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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Anyone else see the "fuck santos" tv add in the link?
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    JC29856 wrote: »
    Mickeyrat
    What shit?
    What thing?

    The shit that is in that link you posted. Why did you post that? Do you actually think the NYPD set this up to drum up support for police? Or are just bringing us all up to spped on all angles? (100% sarcasm)

    Your need to derail every thread by posting anything that has nothing to do with the topics you're posting in is getting old. If you're going to post bull shit, have the balls to explain what you are posting. Otherwise it's just trolling. You've pretty much lost all of your credibility with me, and I'd bet many others here because of.trash like that.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    The post was to point out another cop was killed. I didn't write the article. Find me an article on the Florida cop that doesn't reference the nypd killings.
    Anyone who wants to be topic relevance police take that up with the mods.
    Anyone that doesn't like my posts simply ignore them.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,342
    other than mentioning he formerly worked as NYPD for 5 yrs, there is nothing from that local media outlet about the ambush in NY. Much the same from other outlets in TV in the area but some do reference the ambush. Nothing I see suggests this was the same from those outlets.

    http://tbo.com/news/crime/tarpon-springs-police-officer-shot-killed-deputies-say-20141221/
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,724
    This is really sad and crazy...
    this merderer has no excuse...he shot 2 people-police officers in cold blood..
    Thats why there is justice so people dont act like animal and kill eachother...
    and really people need to calm the fuck down,life is too precius...
    noone has the right to go shoot caps on the head,same cops cant play it rambo and shoots everything is moving..
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,345
    JC29856 wrote: »
    You really think citizens go out and say "I really want to kill a cop today"? C'mon.

    # of police? # of citizens killed by police?
    # of citizens? # of cops killed by citizens?

    Choke holds due 2 things, partially cut off air to lungs, partially cut off blood to brain.
    Anyone who says, if you can talk you can breathe, have someone put you in a choke hold for 9 seconds.

    Have you ever seen the choking posters at restaurants? You know what the universal sign for choking is?
    It's not saying "I'm choking".
    It's holding your hands to your throat because you can not talk...
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,342
    edited December 2014
    tempo_n_groove wrote: »
    JC29856 wrote: »
    You really think citizens go out and say "I really want to kill a cop today"? C'mon.

    # of police? # of citizens killed by police?
    # of citizens? # of cops killed by citizens?

    Choke holds due 2 things, partially cut off air to lungs, partially cut off blood to brain.
    Anyone who says, if you can talk you can breathe, have someone put you in a choke hold for 9 seconds.

    Have you ever seen the choking posters at restaurants? You know what the universal sign for choking is?
    It's not saying "I'm choking".
    It's holding your hands to your throat because you can not talk...

    may I ask you if you have seen and heard that video of Garner saying he cannot breath? If so, does that really sound to you like someone readily able to draw sufficient breath in to not die? Also need to note , he had his hands being cuffed. So how was he to note that universal sign of choking?
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I posted the link hours ago this article minutes ago and does make reference to nypd

    Meanwhile, media from around the country are calling for information in the wake of the execution-style killings of two New York Police Department officers in Brooklyn, deputies said. Gualtieri said there is no indication at this time that the Tarpon Springs shooting is related to what happened in New York.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    tempo_n_groove wrote: »
    JC29856 wrote: »
    You really think citizens go out and say "I really want to kill a cop today"? C'mon.

    # of police? # of citizens killed by police?
    # of citizens? # of cops killed by citizens?

    Choke holds due 2 things, partially cut off air to lungs, partially cut off blood to brain.
    Anyone who says, if you can talk you can breathe, have someone put you in a choke hold for 9 seconds.

    Have you ever seen the choking posters at restaurants? You know what the universal sign for choking is?
    It's not saying "I'm choking".
    It's holding your hands to your throat because you can not talk...

    To this... if one is 'legitimately' choking... they cannot speak- air cannot get in or out.

    By mentioning this, I'm not offering support for these officers... I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,024
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    tempo_n_groove wrote: »
    JC29856 wrote: »
    You really think citizens go out and say "I really want to kill a cop today"? C'mon.

    # of police? # of citizens killed by police?
    # of citizens? # of cops killed by citizens?

    Choke holds due 2 things, partially cut off air to lungs, partially cut off blood to brain.
    Anyone who says, if you can talk you can breathe, have someone put you in a choke hold for 9 seconds.

    Have you ever seen the choking posters at restaurants? You know what the universal sign for choking is?
    It's not saying "I'm choking".
    It's holding your hands to your throat because you can not talk...

    To this... if one is 'legitimately' choking... they cannot speak- air cannot get in or out.

    By mentioning this, I'm not offering support for these officers... I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.

