What's the most racist country on the planet?

Byrnzie

I've been thinking about this quite a bit recently whilst reading a book on Australia's treatment of the Aboriginals called 'Terra Nullius'.

I'd say it's a toss-up between Australia and Israel.

What do you think?

unsung

Zimbabwe

Byrnzie

unsung said:

Zimbabwe

In what way? You mean white racism against blacks, or blacks against the white landowners?
And Is it comparable to the level of institutional racism in, say, Australia?

Byrnzie

Anyone seen John Pilger's most recent documentary, 'Utopia'?
It's pretty damning.

blueandwhite

I'm not even sure how you could measure something like this. There are so many nations where racial tensions run rampant that it would be impossible to give an objective answer. I can say that Canada's treatment of our own indigenous peoples has not been all that different than Australia's. I can't speak for the records of other countries when it comes to racial prejudice but I can say for certain that Canada's record is abysmal. Our own Prime Minister has a pretty terrible track record when it comes to the treatment of our First Nations peoples and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.

When your elected officials don't care about the indigenous peoples of your country, what does that say about the people that put them in power in the first place?
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/national-inquiry-into-missing-and-murdered-aboriginal-women/

Byrnzie

They should conduct surveys on this question every year like they do with the 'What's the best country to live in?' survey.

Byrnzie

From a few years ago:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/un-rights-chief-slams-racist-australia-20110526-1f4yy.html
UN rights chief slams 'racist' Australia
May 26, 2011

The United Nations's top human rights watchdog has attacked Australia's tough refugee policies and the treatment of outback Aborigines, saying there was a strong undercurrent of racism in the country.

Long-standing policies of locking up asylum seekers had "cast a shadow over Australia's human rights record", and appeared to be completely arbitrary, UN Human Rights Commissioner Navi Pillay said.

"I come from South Africa and lived under this, and am every way attuned to seeing racial discrimination," Ms Pillay, a former anti-apartheid campaigner and international criminal court judge, said at the end of a six-day visit.

"There is a racial discriminatory element here which I see as rather inhumane treatment of people, judged by their differences: racial, colour or religions," she said.

......

Byrnzie

blueandwhite said:

I'm not even sure how you could measure something like this. There are so many nations where racial tensions run rampant that it would be impossible to give an objective answer. I can say that Canada's treatment of our own indigenous peoples has not been all that different than Australia's. I can't speak for the records of other countries when it comes to racial prejudice but I can say for certain that Canada's record is abysmal. Our own Prime Minister has a pretty terrible track record when it comes to the treatment of our First Nations peoples and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.

When your elected officials don't care about the indigenous peoples of your country, what does that say about the people that put them in power in the first place?
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/national-inquiry-into-missing-and-murdered-aboriginal-women/

Makes you take a step back and ask yourself what century you're living in. Indigenous peoples are still being squeezed hard even in this day and age. Reading some of these reports makes you wonder if we're still living in the 19th century.

Byrnzie

John Pilger - Utopia [2013] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ht2Y8JJ5E

JWPearl

Byrnzie said:

I've been thinking about this quite a bit recently whilst reading a book on Australia's treatment of the Aboriginals called 'Terra Nullius'.

I'd say it's a toss-up between Australia and Israel.

What do you think?

I have to agree Australia, but in the defense of Australians, as an innocent bystander, I have been punched by an aboriginal, almost raped by an aboriginal, and most aboriginals accept for a few responsible half casts are unemployed uneducated, sniff glue, drink alcohol, and break in and steal with knives as a weapon, they rape even the elderly and they pass by on the street swearing their dispute amongst themselves in public making a big scene.
The government is part to blame always saying sorry but only recently have they been forced to go to school and get an education.
So because only the minority work and are normal the unemployed have a bad reputation, and in all honest I have to worry about my daughter waiting at a bus stop during the day in case a few of them show up because chances are she could be robbed and depending where she is also have to worry about rape as well, frankly I dont like the majority of them because of this, but I respect the ones who are working and they have it hard because of their relatives botting everything.
Sad thing is they dont know any better because they get given many priviledges here in Australia, more than your typical Australian but they lacked education enforcement so theft is the only way to live and its normally at knife point in your own home, while your in it.

