I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.
True. And Leonard Peltier still resides in jail today for a crime that he didn't commit back in 1976. And the majority of native Americans continue to live in abject poverty within one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.
yes I disagree.
Godfather.
You disagree, you think the genocide was not racist or that it no longer needs to be acknowledged?
I think we should learn from the past and learn about the past but never dwell on the past,move forward...most people add their own twist on past history and pick and choose what parts they believe to be true.
Godfather.
With all due respect, GF, we're not just talking about the past. We're talking about today, right now.
Also, if part of your disagreement is over the innocence of Leonard Peltier, maybe seeing this film would give you cause to change your mind:
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
Godfather.
Fuckin'- A , GF, WTF???
I hope you're kidding.Please tell us you're kidding.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
Godfather.
Fuckin'- A , GF, WTF???
I hope you're kidding.Please tell us you're kidding.
"Admire me, admire my home Admire my son, admire my clones 'Cause we know, appetite for a nightly feast Those ignorant Indians got nothin' on me Nothin', why? Because... it's evolution, baby!"
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
Godfather.
Fuckin'- A , GF, WTF???
I hope you're kidding.Please tell us you're kidding.
"Admire me, admire my home Admire my son, admire my clones 'Cause we know, appetite for a nightly feast Those ignorant Indians got nothin' on me Nothin', why? Because... it's evolution, baby!"
One of PJ's best, for sure!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I heard the best live version of it that I've ever heard recently - but now I've forgotten which live show it was. I need to rack my brains to try and remember.
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
it's always the same thing around here, racism and America is the worst of all according to Byrnzie and then there are the Byrnzie Buddy's that can't wait to follow his rant so sometimes I just have to laugh, we are all intitled to an opinion right ? ...I mean really..a topic titled worst racist country..we just can't get enough racism here on the train and everything that happens is underlined with racism....LMAO ! here's a quote from somebody other than Eddie. "everything we do comes first from our imagination"
it's always the same thing around here, racism and America is the worst of all according to Byrnzie and then there are the Byrnzie Buddy's that can't wait to follow his rant so sometimes I just have to laugh, we are all intitled to an opinion right ? ...I mean really..a topic titled worst racist country..we just can't get enough racism here on the train and everything that happens is underlined with racism....LMAO ! here's a quote from somebody other than Eddie. "everything we do comes first from our imagination"
Godfather.
Get what your saying on thread subject. Didn't know how to approach it and started off bad. Well till your post. Ha!
Love it when you rowl up the troops. We can be like a pack animals just waiting, waiting, waiting then pounce on you evil righties.
Said before I'm glad you and Unsung and others have different viewpoints. You have fortitude.
Would suck if we were all liberal pinko commie tree huggers.
it's always the same thing around here, racism and America is the worst of all according to Byrnzie and then there are the Byrnzie Buddy's that can't wait to follow his rant so sometimes I just have to laugh, we are all intitled to an opinion right ? ...I mean really..a topic titled worst racist country..we just can't get enough racism here on the train and everything that happens is underlined with racism....LMAO ! here's a quote from somebody other than Eddie. "everything we do comes first from our imagination"
Godfather.
I would reply to this gibberish but the moderators would probably ban me for being 'offensive' and 'belittling'.
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
Godfather.
WOW, wait, WHAT? WTF? Really?
Yes, really. Just in case you thought the character in 'Do The Evolution' didn't have its counterpart in reality.
after you shut off the T.V set and turn out the lights to go to bed think about the technology this country has achieved just in it's first 100 years and a 100 years or so later we landed a man on the moon,invented the home computer and ...the cell phone ) lets see you do that on the back of a horse or in a tee-pee. )
Godfather.
WOW, wait, WHAT? WTF? Really?
Yes, really. Just in case you thought the character in 'Do The Evolution' didn't have its counterpart in reality.
Now everytime I see this live I'm gonna have a picture in my head of Brando wrapped in an American flag singing those lines.....
