Imagine, really imagine what the world would be

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    edited October 2014
    ^^^ Nicely said benjs. And thanks for the Carlin laugh- always perks me up, especially when fighting a nasty case of Ebola. (Naww, just trying to shake things up but I do have some friggin bug holding me down.)
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited October 2014
    mattsl1983 said:

    To clarify things, this is my opinion of the song and why I feel the way I do about (thanks brianlux)

    The world and ideas of the song Imagine when I really think about it, is a scary world. It's a world where we all agree on everything. I know people will say that's a rather large generalization. But imagining no religion, no boarders, no possessions are very large generalizations in themselves. Expecially if you you actually think of what each of those really are. Religion = personal choice to believe in anything they choose. Boarders = security. Your home, what makes you feel secure. Possessions = your things. The things that you work hard for to acquire. Goes beyond consumables, to things you want and you save for. The world of imagine being absent of these just three things, leaves us with what? It strikes me as a scary state to live in. I feel much more is lost in that society than is achieved.

    Regardless of how you choose to interpret the song, it was not written to be interpreted the way you are choosing to interpret it. Understand that.

    Many artists (like EV, as he's mentioned over the years that his songs are up to the listener's interpretation) choose to leave their songs open for interpretation. But Imagine has a clear agenda from its writer and we know what he meant when he wrote it. It's about imagining a world with no conflict, imagining no religion to separate humanity and using it to create conflict, imagining not using the borders that separate us to cause conflict, and (gasp!) imagining that our possessions don't define us (and cause conflict). It's no secret that Lennon was a powerful peace advocate, idealistic in nature and choosing to imagine the possibility that we could overcome ourselves as adversaries and actually get along world-wide as a possible hopeful idea, if not a reality. It's that idea, that we could erase these circumstances that causes us to find fault with each other, divide us and keep us at war with one another on a global level that the song is about.

    The ability of someone to rip apart this song, and make it something that it is completely not, makes no sense to me. It's the most simplistic idea, yet some insist on not comprehending it. You are not being idealistic or open minded, OP, John Lennon was.

    Imagine not being offended by things that had no intention to offend.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    thank you, thirty bills
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    You are not your fucking khakis.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Huh. I thought that said you are not fucking your khakis.

    Then I thought, why would I want to?
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    I think the world can live in peace like a musical masterpiece or heaps of them , harmoniously composed with no chaotic mess ups, yes I can imagine it a possibility, there's an old dance song I don't really like but it's true "" rhythm is a dancer"" by Snap when things turn out nicely you never say I could get sick of this, just like you don't get sick of your meals,shit and sleep each day.. That's my 2 bob
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited October 2014
    sure.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo-wkv8gW6k

    You are not your job, you're not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You are not your fucking khakis.
    I'm not passing judgement or saying I don't fall into the trap myself, but MANY, many people think that they are what they own.
    Post edited by ikiT on
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    Imagine a world with no assholes.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    mickeyrat said:

    Imagine a world with no assholes.

    WINNER
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    I would just like to interject that I am, in fact, my khakis.

    Thank you
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    badbrains said:

    mickeyrat said:

    Imagine a world with no assholes.

    WINNER
    that show I interpret the song.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    the tiki bomb said:

    sure.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo-wkv8gW6k

    You are not your job, you're not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You are not your fucking khakis.
    I'm not passing judgement or saying I don't fall into the trap myself, but MANY, many people think that they are what they own.

    I get it.

    Thanks to my parents for teaching / demonstrating to me that character and integrity trump the material. Especially valuable being born and living in LA.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    mattsl1983 said:

    To clarify things, this is my opinion of the song and why I feel the way I do about (thanks brianlux)

    The world and ideas of the song Imagine when I really think about it, is a scary world. It's a world where we all agree on everything. I know people will say that's a rather large generalization. But imagining no religion, no boarders, no possessions are very large generalizations in themselves. Expecially if you you actually think of what each of those really are. Religion = personal choice to believe in anything they choose. Boarders = security. Your home, what makes you feel secure. Possessions = your things. The things that you work hard for to acquire. Goes beyond
    consumables, to things you want and you save for. The world of imagine being absent of these just three things, leaves us with what? It strikes me as a scary state to live in. I feel much more is lost in that society than is achieved.

    Why over analyze the song ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Peace, man!
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    I lost my khakis, experienced an extreme existential crisis, became the straight jacket that I was for years and then re-entered the world naked and free.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,306
    put some clothes on for petes sake, this is a family forum!!!!!
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Damn you all and your khakis. I've now got that Seinfeld in my head with the cotton fucking dockers.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    hedonist said:

    Damn you all and your khakis. I've now got that Seinfeld in my head with the cotton fucking dockers.

    Don't remember that one. Dockers, perma-press shirts and Bic pens. God help us!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jerry: (Looks at his pants) Tan pants. Why do I buy tan pants, Donna? I don't feel comfortable in them.

    Donna: Are those Cotton Dockers?

    Jerry: Oh, I can't begin to tell you how much I hate that commercial.

    Donna: Really? I like that commercial. (Jerry pauses)

    Jerry: You like that commercial?

    Donna: Yeah, it's clever.

    Jerry: Now wait a second, you mean the one where the guys are all standing around, supposedly being very casual and witty?

    Donna: Yeah, that's the one.

    Jerry: What could you possibly like about that?

    Donna: I don't know, I like the guys.

    Jerry: Yeah, they're so funny and so comfortable with each other, and I could be comfortable too, if I had pants like that. I could sit on a porch and wrestle around, and maybe even be part of a real bull session.

    Donna: Hey, I know guys like that. To me the dialogue rings true.

    Jerry: (Shrugs. Pause) Even if the dialogue did ring true. Even if somehow somewhere men actually talk like that, what does that have to do with the pants? Doesn't that bother you?

    Donna: (Increasingly annoyed) That's the idea. That's what's clever about it, that they're not talking about the pants.

    Jerry: But they're talking about nothing.

    Donna: That's the point.

    Jerry: I know the point.

    Donna: No one is telling you to like it.

    Jerry: I mean, all those quick shots of the pants, just pants, pants,,pants, pants, pants, pants, pants. What is that supposed to be?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,655
    ^^^ pants, just pants, pants,,pants, pants, pants, pants, pants :-))
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











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