Don't get me wrong! I wanted to hear as bad as you.
I wanted to follow this thread more than participate in it. I'm kinda settling into some idiot box right now, but let me come back tomorrow and reconsider.
Imperial Japan was a very xenophobic culture. From what I understand they have improved post war but they still tend to look down their nose upon foreigners.
I've heard it's still difficult for foreigners to be admitted into hotels in some parts of Japan. Maybe the racism/xenophobia that still exists there is a consequence of the fact that they occupied and otherwise trampled on a lot of their neighbors for long periods of their history.
The impression I get (from having had a Japanese girl friend years ago, and other Japanese friends at various times, and reading a number of book about the Pacific theater in WWII) regarding Japan is that it's more a matter of honor-related extremism. In other words- they see themselves as the supreme race more so than they see other races as inferior- if that makes sense. I can't prove this, but I'll bet a large number of white supremacists really deep down inside hate themselves and so the take the hate out on other non-whites whereas the Japanese people really just don't have any self hate.
Edit: ...unless they dishonor their family or nation in which case they kill themselves.
edit #2: I also have the sense that when Japanese become more Americanized they lose some of that extreme nationalism. My Japanese American friends have all been more American than Japanese. My girl friend's parents were born in Japan and even after living in the U.S. a few decades, they were rather traditional but she was born in the U.S. and was more comfortable with and befriended those of various other races.
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“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
its the goverments fault for not enforcing education upon them
What makes you think you have the right to 'force education upon them'? They lived perfectly well fr 40,000 years before the white's landed on their shores. I actually happen to think that you've got it the wrong way around; that it's the white Australians who need educating.
thank you, byrnzie, thank you very much for the statement directly up above badbrains here. that is exactly what i was thinking days ago but did not share my thoughts on it. fucking good to go killing & taking lands from indigenous peoples.... this makes me fucking ill, sad as shit & throughly irritated.
hold them down, keep them down, savages that they are! fuck
the sophisticated power-hungry oppressors can kiss my frickin ass.
I've been considering this question for a couple of days. It's difficult to answer for me.
Here's why: I can think of some countries who currently dominate headlines or engage in racist practices that obviously jump to the forefront of such a discussion... but as I do that... I think of other countries that might not be so prolific at the moment... yet have their own, very shameful- and comparatively recent- histories which shouldn't be overlooked in such a discussion.
Do some countries get a 'pass' in this exercise because other countries have blocked out their pasts by serving as the racist 'flavours of the day'?
I do think that the treatment of those seeking refuge in a country is different than inherent racism found within a country. The more I read about the treatment of the Bedouins and Mizrahi Jews within Israel (in addition to the well-documented mistreatment of Arabs within both Israel and the Palestinian regions), the more I am convinced that Israel has inherent societal racism issues, and I feel that those are far greater grounds for proposing Israel as a racist state than this article.
In regards to the scope or significance of racism as displayed by day-to-day Israeli life in comparison to this - this is certainly a sign of racism still. It seems to me that a government has several ways it can deal with those seeking refuge who are already within political borders (and I'm trying to write these in order from most to least economically beneficial): It can go the American route and turn a blind eye to the asylum-seekers' presence, allow under-the-table employment which benefits the local economy but not the refugees. It can facilitate temporary or permanent uninhibited residence within its confines, which contributes to the local economy and benefits the refugees as well, but would be a sign of introducing further non-Jewish presence within the region (something which Israel historically doesn't love). It can simply refuse their presence and facilitate return to where refugee-seekers are coming from, which in this case is horribly immoral but (and correct me if I'm wrong, as with anything I write) seemingly within the rights of leadership if they want zero burden added to their country. Finally, it can detain refugees in camps like they're doing. This costs Israeli taxpayers money in management and sustenance for both staff and refugees, and ensures that the refugees have no positive impact on the local economy. In other words, the Israeli government feels that the inherent costs of running detainment camps and the opportunity cost stemming from disallowing refugees into society is worth the risk of losing the ethnic homogeneity of Israeli society.
....I write these pieces very much as trains of thought with no organization and I very rarely like to pigeon-hole myself into one set of ideals, so I'll admit, by the end of writing this, I had changed my opinion of the significance of this article. This is just as blatant a sign of racism as any other well-discussed issues within Israel.
At the end of the day, as always, I try and question what good can come from discussing these things though: I like actionable notions that can bring upon change. How do we take these thoughts from discussing injustices and inequalities to fixing injustices and inequalities?
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I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.
An entire civilization built on genocide. And not to be forgotten, the slaves were freed and still the Native massacres, the pushing into the desert, the vilification continued. Think about the Boston busing situation, that lasted into the 80's, you simply cant have a conversation about racism without America playing the starring role.
I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.
An entire civilization built on genocide. And not to be forgotten, the slaves were freed and still the Native massacres, the pushing into the desert, the vilification continued. Think about the Boston busing situation, that lasted into the 80's, you simply cant have a conversation about racism without America playing the starring role.
So true, rgambs. Well said.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I don't think any country can claim that no racism exists. We have a lot of immigration in my country and I wouldn't say it's working without any problems. It's not a huge problem but racism exists in all directions also towards swedes from immigrants and also between immigrant groups.
I don't think any country can claim that no racism exists. We have a lot of immigration in my country and I wouldn't say it's working without any problems. It's not a huge problem but racism exists in all directions also towards swedes from immigrants and also between immigrant groups.
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I don't think any country can claim that no racism exists. We have a lot of immigration in my country and I wouldn't say it's working without any problems. It's not a huge problem but racism exists in all directions also towards swedes from immigrants and also between immigrant groups.
Peace
Please keep sending your hockey talent to Detroit. Thank you.