The institutionalized racism that ALL people of color face in the Unites States DAILY is not the same as your grandpappys overt shit or the banana throwing European brand. Take a drive through parts of Baltimore or Detroit or Los Angeles and look at it yourself.
If racism bothers you so much Beezie, (judging by just the last 250 of your 20k+ posts, everything does...) then I challenge you to actually DO something about it. Instead of starting and then contributing to a number of inflammatory and generally unhelpful discussions about racism or war (on the Pearl Jam website ?? of all places...), then copying other peoples opinions from the web for days, why don't you actually formulate your own original viewpoint and then work toward change?
I don't know you at all, but it seems to me like you thoroughly enjoy the sound of yourself typing...what if you refocused that energy toward something positive?
So Beez, a year in, what are your thoughts on Lightning Bolt?
The institutionalized racism that ALL people of color face in the Unites States DAILY is not the same as your grandpappys overt shit or the banana throwing European brand. Take a drive through parts of Baltimore or Detroit or Los Angeles and look at it yourself.
If racism bothers you so much Beezie, (judging by just the last 250 of your 20k+ posts, everything does...) then I challenge you to actually DO something about it. Instead of starting and then contributing to a number of inflammatory and generally unhelpful discussions about racism or war (on the Pearl Jam website ?? of all places...), then copying other peoples opinions from the web for days, why don't you actually formulate your own original viewpoint and then work toward change?
I don't know you at all, but it seems to me like you thoroughly enjoy the sound of yourself typing...what if you refocused that energy toward something positive?
So Beez, a year in, what are your thoughts on Lightning Bolt?
Sorry tiki bomb, but this post has me scratching my head. For one, if you read the last 250 posts by Byrnzie, I'd assume you'd have known his name (not Beezie). My name is Ben - if someone called me Bon over and over again I'd get a bit frustrated.
For another, typically we are welcome to share our opinions, and seek to back those up with evidence, as provided through a multitude of voices who are seen as experts on a topic. Had Byrnzie not posted anything, I suspect you'd have some choice words for his opinion (i.e. non-factual) posts.
As far as 'inflammatory' remarks go, I've seen none of those on this thread from Byrnzie. Is he drawing attention to unfounded racism? Certainly. Is he contributing it himself? I haven't seen anything to that effect. I rarely see bringing awareness to the masses (or the educated minority, as I believe us to be here collectively) to be a bad thing, and you have the right to refute anything with evidences just as Byrnzie does.
Next topic: the location of this thread. This is called "A Moving Train". The purpose of it, is to share "Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new." If you want to read about Pearl Jam, the easy solution is to leave this part of the board. I think we all hang out here because we see the value in differing opinions and an intelligent audience.
As far as actionable follow-up goes, I'm absolutely an advocate for that, and I do too question what we can do as a next step once we recognize these problems.
I'm sorry to be brash and condescending here, but what would you propose Byrnzie's positive acts be - pivoting this conversation to discuss a Pearl Jam album? Seriously?
'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
The institutionalized racism that ALL people of color face in the Unites States DAILY is not the same as your grandpappys overt shit or the banana throwing European brand. Take a drive through parts of Baltimore or Detroit or Los Angeles and look at it yourself.
If racism bothers you so much Beezie, (judging by just the last 250 of your 20k+ posts, everything does...) then I challenge you to actually DO something about it. Instead of starting and then contributing to a number of inflammatory and generally unhelpful discussions about racism or war (on the Pearl Jam website ?? of all places...), then copying other peoples opinions from the web for days, why don't you actually formulate your own original viewpoint and then work toward change?
I don't know you at all, but it seems to me like you thoroughly enjoy the sound of yourself typing...what if you refocused that energy toward something positive?
So Beez, a year in, what are your thoughts on Lightning Bolt?
Sorry tiki bomb, but this post has me scratching my head. For one, if you read the last 250 posts by Byrnzie, I'd assume you'd have known his name (not Beezie). My name is Ben - if someone called me Bon over and over again I'd get a bit frustrated.
