan, instead of just letting Bibi have photo ops with them as Israeli doctors treat their wounds. Or maybe Assad would just take care of business in his own country and ISIS would be left to fight over portions of Iraq.
Your 'Obama pullout' comment tells me you are learning about this from right-wing mainstream sources only. The vacuum problem was known well BEFORE the initial invasion. Remember all the hoopla about exit strategies? the power vacuum was part of the plan.
BB,Drowned, So if Assad takes that path then who reigns him in after?
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Reigns him in? You make it sound as if he has imperialist aspirations.
If you're talking about brutality toward his own people....you better start a laundry list of countries to 'reign in'
This is why Jordan's involvement and anger is a possible turning point,IMO.You have a Muslim based country getting busy.I think this at least adds to the thought that the USA/West isn't just nation building or bombing for oil as many here think.
I don't know what the response of your country was in those examples to give an accurate reply. we have issues in our country to deal with that sometimes things happening elsewhere get overlooked.
So I guess with all those examples you listed would the response to those be the same as what would happen if it was an American soldier that got immolated? If you don't think so then what do you think the response would be instead?
As far as dropping people from the sky on these ispiss guys - Who would you want to do this for you? Military or some guys rounded up picked by you?
oooorrrrrr maybe that perception is the whole point to them getting involved. I did mention that they're a US client state, right? I've seen a ton of 'muslim nations furious' headlines in western media today.....would western support for further troop build ups in the middle east not rise if it was believed (whether true or not) that middle eastern countries were looking for help? Has this not been part of the war drum rhythm from the start - Iraq asked for our help against the IS, so by god, we will do our part to help Iraq....it's the least we can do. Right? No question of ulterior motive - its a humanitarian war.
All I know is that people are way too reactionary when it comes to supporting war. Every incident has a bunch of people calling for violent reprisal. We think we have all the facts a day later, and most of the people calling for war have never looked at a perspective outside their fav news channel.
And I don't know why u have a hard on for me answering your question about what would I do if he was American. Are you insinuating that maybe I wouldn't care if he was an American soldier? Did you read the article I posted couple weeks ago about my cousin danno? Are you trolling me for an answer you "want" from me to show some side of me or something? Or have you had to much rum again tonight? Cuz I've stated it already that I hold no 1 life over another. So I'd be JUST AS PISSED as I am NOW. Just as pissed as I was when the 15 year old Palestinian boy was burned alive during the summer. Just as pissed as I was when I saw the videos of Isis murdering innocent Syrians and Iraqis. (Watched one this morning of 3 Syrians burned alive by Isis).Just as pissed as I was when I was at 2 fucken funerals because of 9-11. So what's your point?
This troll calling has to stop seriously. If you don't want to answer questions fine. Controversial opinions and articles put on a public forum for anyone to read is open to questions by anyone.
Avoiding questions is as easy as not responding. There is no need to avoid questions with a deflective comments and snipes (pun intended)
So if you publicly post that you want prisoners dropped from the sky onto these ispiss people I would like to know your thought process on how that gets done.
I am not in anyway whatsoever questioning what has happened in your life or judge for that matter. I feel that continuously posting despicable threads about what people are capable of will eventually get asked some hard questions.
All your anger with the sickness of some world events should be directed to a place that can make change. Whether that be in a form of military, therapy or just plain silence.
My edit - Rum free night. But you got me wondering if I have some downstairs though.
Not only has the US partnered with horrible regimes over the years, but they have single-handedly invaded numerous times in ways where the only possible justification, in hindsight, is their own self-serving agendas. Acting under the guise of a noble act, with complete disregard for the humanity in said acts, is something which the US government and ISIS participate in seemingly regularly. One gets a pass and a pat on the back, the other gets a call for obliteration. At least the origin story for ISIS contains nobility: fixing a problem which inappropriate intervention itself caused. Where the fuck is the nobility in Western acts?
The audacity to say that we should ignore a history which proves time and time again of the dangers of thoughtless and rapid intervention, in lieu of something which you (based on what you know) define as "positive action" is something I find frankly disturbing. A 300,000 troop coalition of like-minded nations whose leaders have shown themselves incapable of fixing problems - rather, only amplifying, prolonging, or delaying them with life costs associated - is hardly a group I'd be willing to support.
Is Assad the right person to lead a vendetta against ISIS? I truthfully don't know, because it's so very evident that, with the exception of Israel, there isn't a single country in the Middle East granted global consent for the right to govern their own regions. Onto your next post....
The world is not as binary as you would like to believe: with your suggestion comes an us vs. them mentality where activity (i.e. intervention) leads to certain betterment of the world; and conversely, inactivity (i.e. no troops on the ground in Iraq and Syria) - even with thorough cost/benefit analyses involved - is morally apprehensible. Quite frankly, I think what you've just written is simplistic and naive at best, and bullshit at worst.
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^^^^^this coming from someone who TOLD ME to keep posting these DESPICABLE threads. Was you right? And now I need to direct my angry militarily or see a shrink or better yet, stay silent? Ya, right.
"Silence, Something about silence makes me sick
'Cause silence can be violent
Sorta like a slit wrist"
And you're not asking me hard questions. I've been awake far to long. What blows my mind is that some of you people don't see what's happening right in front of your eyes. It's so blatant and yet some choose not to see. Some of you say,"well, ya, we've done some pretty shitty things in the past with some shitty people, blah blah blah." But yet all of a sudden, we're doing things because we are some righteous people. Come on. Read some of what drowned out wrote, then go and really check and see if what he says is legit. Then come back and ask me some "hard" questions. It's crazy how some see and others don't. Unless they just don't give a fuck. Plan and simple.
Yes, I said stick to your guns about posting stuff. Any shit that comes your way though should be answered. Shit was flung out in the public.
That being said be prepared for questions from a select few - that is not trolling. It takes a select few to actually discuss and question horrific atrocities out loud.
"Radio is silent though it fills the air with noises."
"American eyes, American eyes, view the world through American eyes, bury the past, rob us blind, and leave nothing behind."
Edit-I welcome any questions you mite have. I don't dodge shit. For people who know me, say that one of my faults is I say what's on my mind and I won't back down. I may take a post down that some found offensive, but I won't ever back down. I have to watch what I say because I have to walk on egg shells in here. Some people know the situation. But believe me, I'd love to get into a pissing match with some. But know the consequence. I'm itching
"Know you enemy" has great lyrics too
Fist in ya face, in the place
And I'll drop the style clearly
Know your enemy...Know your enemy!
Yeah!
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites