GOP takes back the house. Opinions?

backseatLover12

polaris_x said:

Millennials are born in the age of entitlement ... narcissists ... they all vote conservative ... that's the evolution of youth ...

Inhofe to lead Senate on Environment ... that pretty much sums up american politics right there ... the corrupt and ignorant leading the charge ...

Actually, for such a narcissistic group, marriage equality is certainly a common thread, legalization of marijuana as well. Sounds pretty damn liberal if you ask me, not to mention, that hardly any of them are actually voting.

rgambs

backseatLover12 said:

Go Beavers said:

backseatLover12 said:

Go Beavers said:

backseatLover12 said:

Makes no difference. The 2 party system is really one party - the machine. When are folks going to wake up to the fact that the illusion that either party makes a difference in how this country is run is a fallacy?

We're all being snowed that either party gives a damn about anything other than greed, power and themselves.

This always seemed like a cynical cop out to me. Like apathy has sunk in and you give up.

Did I say I gave up? I voted. Did you? What I say above is the way things are. Whether you choose to accept it or choose to pretend that sides make a difference.

No, I said give up, you said it 'makes no difference'. What you're describing is giving up on seeing how things are different between the two parties, and that policy is changed and programs altered because of one party having power. This happens on a national level and a state level. Watch how an original proposal gets halted or watered down because of the other party. Watch what happens when an anti-union governor gets elected compared to another state that has pro-union legislators and gov.

What you are describing are the minute details of making these 2 parties appear different. When really, they are run by the same machine. Different scapegoat at the top, same outcome. Every. single. time. The lobbyists win, not any one party.

So Democrats seek to teach creationism in school and fight unions and wage hikes? Democrats are anti-science and climate change deniers? Seems to me there are clear differences.

mickeyrat

I see this as move really to get something anything done and moving again. Its more a referendum on Reid than it is on Obama.

mickeyrat

Neither House or the Senate can or should claim any kind of mandate. When only 38% of voters show and participate then this is what you get.

Frankly I think the other 2/3's spoke very loudly. The Silence Is Deafening.

backseatLover12

rgambs said:

backseatLover12 said:

Go Beavers said:

backseatLover12 said:

Go Beavers said:

backseatLover12 said:

Makes no difference. The 2 party system is really one party - the machine. When are folks going to wake up to the fact that the illusion that either party makes a difference in how this country is run is a fallacy?

We're all being snowed that either party gives a damn about anything other than greed, power and themselves.

This always seemed like a cynical cop out to me. Like apathy has sunk in and you give up.

Did I say I gave up? I voted. Did you? What I say above is the way things are. Whether you choose to accept it or choose to pretend that sides make a difference.

No, I said give up, you said it 'makes no difference'. What you're describing is giving up on seeing how things are different between the two parties, and that policy is changed and programs altered because of one party having power. This happens on a national level and a state level. Watch how an original proposal gets halted or watered down because of the other party. Watch what happens when an anti-union governor gets elected compared to another state that has pro-union legislators and gov.

What you are describing are the minute details of making these 2 parties appear different. When really, they are run by the same machine. Different scapegoat at the top, same outcome. Every. single. time. The lobbyists win, not any one party.

So Democrats seek to teach creationism in school and fight unions and wage hikes? Democrats are anti-science and climate change deniers? Seems to me there are clear differences.

Notice how neither win. But corporations and lobbyists do...

mickeyrat

GF is your name Tony? You live In San Diego right? Do you watch or listen to Cspan?

Smellyman

Idiocracy marches on

Godfather.

mickeyrat said:

GF is your name Tony? You live In San Diego right? Do you watch or listen to Cspan?

no it's Jeff but yes sometimes I catch c-span, are you in San Diego ?

Godfather.

Godfather.

also, you probably already know when Ratt was starting out here in San Diego they played small clubs under the name MickyRat, right before they hit the bigs we were all at a friends house for a BAR-B-Q and I was talking to Robin and he said "hay we're going to Hollywood to cut an album" and I looked at my Bro and we both said 'pipe dream" hahhaha
then about 6 months to a year later I found thier first release at Tower Records......guess I was wrong LOL!

Godfather.

mickeyrat

Godfather. said:

mickeyrat said:

GF is your name Tony? You live In San Diego right? Do you watch or listen to Cspan?

no it's Jeff but yes sometimes I catch c-span, are you in San Diego ?

Godfather.

no I am not. WAS stationed at Coronado NAS a lifetime ago though.