Byrnzie

JWPearl said:

I have to agree Australia, but in the defense of Australians, as an innocent bystander, I have been punched by an aboriginal, almost raped by an aboriginal, and most aboriginals accept for a few responsible half casts are unemployed uneducated, sniff glue, drink alcohol, and break in and steal with knives as a weapon, they rape even the elderly and they pass by on the street swearing their dispute amongst themselves in public making a big scene.
The government is part to blame always saying sorry but only recently have they been forced to go to school and get an education.
So because only the minority work and are normal the unemployed have a bad reputation, and in all honest I have to worry about my daughter waiting at a bus stop during the day in case a few of them show up because chances are she could be robbed and depending where she is also have to worry about rape as well, frankly I dont like the majority of them because of this, but I respect the ones who are working and they have it hard because of their relatives botting everything.
Sad thing is they dont know any better because they get given many priviledges here in Australia, more than your typical Australian but they lacked education enforcement so theft is the only way to live and its normally at knife point in your own home, while your in it.

First of all, why do you think Australia is the most racist country?
Secondly, why is the government 'to blame for saying sorry'? What did the government say sorry for? As I understand it, they said sorry for carrying out campaigns of mass extermination - genocide, stealing the land, kidnapping aboriginal children from their families, e.t.c. What do you mean when you say that the government is to blame for saying sorry?
Lastly, you say that they get given many privileges - 'more than your typical Australian'. What privileges are they? Are you suggesting that Aboriginals are genetically predisposed to drunkenness, laziness, theft and rape?

Byrnzie

I asked an Australian here in China what he thinks of Aboriginals - as I always do when I meet an Australian - and this was his reply: "They're lazy drunks who fuck their own children".

JWPearl

Byrnzie said:

JWPearl said:

I have to agree Australia, but in the defense of Australians, as an innocent bystander, I have been punched by an aboriginal, almost raped by an aboriginal, and most aboriginals accept for a few responsible half casts are unemployed uneducated, sniff glue, drink alcohol, and break in and steal with knives as a weapon, they rape even the elderly and they pass by on the street swearing their dispute amongst themselves in public making a big scene.
The government is part to blame always saying sorry but only recently have they been forced to go to school and get an education.
So because only the minority work and are normal the unemployed have a bad reputation, and in all honest I have to worry about my daughter waiting at a bus stop during the day in case a few of them show up because chances are she could be robbed and depending where she is also have to worry about rape as well, frankly I dont like the majority of them because of this, but I respect the ones who are working and they have it hard because of their relatives botting everything.
Sad thing is they dont know any better because they get given many priviledges here in Australia, more than your typical Australian but they lacked education enforcement so theft is the only way to live and its normally at knife point in your own home, while your in it.

First of all, why do you think Australia is the most racist country?
Secondly, why is the government 'to blame for saying sorry'? What did the government say sorry for? As I understand it, they said sorry for carrying out campaigns of mass extermination - genocide, stealing the land, kidnapping aboriginal children from their families, e.t.c. What do you mean when you say that the government is to blame for saying sorry?
Lastly, you say that they get given many privileges - 'more than your typical Australian'. What privileges are they? Are you suggesting that Aboriginals are genetically predisposed to drunkenness, laziness, theft and rape?

No thats is not what I meant, what I meant is its the goverments fault for not enforcing education upon them, they are too busy saying sorry, I have nothing against that but if they are truely sorry they would better their future by giving them compulsory education which has only been recently met, better late than never I guess

JWPearl

Byrnzie said:

I asked an Australian here in China what he thinks of Aboriginals - as I always do when I meet an Australian - and this was his reply: "They're lazy drunks who fuck their own children".

This is true for some not all though, but there is lots of rape amongst them

blueandwhite

Byrnzie said:

I asked an Australian here in China what he thinks of Aboriginals - as I always do when I meet an Australian - and this was his reply: "They're lazy drunks who fuck their own children".

Sadly, if you asked many Canadians or Americans what think about the First Peoples of their respective countries you would probably a similar response. It wouldn't surprise me if many other colonial nations have developed similar attitudes towards their indigenous peoples. I find it incredibly disturbing that aboriginal populations are disproportionately arrested and incarcerated relative to the rest of the population in New Zealand, Australia, the United States and Canada yet we either ignore the problem because it doesn't directly impact us, or we accuse these people of being some sort of degenerates.

It's interesting how policing has evolved (or not evolved) to deal with these nations' First Peoples. Irrespective or approaches to policing, it seems that no colonial power has found a way to repair the damage they have caused to the indigenous peoples of their respective nations. http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/cmprsn-ndgns-plcng/cmprsn-ndgns-plcng-eng.pdf,

(Great documentary by the way.)

unsung

It seems to me that any group that government tries to "help" and make amends usually hurts them in the long run.

unsung

Byrnzie said:

unsung said:

Zimbabwe

In what way? You mean white racism against blacks, or blacks against the white landowners?
And Is it comparable to the level of institutional racism in, say, Australia?

