Do Aliens Exist?

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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    The music of the spheres..

    https://youtu.be/-MmWeZHsQzs
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Yes
    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Yes
    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    rgambs said:

    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
    On your first question, the answer is..i have no idea..but i could suggest a couple of things if you like..
    about your second, which government you mean??..USA??..
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    Yes
    rgambs said:

    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
    I always thought this too. then I was talking with someone, or I read something, can't recall, but the idea was put to me that just because they are advanced, doesn't mean they are advanced in EVERY WAY. Maybe they have unlocked the mysteries of intergalactic travel, but maybe they are little weaklings with no weapons. or a strictly peaceful race. really, the possibilities are endless. who knows.

    But I still agree. it's highly unlikely that any government on earth could keep ET a secret.

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    -EV  8/14/93




  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,987
    Yes, and they have visited Earth

    rgambs said:

    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
    I always thought this too. then I was talking with someone, or I read something, can't recall, but the idea was put to me that just because they are advanced, doesn't mean they are advanced in EVERY WAY. Maybe they have unlocked the mysteries of intergalactic travel, but maybe they are little weaklings with no weapons. or a strictly peaceful race. really, the possibilities are endless. who knows.

    But I still agree. it's highly unlikely that any government on earth could keep ET a secret.

    Well maybe they haven't kept it a secret. A lot of people seem to think they exist and feel like there is some evidence suggesting so. It's just that the government denies it, and a lot of citizens ignore them or dismiss them as wackos. It's possible the government is just doing a good job of convincing people the evidence isn't true. :scream:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    Yes
    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
    I always thought this too. then I was talking with someone, or I read something, can't recall, but the idea was put to me that just because they are advanced, doesn't mean they are advanced in EVERY WAY. Maybe they have unlocked the mysteries of intergalactic travel, but maybe they are little weaklings with no weapons. or a strictly peaceful race. really, the possibilities are endless. who knows.

    But I still agree. it's highly unlikely that any government on earth could keep ET a secret.

    Well maybe they haven't kept it a secret. A lot of people seem to think they exist and feel like there is some evidence suggesting so. It's just that the government denies it, and a lot of citizens ignore them or dismiss them as wackos. It's possible the government is just doing a good job of convincing people the evidence isn't true. :scream:
    all I mean is I don't believe the government could control an alien race that was able to visit here. I think they'd be able to come and go as they please. they might be complicit, but I would find it hard to believe they are control.

    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177

    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
    I always thought this too. then I was talking with someone, or I read something, can't recall, but the idea was put to me that just because they are advanced, doesn't mean they are advanced in EVERY WAY. Maybe they have unlocked the mysteries of intergalactic travel, but maybe they are little weaklings with no weapons. or a strictly peaceful race. really, the possibilities are endless. who knows.

    But I still agree. it's highly unlikely that any government on earth could keep ET a secret.

    Well maybe they haven't kept it a secret. A lot of people seem to think they exist and feel like there is some evidence suggesting so. It's just that the government denies it, and a lot of citizens ignore them or dismiss them as wackos. It's possible the government is just doing a good job of convincing people the evidence isn't true. :scream:
    all I mean is I don't believe the government could control an alien race that was able to visit here. I think they'd be able to come and go as they please. they might be complicit, but I would find it hard to believe they are control.

    Which government? Do aliens know to only reveal themselves to US government officials, knowing that the US government will apparently be complicit in keeping them hidden? Or have these aliens visited other countries in the world, and all of those governments are working together to keep this a secret?

    No chance this would be kept secret in one country through various administrations, let alone kept secret by many countries with significantly differing ideologies. It just couldn't happen. It's hard for 3 people to keep a secret. No way hundreds/thousands of people working for various governments could. I don't buy it.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,987
    Yes, and they have visited Earth

    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
    I always thought this too. then I was talking with someone, or I read something, can't recall, but the idea was put to me that just because they are advanced, doesn't mean they are advanced in EVERY WAY. Maybe they have unlocked the mysteries of intergalactic travel, but maybe they are little weaklings with no weapons. or a strictly peaceful race. really, the possibilities are endless. who knows.

    But I still agree. it's highly unlikely that any government on earth could keep ET a secret.