PJ_Soul

My honest knee jerk thought is 'Wow. Americans are either stupid or oblivious or both.' Which was my same thought about Canadians when they voted in the conservatives as a majority, so please don't take offense Americans, lol.

dignin

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/nov/11/facebook-posts/congress-has-11-approval-ratings-96-incumbent-re-e/

gimmesometruth27

dignin said:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/nov/11/facebook-posts/congress-has-11-approval-ratings-96-incumbent-re-e/

everyone hates congress, but everyone loves their congressman.

go figure.

i still say the american electorate is embarrassingly ignorant.

a5pj

lolobugg said:

I am in NC and I am disappointed.
expected it to happen. The GOP has been coming on strong here appealing to the racist elements and using Obama as the bogeyman.
God, Guns and GOP down here right now.

you said it, oh and screw the kids education while you're at it.

lolobugg

a5pj said:

lolobugg said:

I am in NC and I am disappointed.
expected it to happen. The GOP has been coming on strong here appealing to the racist elements and using Obama as the bogeyman.
God, Guns and GOP down here right now.

you said it, oh and screw the kids education while you're at it.

Yep,
unless you can afford private schools.
they are systematically destroying the public schools here.

a5pj

I gotta love how the first thing all the R's that won said was how they want to start working together now and they hope now D's will actually work with them. Guess they figure most ppl forgot they shut down the gov't, made public comments that they will not support anything D's do, and said they won't help ppl just because it will look like a win for Obama (immigration comes to mind). The US population has a very short memory and they know it. Oh and suppressing minority and student voting doesn't hurt their cause either.

I also agree that it's a small swing in the large machine controlled by money and lobbyists...

rgambs

http://www.ohio.com/news/local/ohio-s-for-profit-charter-schools-drag-state-into-group-of-nation-s-worst-performers-1.539387?localLinksEnabled=false

No hope of this getting better, the GOP loves this shit!

rr165892

As an Independent who Doesn't wear a D or an R on my sleeve it's almost comical to read the same vitriolic rhetoric being blabbed from both sides.
You hard core Dems on here are blind to think this whole mess with those unproductive idiots in power is all the Republicans fault.I realize the Demographic on this board is 95% liberal Dem so opinions will be biased.But sheesh,for every claim of incompetence and Racism the D supporters throw out there,I as someone not taking sides see the incompetence and reverse racial bullshit the Dems are throwing out(Sharpton and Jackson the two biggest stirrers of the racial pot).
Until everyone of the hard line party Kool aid drinkers try's reaching a helping hand and attitude toward the other side no progress will be made.We stand divided on almost every issue with clear thinking moderates on both sides becoming extinct in favor of far right and far left ideas.This country is split down the middle almost exactly.Before either side throws stones they need to clean up their own shit,and there is plenty to clean.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

As an Independent who Doesn't wear a D or an R on my sleeve it's almost comical to read the same vitriolic rhetoric being blabbed from both sides.
You hard core Dems on here are blind to think this whole mess with those unproductive idiots in power is all the Republicans fault.I realize the Demographic on this board is 95% liberal Dem so opinions will be biased.But sheesh,for every claim of incompetence and Racism the D supporters throw out there,I as someone not taking sides see the incompetence and reverse racial bullshit the Dems are throwing out(Sharpton and Jackson the two biggest stirrers of the racial pot).
Until everyone of the hard line party Kool aid drinkers try's reaching a helping hand and attitude toward the other side no progress will be made.We stand divided on almost every issue with clear thinking moderates on both sides becoming extinct in favor of far right and far left ideas.This country is split down the middle almost exactly.Before either side throws stones they need to clean up their own shit,and there is plenty to clean.

I agree for the most part except where you said "far left"... If you look at it from a historic perspective the whole system is shifted rightward and the " lefties" are what used to be center. Where are the open communists and socialists? Where are the truly anti-corporate politicians? Where are the truly antiwar politicians? The true non-interventionists? They don't exist because the whole system has been dragged to the right.

lolobugg

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

As an Independent who Doesn't wear a D or an R on my sleeve it's almost comical to read the same vitriolic rhetoric being blabbed from both sides.
You hard core Dems on here are blind to think this whole mess with those unproductive idiots in power is all the Republicans fault.I realize the Demographic on this board is 95% liberal Dem so opinions will be biased.But sheesh,for every claim of incompetence and Racism the D supporters throw out there,I as someone not taking sides see the incompetence and reverse racial bullshit the Dems are throwing out(Sharpton and Jackson the two biggest stirrers of the racial pot).
Until everyone of the hard line party Kool aid drinkers try's reaching a helping hand and attitude toward the other side no progress will be made.We stand divided on almost every issue with clear thinking moderates on both sides becoming extinct in favor of far right and far left ideas.This country is split down the middle almost exactly.Before either side throws stones they need to clean up their own shit,and there is plenty to clean.