    Though you can't really argue with the outcome. Guess he proved you wrong by, you know, dying
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,342
    JC29856 wrote: »
    I posted the link hours ago this article minutes ago and does make reference to nypd

    Meanwhile, media from around the country are calling for information in the wake of the execution-style killings of two New York Police Department officers in Brooklyn, deputies said. Gualtieri said there is no indication at this time that the Tarpon Springs shooting is related to what happened in New York.
    I stand corrected. from this very portion , makes my point though.
    so you pull from the article I link and completely ignore what in your link"from hours ago" Stating that this was in fact a connected crime?

    whatever, makes no difference. enjoy your holidays however you celebrate or not.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I never stated this was a connected crime, i posted a link that reported another cop was shot, it's timestamped 10:38am.
    It's refreshing to see you correct yourself and it appears you're calmer from your original post.
    Happy Holidays
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2014
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/suspected-killer-death-nypd-officers-had-long-troubled-past


    New details released in the execution-style killing of two New York City police officers reveal a suspected killer with a long, troubled history of arrests, incarceration and family estrangement.

    Investigators are currently trying to determine if Brinsley in fact attended any of the many protests across the country calling for justice in their deaths.

    I read elsewhere that besides the insta gram posts there isn't much else on his social media accounts.
    Post edited by JC29856 on
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Cliffy6745 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    tempo_n_groove wrote: »
    JC29856 wrote: »
    You really think citizens go out and say "I really want to kill a cop today"? C'mon.

    # of police? # of citizens killed by police?
    # of citizens? # of cops killed by citizens?

    Choke holds due 2 things, partially cut off air to lungs, partially cut off blood to brain.
    Anyone who says, if you can talk you can breathe, have someone put you in a choke hold for 9 seconds.

    Have you ever seen the choking posters at restaurants? You know what the universal sign for choking is?
    It's not saying "I'm choking".
    It's holding your hands to your throat because you can not talk...

    To this... if one is 'legitimately' choking... they cannot speak- air cannot get in or out.

    By mentioning this, I'm not offering support for these officers... I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.

    Though you can't really argue with the outcome. Guess he proved you wrong by, you know, dying

    Was asphyxiation the official cause of death? I understood that the 'choke hold' initiated a chain of reactions in Garner, but was not the direct cause of death.

    Do I have this wrong? If so... sorry. If not... maybe check your smart ass tone.

    I'm not trying to abdicate the officers from brutality. There needed to be charges laid here.
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    edited December 2014
    He had the exact same response when I said that it's impossible to be choking if you are talking. The main factor was all of the officers kneeling on him for almost a minute while they were handcuffing him. Had they not done that, he probably would not have died. I'm aware that can never be proven, but he was breathing and conscious when the cop let go of the choke hold.

    An op-ed article from a health care professional:
    http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/05/what-everyones-missing-by-focusing-on-nypd-chokehold-of-eric-garner/
    Post edited by Last-12-Exit on
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    gimmesometruth27 wrote: »
    muskydan wrote: »
    JC29856 wrote: »
    You really think citizens go out and say "I really want to kill a cop today"? C'mon.

    # of police? # of citizens killed by police?
    # of citizens? # of cops killed by citizens?

    Choke holds due 2 things, partially cut off air to lungs, partially cut off blood to brain.
    Anyone who says, if you can talk you can breathe, have someone put you in a choke hold for 9 seconds.

    Hey JC and anyone else who thinks this is remotely acceptable . It's time to let the big boys and reasonable people in the room discuss this topic. As we all will experience this holiday season with our families there is a adult table and a children's table. You and anyone else who thinks this is justified needs to go play tidily winks at the children's table with Mayor Bill de Blasio. Stay off this one SIR…Way out of your league. REST IN PEACE OFFICER WENJIAN LIU and OFFICER RAFAEL RAMOS. ...Stay safe ALL
    he has every right to discuss this as you do.

    it isn't so funny when something happens to one of yours is it?

    see. we need to have an uncomfortable discussion about race, crime, and police use of force in this country. the ones who don't want to have it dismiss everybody else and say they should stay out of the discussion.

    the ones like me that want to have it sit back and watch the predictable deflection and shake my head.

    the failure of the justice system is what brought about today's tragedy.

    He does have a right to discuss it as others do... except he's not discussing it like others do. He's discussing it in a really childish and weird way. It's not intelligent... it's not clever... and it's not funny... it's just goofy.

    What type of comment is it isn't so funny when something happens to one of yours is it? Who ever said any of these killings were funny? By making this comment, did you mean to infer that criminals like Brown are 'one of yours'?

    Further... I don't know what you mean by stating the ones like me that want to have it sit back and watch the predictable deflection and shake my head. What is the typical deflection you expect?

    oh wait, so these same people who are so outraged by the murders of these cops did not offer commentary that is "not intelligent, not clever, not funny" in the mike brown thread? we had a first responder take over that thread and make statements exactly like that.

    and to answer your second question, you guys were joking about mike brown's death. it was funny to you guys. the entire slogan "hands up don't shoot" is funny to you guys. all of a sudden, when cops get shot in the line of duty turnabout is not fair play.

    i sit back and watch the people in this thread and others who do not want to have the conversation i was speaking of earlier as they deflect and refuse to acknowledge what led to the events of yesterday.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    muskydan wrote: »
    "something is really fucked up when you are trained that "the number one rule is to go home at the end of your shift". that gives cops a very wide latitude in making decisions. it makes them believe that they are not accountable for their actions, which in most cases, is a fact"...