    Well maybe they haven't kept it a secret. A lot of people seem to think they exist and feel like there is some evidence suggesting so. It's just that the government denies it, and a lot of citizens ignore them or dismiss them as wackos. It's possible the government is just doing a good job of convincing people the evidence isn't true. :scream:
    all I mean is I don't believe the government could control an alien race that was able to visit here. I think they'd be able to come and go as they please. they might be complicit, but I would find it hard to believe they are control.

    I don't understand why you're assuming an alien race would want to come and disrupt us in that way. How come you think they'd be doing anything that needs "controlling".
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    Yes
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
    I always thought this too. then I was talking with someone, or I read something, can't recall, but the idea was put to me that just because they are advanced, doesn't mean they are advanced in EVERY WAY. Maybe they have unlocked the mysteries of intergalactic travel, but maybe they are little weaklings with no weapons. or a strictly peaceful race. really, the possibilities are endless. who knows.

    But I still agree. it's highly unlikely that any government on earth could keep ET a secret.

    Well maybe they haven't kept it a secret. A lot of people seem to think they exist and feel like there is some evidence suggesting so. It's just that the government denies it, and a lot of citizens ignore them or dismiss them as wackos. It's possible the government is just doing a good job of convincing people the evidence isn't true. :scream:
    all I mean is I don't believe the government could control an alien race that was able to visit here. I think they'd be able to come and go as they please. they might be complicit, but I would find it hard to believe they are control.

    I don't understand why you're assuming an alien race would want to come and disrupt us in that way. How come you think they'd be doing anything that needs "controlling".
    I'm not. I'm saying that humans wouldn't be able to tell aliens, good or bad, what they can or can't do, and to keep from mass hysteria and WW3 from happening, they keep it from the general public and let the aliens do as they wish.

    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    Yes
    jeffbr said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rgambs said:

    23scidoo said:

    rgambs said:

    Again, if this is evidence then Brahma and Vishnu and all the characters must be real right?

    Yes, but there aren't gods..
    It's a fun thought for sure, but it isn't evidence.
    Where are they now? The government couldn't keep an advanced race from revealing themselves.
    I always thought this too. then I was talking with someone, or I read something, can't recall, but the idea was put to me that just because they are advanced, doesn't mean they are advanced in EVERY WAY. Maybe they have unlocked the mysteries of intergalactic travel, but maybe they are little weaklings with no weapons. or a strictly peaceful race. really, the possibilities are endless. who knows.

    But I still agree. it's highly unlikely that any government on earth could keep ET a secret.

    Well maybe they haven't kept it a secret. A lot of people seem to think they exist and feel like there is some evidence suggesting so. It's just that the government denies it, and a lot of citizens ignore them or dismiss them as wackos. It's possible the government is just doing a good job of convincing people the evidence isn't true. :scream:
    all I mean is I don't believe the government could control an alien race that was able to visit here. I think they'd be able to come and go as they please. they might be complicit, but I would find it hard to believe they are control.

    Which government? Do aliens know to only reveal themselves to US government officials, knowing that the US government will apparently be complicit in keeping them hidden? Or have these aliens visited other countries in the world, and all of those governments are working together to keep this a secret?

    No chance this would be kept secret in one country through various administrations, let alone kept secret by many countries with significantly differing ideologies. It just couldn't happen. It's hard for 3 people to keep a secret. No way hundreds/thousands of people working for various governments could. I don't buy it.
    I'm not saying anything is factual here, just thinking out loud.

    No, I don't think necessarily that aliens would know exactly who to reveal themselves to, but does the average human have the necessary equipment in their bedrooms to detect aircraft that is not of this earth? no, the government does. they have power of discovery. citizens can see things, even record things, but beyond that, not a whole lot can be done. and they can be brushed off as "nutso" (as PJ Soul can attest in this very thread), or having seen a "unexplained natural phenomina" or whatever.

    All I'm saying is that anything is possible. there's no way to come up with every possible scenario for any alien conspiracy. who the hell knows.......Brangelina could be the king and queen of the Illuminati and control all the major banks and governments of the world for all I know.
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    All this years they didn't save Earth from asteroids????..WTF is that?????

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/13/world/nasa-planetary-defense/
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    Both sides are happy with this deal..
    they doing their things, we take the crumbs..
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,987
    edited January 2016
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    23scidoo said:

    All this years they didn't save Earth from asteroids????..WTF is that?????