For another, typically we are welcome to share our opinions, and seek to back those up with evidence, as provided through a multitude of voices who are seen as experts on a topic. Had Byrnzie not posted anything, I suspect you'd have some choice words for his opinion (i.e. non-factual) posts.
As far as 'inflammatory' remarks go, I've seen none of those on this thread from Byrnzie. Is he drawing attention to unfounded racism? Certainly. Is he contributing it himself? I haven't seen anything to that effect. I rarely see bringing awareness to the masses (or the educated minority, as I believe us to be here collectively) to be a bad thing, and you have the right to refute anything with evidences just as Byrnzie does.
Next topic: the location of this thread. This is called "A Moving Train". The purpose of it, is to share "Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new." If you want to read about Pearl Jam, the easy solution is to leave this part of the board. I think we all hang out here because we see the value in differing opinions and an intelligent audience.
As far as actionable follow-up goes, I'm absolutely an advocate for that, and I do too question what we can do as a next step once we recognize these problems.
I'm sorry to be brash and condescending here, but what would you propose Byrnzie's positive acts be - pivoting this conversation to discuss a Pearl Jam album? Seriously?
Thanks. But I think you're wasting your time responding intelligently to the shit bomb. Looks like an obvious case of trolling to me. Obviously I would love to tell the shit bomb what I really think of his trolling nonsense, but again, I'd be accused of offending or belittling him if I did.
The institutionalized racism that ALL people of color face in the Unites States DAILY is not the same as your grandpappys overt shit or the banana throwing European brand. Take a drive through parts of Baltimore or Detroit or Los Angeles and look at it yourself.
If racism bothers you so much Beezie, (judging by just the last 250 of your 20k+ posts, everything does...) then I challenge you to actually DO something about it. Instead of starting and then contributing to a number of inflammatory and generally unhelpful discussions about racism or war (on the Pearl Jam website ?? of all places...), then copying other peoples opinions from the web for days, why don't you actually formulate your own original viewpoint and then work toward change?
I don't know you at all, but it seems to me like you thoroughly enjoy the sound of yourself typing...what if you refocused that energy toward something positive?
So Beez, a year in, what are your thoughts on Lightning Bolt?
Sorry tiki bomb, but this post has me scratching my head. For one, if you read the last 250 posts by Byrnzie, I'd assume you'd have known his name (not Beezie). My name is Ben - if someone called me Bon over and over again I'd get a bit frustrated.
For another, typically we are welcome to share our opinions, and seek to back those up with evidence, as provided through a multitude of voices who are seen as experts on a topic. Had Byrnzie not posted anything, I suspect you'd have some choice words for his opinion (i.e. non-factual) posts.
As far as 'inflammatory' remarks go, I've seen none of those on this thread from Byrnzie. Is he drawing attention to unfounded racism? Certainly. Is he contributing it himself? I haven't seen anything to that effect. I rarely see bringing awareness to the masses (or the educated minority, as I believe us to be here collectively) to be a bad thing, and you have the right to refute anything with evidences just as Byrnzie does.
Next topic: the location of this thread. This is called "A Moving Train". The purpose of it, is to share "Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new." If you want to read about Pearl Jam, the easy solution is to leave this part of the board. I think we all hang out here because we see the value in differing opinions and an intelligent audience.
As far as actionable follow-up goes, I'm absolutely an advocate for that, and I do too question what we can do as a next step once we recognize these problems.
I'm sorry to be brash and condescending here, but what would you propose Byrnzie's positive acts be - pivoting this conversation to discuss a Pearl Jam album? Seriously?
Thanks. But I think you're wasting your time responding intelligently to the shit bomb. Looks like an obvious case of trolling to me. Obviously I would love to tell the shit bomb what I really think of his trolling nonsense, but again, I'd be accused of offending or belittling him if I did.
He can complain about me to the mods instead if he cares to then. If there's one thing I hate it's statements designed to suppress and snuff clear and reasonable discussion.
'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
If there's one thing I hate it's statements designed to suppress and snuff clear and reasonable discussion.