Mugabe has stated that whites can't own land and that they should go.

Jason P

Imperial Japan was a very xenophobic culture. From what I understand they have improved post war but they still tend to look down their nose upon foreigners.

dancinacrossthewater

What do you guys think the least racist country on the planet is?

rgambs

Probably Denmark or something...well no, it would have to be somewhere with diversity or there is unintentional racism.

Byrnzie

JWPearl said:

Byrnzie said:

I asked an Australian here in China what he thinks of Aboriginals - as I always do when I meet an Australian - and this was his reply: "They're lazy drunks who fuck their own children".

This is true for some not all though, but there is lots of rape amongst them

Many Aboriginal women were raped by the white settlers. In fact, it became something of an epidemic. They were raped by the white settlers, and they were raped by white policemen.

Byrnzie

unsung said:

It seems to me that any group that government tries to "help" and make amends usually hurts them in the long run.

Care to elaborate?

brianlux

I looked at a number of sites on the internet and one said the U.S. was the most racist country in the world and another the the U.S. was one of the least racist countries. Both of these cites rated India as one of the least tolerant/most racist countries.

A number of cites listed Australia as one of the least racist.

Several cites reported Sweden, Norway and Denmark as the least racist.

Too bad the antarctic isn't a country. Surely it would be least racist.

lukin2006

How would you determine such a thing? Wouldn't any poll be subjective?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

lukin2006 said:

How would you determine such a thing? Wouldn't any poll be subjective?

It's impossible to determine such a thing.

Byrnzie

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

How would you determine such a thing? Wouldn't any poll be subjective?

It's impossible to determine such a thing.

It's no more impossible than determining which is the best country to live in, which they do every year. It may not be an exact science, but they get a pretty good idea of it.

It could be measured by studying state policies towards ethnic minorities and indigenous peoples. By studying the numbers of racist attacks, and reports of abuse and violence. It can be measured by looking at the treatment of asylum seekers - Australia also has one of the worst, if not the worst, record in that regards too.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Byrnzie said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

How would you determine such a thing? Wouldn't any poll be subjective?

It's impossible to determine such a thing.

It's no more impossible than determining which is the best country to live in, which they do every year. It may not be an exact science, but they get a pretty good idea of it.

It could be measured by studying state policies towards ethnic minorities and indigenous peoples. By studying the numbers of racist attacks, and reports of abuse and violence. It can be measured by looking at the treatment of asylum seekers - Australia also has one of the worst, if not the worst, record in that regards too.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with any of this to gauge what you ask, but even the 'best country' analyses are fraught with error.

I have my opinions that jumped to the forefront of my mind upon considering your question, but my opinions have much to do with what has meant most to me studying history and current events. In other words, my opinion is not nearly qualified enough to speculate.

Idris

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Byrnzie said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:

How would you determine such a thing? Wouldn't any poll be subjective?

It's impossible to determine such a thing.

It's no more impossible than determining which is the best country to live in, which they do every year. It may not be an exact science, but they get a pretty good idea of it.

It could be measured by studying state policies towards ethnic minorities and indigenous peoples. By studying the numbers of racist attacks, and reports of abuse and violence. It can be measured by looking at the treatment of asylum seekers - Australia also has one of the worst, if not the worst, record in that regards too.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with any of this to gauge what you ask, but even the 'best country' analyses are fraught with error.

I have my opinions that jumped to the forefront of my mind upon considering your question, but my opinions have much to do with what has meant most to me studying history and current events. In other words, my opinion is not nearly qualified enough to speculate.

nevertheless! what are they?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Hahaha. You've been curious today in this forum. Get PJ Soul to tell her story and then maybe I'll insult some people and tell them I think their country is racist!

Idris

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Hahaha. You've been curious today in this forum. Get PJ Soul to tell her story and then maybe I'll insult some people and tell them I think their country is racist!

What?

I asked Pj Soul cause she gave this long post about a story that she does not want to tell 'again' (cause people don't believe her), so I asked her to point us in the direction to where she originally posted it. Curious indeed! How can anyone not be?

as for you? You have opinions that jumped to the forefront of your mind, so, let's hear them?

Byrnzie

unsung said:

Byrnzie said:

unsung said:

Zimbabwe

In what way? You mean white racism against blacks, or blacks against the white landowners?
And Is it comparable to the level of institutional racism in, say, Australia?

Mugabe has stated that whites can't own land and that they should go.

Is that all there is to that story? Or is there more to it than that? Who are the whites in Zimbabwe? And why have blacks in that country turned against them?