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/13/world/nasa-planetary-defense/

    I am glad they are thinking about this. I am actually scared (like at a normal.normal . sane level, lol) about a huge asteroid hitting Earth. I hope they get better at detecting and stopping them though. I hope they actually figure out how to redirect an asteroid that is going to end life on Earth or something terrible like that. I have seen some of their ideas... stuff like huge satellite with giant sails on them that latch onto an asteroid and change its path, shit like that. None of it seems particularly realistic yet.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    PJ_Soul said:

    23scidoo said:

    All this years they didn't save Earth from asteroids????..WTF is that?????

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/13/world/nasa-planetary-defense/

    I am glad they are thinking about this. I am actually scared (like at a normal.normal . sane level, lol) about a huge asteroid hitting Earth. I hope they get better at detecting and stopping them though. I hope they actually figure out how to redirect an asteroid that is going to end life on Earth or something terrible like that. I have seen some of their ideas... stuff like huge satellite with giant sails on them that latch onto an asteroid and change its path, shit like that. None of it seems particularly realistic yet.
    PJSoul, that was something they allready did all this years..why they need a ''planetary defense'' office????..why they make it ''official''????..do you remember the other news, about the ''alien ambassador''..
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,987
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    23scidoo said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    23scidoo said:

    All this years they didn't save Earth from asteroids????..WTF is that?????

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/13/world/nasa-planetary-defense/

    I am glad they are thinking about this. I am actually scared (like at a normal.normal . sane level, lol) about a huge asteroid hitting Earth. I hope they get better at detecting and stopping them though. I hope they actually figure out how to redirect an asteroid that is going to end life on Earth or something terrible like that. I have seen some of their ideas... stuff like huge satellite with giant sails on them that latch onto an asteroid and change its path, shit like that. None of it seems particularly realistic yet.
    PJSoul, that was something they allready did all this years..why they need a ''planetary defense'' office????..why they make it ''official''????..do you remember the other news, about the ''alien ambassador''..
    Yeah, I'm not biting on this conspiracy theory. I see nothing strange about this office, given that NASA has indeed slowly been increasing it's focus on dealing with comets and asteroids as new technologies become available. I assume this is just another small step in that area.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    PJ_Soul said:

    23scidoo said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    23scidoo said:

    All this years they didn't save Earth from asteroids????..WTF is that?????

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/13/world/nasa-planetary-defense/

    I am glad they are thinking about this. I am actually scared (like at a normal.normal . sane level, lol) about a huge asteroid hitting Earth. I hope they get better at detecting and stopping them though. I hope they actually figure out how to redirect an asteroid that is going to end life on Earth or something terrible like that. I have seen some of their ideas... stuff like huge satellite with giant sails on them that latch onto an asteroid and change its path, shit like that. None of it seems particularly realistic yet.
    PJSoul, that was something they allready did all this years..why they need a ''planetary defense'' office????..why they make it ''official''????..do you remember the other news, about the ''alien ambassador''..
    Yeah, I'm not biting on this conspiracy theory. I see nothing strange about this office, given that NASA has indeed slowly been increasing it's focus on dealing with comets and asteroids as new technologies become available. I assume this is just another small step in that area.
    It's like police announce, they gonna greate a special office for the bank robberies..
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth
    https://youtu.be/mYHub2eUgrY
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
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  • dustinparduedustinpardue Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,829
    Yes
    Stephen Hawking said it best when he said we can only look at ourselves to see that an alien race from another planet is probably not a group we would ever want to meet.
    I think it could exist, but doubt that it has ever actually come to earth before.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,350
    Yes

    Stephen Hawking said it best when he said we can only look at ourselves to see that an alien race from another planet is probably not a group we would ever want to meet.
    I think it could exist, but doubt that it has ever actually come to earth before.

    no doubt. can you imagine if we found a inhabited planet that we could get to that contained rich rousources? we'd no doubt drain it dry for our own gain.
    "Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk"
    -EV  8/14/93




  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
    Yes, and they have visited Earth

    Stephen Hawking said it best when he said we can only look at ourselves to see that an alien race from another planet is probably not a group we would ever want to meet.
    I think it could exist, but doubt that it has ever actually come to earth before.

    no doubt. can you imagine if we found a inhabited planet that we could get to that contained rich rousources? we'd no doubt drain it dry for our own gain.
    Maybe that is what they doing..

    https://youtu.be/HpbKJGyd23U
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,317
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