Some people are just uncomfortable discussing certain topics, so they focus on the person instead as a way of deflecting. It's much easier to talk shit about somebody than to engage in the discussion at hand. Take a look at the article by Glenn Greenwald I posted on the Chomsky thread here on page one of the train on the subject of people attacking the character of those whose views they find unpalatable.
it's always the same thing around here, racism and America is the worst of all according to Byrnzie and then there are the Byrnzie Buddy's that can't wait to follow his rant so sometimes I just have to laugh, we are all intitled to an opinion right ? ...I mean really..a topic titled worst racist country..we just can't get enough racism here on the train and everything that happens is underlined with racism....LMAO ! here's a quote from somebody other than Eddie. "everything we do comes first from our imagination"
Godfather.
Continually denying the existence of, and belittling the impact of racism IS racism.
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Also, if part of your disagreement is over the innocence of Leonard Peltier, maybe seeing this film would give you cause to change your mind:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104504/
That Peltier has never been granted parole is both a tragedy and a travesty.
Godfather.
I hope you're kidding.Please tell us you're kidding.
Part 2:
Admire my son, admire my clones
'Cause we know, appetite for a nightly feast
Those ignorant Indians got nothin' on me
Nothin', why?
Because... it's evolution, baby!"
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Godfather.
so sometimes I just have to laugh, we are all intitled to an opinion right ? ...I mean really..a topic titled worst racist country..we just can't get enough racism here on the train and everything that happens is underlined with racism....LMAO ! here's a quote from somebody other than Eddie. "everything we do comes first from our imagination"
Godfather.
Two time champions!
Well till your post. Ha!
Love it when you rowl up the troops. We can be like a pack animals just waiting, waiting, waiting then pounce on you evil righties.
Said before I'm glad you and Unsung and others have different viewpoints. You have fortitude.
Would suck if we were all liberal pinko commie tree huggers.
>:)
If racism bothers you so much Beezie, (judging by just the last 250 of your 20k+ posts, everything does...) then I challenge you to actually DO something about it. Instead of starting and then contributing to a number of inflammatory and generally unhelpful discussions about racism or war (on the Pearl Jam website ?? of all places...), then copying other peoples opinions from the web for days, why don't you actually formulate your own original viewpoint and then work toward change?
I don't know you at all, but it seems to me like you thoroughly enjoy the sound of yourself typing...what if you refocused that energy toward something positive?
So Beez, a year in, what are your thoughts on Lightning Bolt?
For another, typically we are welcome to share our opinions, and seek to back those up with evidence, as provided through a multitude of voices who are seen as experts on a topic. Had Byrnzie not posted anything, I suspect you'd have some choice words for his opinion (i.e. non-factual) posts.
As far as 'inflammatory' remarks go, I've seen none of those on this thread from Byrnzie. Is he drawing attention to unfounded racism? Certainly. Is he contributing it himself? I haven't seen anything to that effect. I rarely see bringing awareness to the masses (or the educated minority, as I believe us to be here collectively) to be a bad thing, and you have the right to refute anything with evidences just as Byrnzie does.
Next topic: the location of this thread. This is called "A Moving Train". The purpose of it, is to share "Politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - we can all learn something new." If you want to read about Pearl Jam, the easy solution is to leave this part of the board. I think we all hang out here because we see the value in differing opinions and an intelligent audience.
As far as actionable follow-up goes, I'm absolutely an advocate for that, and I do too question what we can do as a next step once we recognize these problems.
I'm sorry to be brash and condescending here, but what would you propose Byrnzie's positive acts be - pivoting this conversation to discuss a Pearl Jam album? Seriously?
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Obviously I would love to tell the shit bomb what I really think of his trolling nonsense, but again, I'd be accused of offending or belittling him if I did.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Take a look at the article by Glenn Greenwald I posted on the Chomsky thread here on page one of the train on the subject of people attacking the character of those whose views they find unpalatable.
Continually denying the existence of, and belittling the impact of racism IS racism.