I agree for the most part except where you said "far left"... If you look at it from a historic perspective the whole system is shifted rightward and the " lefties" are what used to be center. Where are the open communists and socialists? Where are the truly anti-corporate politicians? Where are the truly antiwar politicians? The true non-interventionists? They don't exist because the whole system has been dragged to the right.

I would consider myself left of the democrats. I am an independent. the dems are too soft for me. One of the reasons they got destroyed is that they don't stand up for their beliefs anymore. Too scared of the Republicans to stand up for anything. There is no party that represents my beliefs. Dems are prob the closest but I have very little respect for most of them.

josevolution

rr165892 said:

As an Independent who Doesn't wear a D or an R on my sleeve it's almost comical to read the same vitriolic rhetoric being blabbed from both sides.
You hard core Dems on here are blind to think this whole mess with those unproductive idiots in power is all the Republicans fault.I realize the Demographic on this board is 95% liberal Dem so opinions will be biased.But sheesh,for every claim of incompetence and Racism the D supporters throw out there,I as someone not taking sides see the incompetence and reverse racial bullshit the Dems are throwing out(Sharpton and Jackson the two biggest stirrers of the racial pot).
Until everyone of the hard line party Kool aid drinkers try's reaching a helping hand and attitude toward the other side no progress will be made.We stand divided on almost every issue with clear thinking moderates on both sides becoming extinct in favor of far right and far left ideas.This country is split down the middle almost exactly.Before either side throws stones they need to clean up their own shit,and there is plenty to clean.

I agree with most what you said but if i remember correctly the division started when ? as soon as OBAMA took office what was the 1st thing Republicans said our main objective is to block anything Obama puts forth & as far as i see it that was the 1st shot across the bow .....It could also be that i don't know shit about what i spew ...

rr165892

josevolution said:

rr165892 said:

As an Independent who Doesn't wear a D or an R on my sleeve it's almost comical to read the same vitriolic rhetoric being blabbed from both sides.
You hard core Dems on here are blind to think this whole mess with those unproductive idiots in power is all the Republicans fault.I realize the Demographic on this board is 95% liberal Dem so opinions will be biased.But sheesh,for every claim of incompetence and Racism the D supporters throw out there,I as someone not taking sides see the incompetence and reverse racial bullshit the Dems are throwing out(Sharpton and Jackson the two biggest stirrers of the racial pot).
Until everyone of the hard line party Kool aid drinkers try's reaching a helping hand and attitude toward the other side no progress will be made.We stand divided on almost every issue with clear thinking moderates on both sides becoming extinct in favor of far right and far left ideas.This country is split down the middle almost exactly.Before either side throws stones they need to clean up their own shit,and there is plenty to clean.

I agree with most what you said but if i remember correctly the division started when ? as soon as OBAMA took office what was the 1st thing Republicans said our main objective is to block anything Obama puts forth & as far as i see it that was the 1st shot across the bow .....It could also be that i don't know shit about what i spew ...

Jose,someone always starts it.One side or the other.Both parties have been neglect in their workmanship skills.I think we may be heading into a presidency that is a bit bit centrist this time around which is promising .
Hillary or Jeb both know how to work across the isle and have track records of bipartisan cooperation.So I guess some hope is coming.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

josevolution said:

rr165892 said:

As an Independent who Doesn't wear a D or an R on my sleeve it's almost comical to read the same vitriolic rhetoric being blabbed from both sides.
You hard core Dems on here are blind to think this whole mess with those unproductive idiots in power is all the Republicans fault.I realize the Demographic on this board is 95% liberal Dem so opinions will be biased.But sheesh,for every claim of incompetence and Racism the D supporters throw out there,I as someone not taking sides see the incompetence and reverse racial bullshit the Dems are throwing out(Sharpton and Jackson the two biggest stirrers of the racial pot).
Until everyone of the hard line party Kool aid drinkers try's reaching a helping hand and attitude toward the other side no progress will be made.We stand divided on almost every issue with clear thinking moderates on both sides becoming extinct in favor of far right and far left ideas.This country is split down the middle almost exactly.Before either side throws stones they need to clean up their own shit,and there is plenty to clean.

I agree with most what you said but if i remember correctly the division started when ? as soon as OBAMA took office what was the 1st thing Republicans said our main objective is to block anything Obama puts forth & as far as i see it that was the 1st shot across the bow .....It could also be that i don't know shit about what i spew ...

Jose,someone always starts it.One side or the other.Both parties have been neglect in their workmanship skills.I think we may be heading into a presidency that is a bit bit centrist this time around which is promising .
Hillary or Jeb both know how to work across the isle and have track records of bipartisan cooperation.So I guess some hope is coming.

