Systematic Subjugation of Women by Religion

benjs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hahaha...

I'm an idiot.

Actually... I was reaching for something that I could be offended by!

Hurry up! It's been almost an entire page, someone's gotta get offended soon

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hahaha...

I'm an idiot.

Actually... I was reaching for something that I could be offended by!

Yeah did that other day. )

badbrains

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hahaha...

I'm an idiot.

Actually... I was reaching for something that I could be offended by!

Hurry up! It's been almost an entire page, someone's gotta get offended soon

Fuck you Ben!!!! )

benjs

Also, I should add that, although I attended a religious school until I was 15 or 16, I have pretty special parents who have always been fairly open-minded. For example, I had a choice about going to religious school or public school; I opted for the former. When, at the age of twelve, I was suspended for telling a religious studies teacher that Judaism was a load of bullshit - my parents were upset about the fact that I said that the way I did. They told me that it's okay to be a skeptic and to ask questions and choose my own beliefs, but to do so civilly and to seek out evidence to enable sound debate. That's something that's always stuck with me, and I would be hard-pressed to claim that religion was ever 'shoved down my throat' although I was irrefutably born into it.

At this point my religious/spiritual affiliations are some form of Frankenbelief, and I'm okay with that. Since I don't recognize the absolutism of deities, I can then conclude that religious documents are written by human beings. And just like I agree with human beings who present sound evidence for their beliefs and disagree with ones who don't, I'm therefore able to (to the best of my abilities) use religion (and not just one) to align myself with humanitarianism. Some personal favourites:

As Nart reminded me, to destroy one life is to destroy all of humanity, and to save one life is to save all of humanity.
As my parents told me, judge others by the way they treat the people that mean least in their lives.
As my Buddhist meditation mentor told me, I am the owner of my own Karma.
As Tom Cruise told me, Zorp is our overlord and dominator and if I donate $4000 to the Church of Scientology, my E-Meter readings will be through the roof (sorry, had to throw a bit of satire in here - my apologies to any Scientologists on the board).

My life is sincerely made better by keeping these notions in mind, and these inherently good statements are just a few reasons why I would never propose an existence without religion entirely.

benjs

badbrains said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hahaha...

I'm an idiot.

Actually... I was reaching for something that I could be offended by!

Hurry up! It's been almost an entire page, someone's gotta get offended soon

Fuck you Ben!!!! )

You racist! (Phew, I feel better now)

PS, For anyone coming in here halfway through, this is all in jest - badbrains is a great guy

Godfather.

rgambs said:

This thread will die quickly without any antagonist lol

hhahhhahhahhahahha I see this getting very interesting...muslim's -women-opinion's....BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES SHE'S GONNA BLOW ! )

Godfather.

badbrains

benjs said:

badbrains said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hahaha...

I'm an idiot.

Actually... I was reaching for something that I could be offended by!

Hurry up! It's been almost an entire page, someone's gotta get offended soon

Fuck you Ben!!!! )

You racist! (Phew, I feel better now)

PS, For anyone coming in here halfway through, this is all in jest - badbrains is a great guy

As is my friend Ben. And yes, we're just shit talking to each other all in fun. But I'm some real shit, fuck off Ben!!! )

benjs

badbrains said:

benjs said:

badbrains said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hahaha...

I'm an idiot.

Actually... I was reaching for something that I could be offended by!

Hurry up! It's been almost an entire page, someone's gotta get offended soon

Fuck you Ben!!!! )

You racist! (Phew, I feel better now)

PS, For anyone coming in here halfway through, this is all in jest - badbrains is a great guy

As is my friend Ben. And yes, we're just shit talking to each other all in fun. But I'm some real shit, fuck off Ben!!! )

He swears because he cares

badbrains

benjs said:

badbrains said:

benjs said:

badbrains said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

hahaha...

I'm an idiot.

Actually... I was reaching for something that I could be offended by!

Hurry up! It's been almost an entire page, someone's gotta get offended soon

Fuck you Ben!!!! )

You racist! (Phew, I feel better now)

PS, For anyone coming in here halfway through, this is all in jest - badbrains is a great guy

As is my friend Ben. And yes, we're just shit talking to each other all in fun. But I'm some real shit, fuck off Ben!!! )

He swears because he cares

Absolutely my friend, no doubt

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

This thread will die quickly without any antagonist lol

hhahhhahhahhahahha I see this getting very interesting...muslim's -women-opinion's....BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES SHE'S GONNA BLOW ! )

Godfather.