    You have no idea what you are taking about...Let me make this crystal clear to you....IF WE CANNOT PROTECT OURSELVES WE PROTECT YOU...it's very simple. Going home to our familes IS and ALWAYS will be number one. If you can't wrap your brain around that then you belong at the children's table w/ that shameful NYC mayor De Blasio. STAY SAFE ALL

    police work for me. they are civil servants who are employees who i pay with my taxes. i do not want police murdering unarmed people. period. you are not a judge. you are not a jury. you are not an executioner. period.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    gimmesometruth27 wrote: »
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote: »
    gimmesometruth27 wrote: »
    muskydan wrote: »
    JC29856 wrote: »
    You really think citizens go out and say "I really want to kill a cop today"? C'mon.

    # of police? # of citizens killed by police?
    # of citizens? # of cops killed by citizens?

    Choke holds due 2 things, partially cut off air to lungs, partially cut off blood to brain.
    Anyone who says, if you can talk you can breathe, have someone put you in a choke hold for 9 seconds.

    Hey JC and anyone else who thinks this is remotely acceptable . It's time to let the big boys and reasonable people in the room discuss this topic. As we all will experience this holiday season with our families there is a adult table and a children's table. You and anyone else who thinks this is justified needs to go play tidily winks at the children's table with Mayor Bill de Blasio. Stay off this one SIR…Way out of your league. REST IN PEACE OFFICER WENJIAN LIU and OFFICER RAFAEL RAMOS. ...Stay safe ALL
    he has every right to discuss this as you do.

    it isn't so funny when something happens to one of yours is it?

    see. we need to have an uncomfortable discussion about race, crime, and police use of force in this country. the ones who don't want to have it dismiss everybody else and say they should stay out of the discussion.

    the ones like me that want to have it sit back and watch the predictable deflection and shake my head.

    the failure of the justice system is what brought about today's tragedy.

    He does have a right to discuss it as others do... except he's not discussing it like others do. He's discussing it in a really childish and weird way. It's not intelligent... it's not clever... and it's not funny... it's just goofy.

    What type of comment is it isn't so funny when something happens to one of yours is it? Who ever said any of these killings were funny? By making this comment, did you mean to infer that criminals like Brown are 'one of yours'?

    Further... I don't know what you mean by stating the ones like me that want to have it sit back and watch the predictable deflection and shake my head. What is the typical deflection you expect?

    oh wait, so these same people who are so outraged by the murders of these cops did not offer commentary that is "not intelligent, not clever, not funny" in the mike brown thread? we had a first responder take over that thread and make statements exactly like that.

    and to answer your second question, you guys were joking about mike brown's death. it was funny to you guys. the entire slogan "hands up don't shoot" is funny to you guys. all of a sudden, when cops get shot in the line of duty turnabout is not fair play.

    i sit back and watch the people in this thread and others who do not want to have the conversation i was speaking of earlier as they deflect and refuse to acknowledge what led to the events of yesterday.

    You're out of your freaking mind.

    When did I ever 'joke' about Mike Brown's death? When did I ever say the slogan is funny? For that matter... when did anyone? I've been following all these threads pretty closely and I cannot recall people chuckling and poking fun like you have suggested. Please point me to where I need to see this so I can try and understand what the hell you're talking about.

    And instead of sitting back and watching this thread as fumblers fumble through it... why don't you enlighten everyone as to why two officers were executed by some idiot? Do you seriously think this tool was motivated to die on the cross by executing two innocent cops because this was his statement against police brutality and/or racial profiling? This was a cowardly act by a loser that had nothing left to live for. If you have an alternative theory... spit it out instead of blathering ambiguously about a more refined motive.

    Would you be as 'understanding' if it was some asshole targeting pedophiles and rapists?

    Chalk one up for you guys, eh?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Gimme,Apples and Oranges.
    The cop killings in NY were premeditated ,cold blooded murder.
    The Brown case was a justified shooting in response to Brown Assulting the officer and attempting to take his gun.THIS IS A GRAND JURYS FINDINGS.

  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Similar to where is the outrage and protests when they kill each other (ignoring the fact that the black killer is likely charged convicted) there were 2 cops killed in nyc in the past 3 years (31 felonious nationwide) yet 74 nypd died from 911 related illnesses (cancer) 14 more than died as a direct result from the attacks.....where's the outrage the turning backs to Giuliani Whitman Christie the declaration of war the conviction of the lying liars?
    Then ny tried to deny compensation for their death and injuries! 100s of nypd that were on scene and first responders all suffer respiratory illness, nope not 911 air quality. Nope not the asbestos laden towers.

    I repeat more died as a result of lies about ground zero safety than from the attack 74 to 60. For arguments sake...lets say half died or got sick from working 300 hours at the site post attack and the other half died or suffered injury from the attacks that day or days after that still dwarfs the 2 killed on Sat.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/nyregion/26whitman.html?n=Top/Reference/Times Topics/Organizations/E/Environmental Protection Agency


    http://www.villagevoice.com/2007-07-31/news/rudy-giuliani-s-five-big-lies-about-9-11/full/


    http://revcom.us/a/1228/epa.htm

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