Thank you, kindly "> >:D< (rgambs, just a little of a stereotype that's not really the reality
shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions.
And that sums up welfare in general, it remains current policy.
I do think that the treatment of those seeking refuge in a country is different than inherent racism found within a country. The more I read about the treatment of the Bedouins and Mizrahi Jews within Israel (in addition to the well-documented mistreatment of Arabs within both Israel and the Palestinian regions), the more I am convinced that Israel has inherent societal racism issues, and I feel that those are far greater grounds for proposing Israel as a racist state than this article.
:-O :-O :-O You mean the settler-colonial project whose citizens think they are "God's chosen people" and are thereby allowed to "cleanse" the land of its indigenous people because God gave it to them...is racist?!
I do think that the treatment of those seeking refuge in a country is different than inherent racism found within a country. The more I read about the treatment of the Bedouins and Mizrahi Jews within Israel (in addition to the well-documented mistreatment of Arabs within both Israel and the Palestinian regions), the more I am convinced that Israel has inherent societal racism issues, and I feel that those are far greater grounds for proposing Israel as a racist state than this article.
:-O :-O :-O You mean the settler-colonial project whose citizens think they are "God's chosen people" and are thereby allowed to "cleanse" the land of its indigenous people because God gave it to them...is racist?!
But they are savages. Evil doers. ISIS!!! Damn injuns!!!
I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
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shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions.
And that sums up welfare in general, it remains current policy.
That's quite a stretch there. Does that sum up the disability and Medicaid benefits my brother receives for his rare kidney disease that makes him unable to work? Does it sum up the WIC program? Does it sum up social security for retirees? All are considered "welfare". Or does it just sum the conservative talking points that come up when the word "welfare" is mentioned?
I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e.least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
Using that definition I would nominate North Korea.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions.
And that sums up welfare in general, it remains current policy.
Maybe, but in the case of the various Indian populations I think it is more like an extension on our treaty-breaking practices.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
Does the rest of Canada have a problem with Quebec... or is it the other way around?
I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
Does the rest of Canada have a problem with Quebec... or is it the other way around?
My experience in Quebec- and granted, this was many years ago and things may have changed- but my experience was that it was the most unfriendly place I'd ever been to.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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I wanted to follow this thread more than participate in it. I'm kinda settling into some idiot box right now, but let me come back tomorrow and reconsider.
Maybe the racism/xenophobia that still exists there is a consequence of the fact that they occupied and otherwise trampled on a lot of their neighbors for long periods of their history.
Edit: ...unless they dishonor their family or nation in which case they kill themselves.
edit #2: I also have the sense that when Japanese become more Americanized they lose some of that extreme nationalism. My Japanese American friends have all been more American than Japanese. My girl friend's parents were born in Japan and even after living in the U.S. a few decades, they were rather traditional but she was born in the U.S. and was more comfortable with and befriended those of various other races.
I actually happen to think that you've got it the wrong way around; that it's the white Australians who need educating.
http://m.hrw.org/news/2014/09/09/israel-thousands-coerced-leaving-country
hold them down, keep them down, savages that they are! fuck
the sophisticated power-hungry oppressors can kiss my frickin ass.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Here's why: I can think of some countries who currently dominate headlines or engage in racist practices that obviously jump to the forefront of such a discussion... but as I do that... I think of other countries that might not be so prolific at the moment... yet have their own, very shameful- and comparatively recent- histories which shouldn't be overlooked in such a discussion.
Do some countries get a 'pass' in this exercise because other countries have blocked out their pasts by serving as the racist 'flavours of the day'?
In regards to the scope or significance of racism as displayed by day-to-day Israeli life in comparison to this - this is certainly a sign of racism still. It seems to me that a government has several ways it can deal with those seeking refuge who are already within political borders (and I'm trying to write these in order from most to least economically beneficial): It can go the American route and turn a blind eye to the asylum-seekers' presence, allow under-the-table employment which benefits the local economy but not the refugees. It can facilitate temporary or permanent uninhibited residence within its confines, which contributes to the local economy and benefits the refugees as well, but would be a sign of introducing further non-Jewish presence within the region (something which Israel historically doesn't love). It can simply refuse their presence and facilitate return to where refugee-seekers are coming from, which in this case is horribly immoral but (and correct me if I'm wrong, as with anything I write) seemingly within the rights of leadership if they want zero burden added to their country. Finally, it can detain refugees in camps like they're doing. This costs Israeli taxpayers money in management and sustenance for both staff and refugees, and ensures that the refugees have no positive impact on the local economy. In other words, the Israeli government feels that the inherent costs of running detainment camps and the opportunity cost stemming from disallowing refugees into society is worth the risk of losing the ethnic homogeneity of Israeli society.
....I write these pieces very much as trains of thought with no organization and I very rarely like to pigeon-hole myself into one set of ideals, so I'll admit, by the end of writing this, I had changed my opinion of the significance of this article. This is just as blatant a sign of racism as any other well-discussed issues within Israel.
At the end of the day, as always, I try and question what good can come from discussing these things though: I like actionable notions that can bring upon change. How do we take these thoughts from discussing injustices and inequalities to fixing injustices and inequalities?
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
We have a lot of immigration in my country and I wouldn't say it's working without any problems.
It's not a huge problem but racism exists in all directions also towards swedes from immigrants and also between immigrant groups.
Peace
(rgambs, just a little of a stereotype that's not really the reality
And that sums up welfare in general, it remains current policy.
You mean the settler-colonial project whose citizens think they are "God's chosen people" and are thereby allowed to "cleanse" the land of its indigenous people because God gave it to them...is racist?!
Surely the gun violence thread is safe.