We need that Byrzine guy in here.

benjs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

This thread will die quickly without any antagonist lol

hhahhhahhahhahahha I see this getting very interesting...muslim's -women-opinion's....BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES SHE'S GONNA BLOW ! )

Godfather.

We need that Byrzine guy in here.

**Byrnzie

JimmyV

We have a Godfather...what about a Barzini?

badbrains

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

This thread will die quickly without any antagonist lol

hhahhhahhahhahahha I see this getting very interesting...muslim's -women-opinion's....BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES SHE'S GONNA BLOW ! )

Godfather.

We need that Byrzine guy in here.

**Byrnzie

I think byrnzie is still scratching his head over what's happening in the EPL right now. (That's English Premier League (soccer GF) ). )

Thirty Bills Unpaid

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

This thread will die quickly without any antagonist lol

hhahhhahhahhahahha I see this getting very interesting...muslim's -women-opinion's....BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES SHE'S GONNA BLOW ! )

Godfather.

We need that Byrzine guy in here.

**Byrnzie

I know. Someone kept butchering his name in an altercation a few weeks back.

I'm just being an idiot and amusing myself.

benjs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

This thread will die quickly without any antagonist lol

hhahhhahhahhahahha I see this getting very interesting...muslim's -women-opinion's....BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES SHE'S GONNA BLOW ! )

Godfather.

We need that Byrzine guy in here.

**Byrnzie

I know. Someone kept butchering his name in an altercation a few weeks back.

I'm just being an idiot and amusing myself.

Gotcha... In that case, carry on, and I hope Byrzine chips in shortly

Drowned Out

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

blueandwhite said:

dignin said:

blueandwhite said:

lukin2006 said:

Are there any religions that treat woman as 100% equal?

Pastafarianism comes to mind although I could be mistaken.

Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?

Not yet, but if I ever find a religion I think that this is the one.

I'm having third thoughts (had my second thoughts years ago about my religion-by-obligation).

This is the telling statement: my religion-by-obligation.

Hooked in one's most impressionable age, religion survives by passing itself along to kids who are prepared to receive it and embrace it without the means and experience to question it.

I'm sorry to say it, but it's brainwashing of the highest order. I say this because I remember as a kid fearing God, having a relationship with God and totally in love with the idea of Heaven (who wouldn't be?). When I abandoned the idea of it and stepped out towards reality, I felt like I had one foot in Hell. That powerful feeling went away though.

It's tough to break an addiction like religion, but once you do... it's hard not to speak out against what once held you in its grasp. It's a sham. Every one of them.

These words are likely not going to be well received by some and I do wish to clarify that I genuinely like some of those advocating for their religion as much as the next person who speaks against religion. It's not the people who have powerful claws dug into them I am speaking against. I oppose what should now be an obsolete industry that keeps some from understanding what this world is truly about.

* That brainwashing is so strong that even as I type this, I feel blasphemous. It's residue still exists within me. I can only surmise that I would have no hope of leaving it if I had waited until now- instead of 13- to abandon my religion.

I totally agree…
My kids were registered for one year in a catholic school (in my town, the ‘public’ board is the catholic one, and the ‘separate’ board are the non-religious schools...just realized I don't really know wtf that means ) ). I argued with my ex about it, but the school had slightly better performance and was more convenient, so she insisted....plus I went to catholic school and turned out ok for the most part….The kids wanted to switch schools the next year to be closer to their friends, and I couldn’t get them out fast enough. I have never spoken about religion at home with anything more than a passing ‘some people believe….’ statement - for the most part I haven't really addressed it at all. I want them to find their own way spiritually. But within a few weeks of attending religion classes (one hour a week), and a couple masses, they came home talking about jesus, drawing religious symbols, and asking about going to church. Good news is, they can be reprogrammed just as quickly. (edit: reprogrammed is the wrong word....more like fall back to their own path. I never criticized religion to them other than to say that many people believe many different things....and my own views, once asked. At which point I said I had no idea if my beliefs were 'right', but they were my own). They've been out of that school for two years and haven't mentioned any of that again. You’re right – when they’re that young, and faith and mythology are presented as fact, it doesn’t take much to convince them of a new reality, and turn them away from what came naturally to them as far as beliefs go. Same goes for racism, political inclinations, views on ‘moral’ issues like sex and drugs….I’m trying to give my daughter straight, realistic facts on sex now that she's taking sex ed, and on drugs before she enters the world of D.A.R.E. this year. Considering sitting in when the police officer comes to speak to them. That would be interesting.