That is exactly what scares me about these two candidates. They are known for cooperating, with the corporate powers. More citizens united shenaniganery, goodbye net neutrality, more team america world police, goodbye hopes of a good version of ACA, more tax cuts for the top 1%, goodbye small businesses.... A continuation of the Clinton or Bush dynasty is not what we need to reclaim our democratic principles.

rr165892

Gambs,I think is happen ending regardless of candidate or party.Its systemic.Until we only let politicians serve 1 term and they do away with the need for reelection funds.

bootlegger10

polaris_x said:

Millennials are born in the age of entitlement ... narcissists ... they all vote conservative ... that's the evolution of youth ...

Inhofe to lead Senate on Environment ... that pretty much sums up american politics right there ... the corrupt and ignorant leading the charge ...

I think you have it backwards on the party seeking entitlements.

rgambs

rr165892 said:

Gambs,I think is happen ending regardless of candidate or party.Its systemic.Until we only let politicians serve 1 term and they do away with the need for reelection funds.

That's a good solutions right there. Or maybe 2 terms and a new candidacy platform. A YouTube for public service, with free, equal access...let the people decide, not the money.

josevolution

rr165892 said:

josevolution said:

rr165892 said:

As an Independent who Doesn't wear a D or an R on my sleeve it's almost comical to read the same vitriolic rhetoric being blabbed from both sides.
You hard core Dems on here are blind to think this whole mess with those unproductive idiots in power is all the Republicans fault.I realize the Demographic on this board is 95% liberal Dem so opinions will be biased.But sheesh,for every claim of incompetence and Racism the D supporters throw out there,I as someone not taking sides see the incompetence and reverse racial bullshit the Dems are throwing out(Sharpton and Jackson the two biggest stirrers of the racial pot).
Until everyone of the hard line party Kool aid drinkers try's reaching a helping hand and attitude toward the other side no progress will be made.We stand divided on almost every issue with clear thinking moderates on both sides becoming extinct in favor of far right and far left ideas.This country is split down the middle almost exactly.Before either side throws stones they need to clean up their own shit,and there is plenty to clean.

I agree with most what you said but if i remember correctly the division started when ? as soon as OBAMA took office what was the 1st thing Republicans said our main objective is to block anything Obama puts forth & as far as i see it that was the 1st shot across the bow .....It could also be that i don't know shit about what i spew ...

Jose,someone always starts it.One side or the other.Both parties have been neglect in their workmanship skills.I think we may be heading into a presidency that is a bit bit centrist this time around which is promising .
Hillary or Jeb both know how to work across the isle and have track records of bipartisan cooperation.So I guess some hope is coming.

I really hope you are correct sir cause the way these last 6 yrs or so has been a debacle as far as working with eachother for the good of the common people are concerned ....

know1

mickeyrat said:

Neither House or the Senate can or should claim any kind of mandate. When only 38% of voters show and participate then this is what you get.

Frankly I think the other 2/3's spoke very loudly. The Silence Is Deafening.

The other 2/3 need to vote out all incumbents if they want to make a difference. I'm doing this until they finally impose term limits.

mickeyrat

know1 said:

mickeyrat said:

Neither House or the Senate can or should claim any kind of mandate. When only 38% of voters show and participate then this is what you get.

Frankly I think the other 2/3's spoke very loudly. The Silence Is Deafening.

The other 2/3 need to vote out all incumbents if they want to make a difference. I'm doing this until they finally impose term limits.

well, its a reasonable argument that there are term limits each election. However the point also needs to be made that serving in either chamber wasnt necessarily intended to be a fucking retiring career choice.

I think if we aren't going to have limits in place for The Congress as a whole , then they need to remove the limit of 2 terms on the president.


Really, though unless and until every state adopts some kind of nonpartisan redistricting , nothing is going to change at all. Even with new people being voted in.

Fiance's daughter didnt vote. college student. Kind of insane if you ask me. she is picking up the last two years of her loans by herself. $$$ Liberal Arts school. Would have thought she might be more long term view on this. Shame.

riotgrl

Sad to say, I'm from KY and the boobs in this state reelected that douche McConnell. Typical drivel is that he's the lesser of two evils, there aren't any better choices, blah, blah, blah. Until voters get their head out of their ass things will never change. I've voted every which way, independent, republican, democrat and at the end of the day I think they are all the same. Out for number one and a slave to corporate interests. If American's could ever realize that these politicians are pandering to the beliefs of their constituents then they might quit electing and reelecting the same people, regardless of party affiliation, and start sending a real message. I'll start holding my breath now.