And ya....it took me a long time to get past that blasphemous feeling. Like denying that there is a god in the christian sense would write the ticket to eternal damnation. Dominance by guilt, that's what it's all about from my pov. And I saw thru catholic confession the year it was introduced to me....I remember thinking as an 11 year old that it was a crock of shit to be absolved of your wrongdoings by chanting some ancient mantra over and over. bah.

benjs

Drowned Out said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

benjs said:

blueandwhite said:

dignin said:

blueandwhite said:

lukin2006 said:

Are there any religions that treat woman as 100% equal?

Pastafarianism comes to mind although I could be mistaken.

Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?

Not yet, but if I ever find a religion I think that this is the one.

I'm having third thoughts (had my second thoughts years ago about my religion-by-obligation).

This is the telling statement: my religion-by-obligation.

Hooked in one's most impressionable age, religion survives by passing itself along to kids who are prepared to receive it and embrace it without the means and experience to question it.

I'm sorry to say it, but it's brainwashing of the highest order. I say this because I remember as a kid fearing God, having a relationship with God and totally in love with the idea of Heaven (who wouldn't be?). When I abandoned the idea of it and stepped out towards reality, I felt like I had one foot in Hell. That powerful feeling went away though.

It's tough to break an addiction like religion, but once you do... it's hard not to speak out against what once held you in its grasp. It's a sham. Every one of them.

These words are likely not going to be well received by some and I do wish to clarify that I genuinely like some of those advocating for their religion as much as the next person who speaks against religion. It's not the people who have powerful claws dug into them I am speaking against. I oppose what should now be an obsolete industry that keeps some from understanding what this world is truly about.

* That brainwashing is so strong that even as I type this, I feel blasphemous. It's residue still exists within me. I can only surmise that I would have no hope of leaving it if I had waited until now- instead of 13- to abandon my religion.

I totally agree…
My kids were registered for one year in a catholic school (in my town, the ‘public’ board is the catholic one, and the ‘separate’ board are the non-religious schools...just realized I don't really know wtf that means ) ). I argued with my ex about it, but the school had slightly better performance and was more convenient, so she insisted....plus I went to catholic school and turned out ok for the most part….The kids wanted to switch schools the next year to be closer to their friends, and I couldn’t get them out fast enough. I have never spoken about religion at home with anything more than a passing ‘some people believe….’ statement - for the most part I haven't really addressed it at all. I want them to find their own way spiritually. But within a few weeks of attending religion classes (one hour a week), and a couple masses, they came home talking about jesus, drawing religious symbols, and asking about going to church. Good news is, they can be reprogrammed just as quickly. They've been out of that school for two years and haven't mentioned any of that again. You’re right – when they’re that young, and faith and mythology is presented as fact, it doesn’t take much to convince them of a new reality, and turn them away from what came naturally to them as far as beliefs go. Same goes for racism, political inclinations, views on ‘moral’ issues like sex and drugs….I’m trying to give my daughter straight, realistic facts on sex now that she's taking sex ed, and on drugs before she enters the world of D.A.R.E. this year. Considering sitting in when the police officer comes to speak to them. That would be interesting.

And ya....it took me a long time to get past that blasphemous feeling. Like denying that there is a god in the christian sense would write the ticket to eternal damnation. Dominance by guilt, that's what it's all about from my pov. And I saw thru catholic confession the year it was introduced to me....I remember thinking as an 11 year old that it was a crock of shit to be absolved of your wrongdoings by chanting some ancient mantra over and over. bah.

That's actually pretty interesting. As a Jew, we experience the 'blasphemous feeling' in a different way. As far as my beliefs go - they're my own, and my parents are a-okay with that. Even my grandmother is. But in terms of keeping Jewish lineage alive - that's a different story. They'd much rather me have bacon cheeseburgers for breakfast, lunch and dinner and preach the absence of a god than marry a non-Jew. But that's where I respectfully tell them that I couldn't give two shits, and if I marry, I will marry for love. If it means the end of a lineage, so be it - maybe the moral superiority I've witnessed from time to time will go away with it.

Godfather.

badbrains said:

benjs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

This thread will die quickly without any antagonist lol

hhahhhahhahhahahha I see this getting very interesting...muslim's -women-opinion's....BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES SHE'S GONNA BLOW ! )

Godfather.

We need that Byrzine guy in here.

**Byrnzie

I think byrnzie is still scratching his head over what's happening in the EPL right now. (That's English Premier League (soccer GF) ). )

soccer ? give blood ride BMX because chick's dig scars. )


Godfather.

chadwick

we do need byrnzie, not just here, but everywhere

badbrains

chadwick said:

we do need byrnzie, not just here, but everywhere

can't be said enough.........