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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,236
    mickeyrat said:

    I'm not sure that they should go to jail...they were clearly trying to get the dog to stop. If they were telling the dog to attack that would be a different story.
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,718
    edited July 2023
    POLICE ABUSE IS NOT COLOR BLIND 

     https://abc7.com/lancaster-winco-grocery-store-deputies-caught-on-video/13459979/ 

    Long video but worth the watch 

    “she blew chunks in the backseat on her way to the hospital for a blood test.”  

    And this nice officer cleaned it up for her because she refused to sit in her own puke. 



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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Gern Blansten said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I'm not sure that they should go to jail...they were clearly trying to get the dog to stop. If they were telling the dog to attack that would be a different story.
    So, that was not him "trying to control his dog" per say.  The cop was making sure the dog didn't violently whip his head back and forth and rip his flesh off.

    The cop knew what he was doing, those dogs stop on command.

    I never heard the cop tell the dog to stop once.

    But after that being said I would need more context.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    mickeyrat said:
    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
    Should have just “complied?”
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    mickeyrat said:
    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
    Oh i don't know, maybe the 5 minutes before this happened?  

    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:
    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
    Should have just “complied?”
    I don't think he was, just an educated guess here but you know, can't tell because there isn't any footage beforehand.

    I did say that the cop w the dog knew exactly what he was doing though.
  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 419
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mickeyrat said:
    face down . cuffed BEHIND his back. what more context is needed?
    Should have just “complied?”
    Play stupid games, Win stupid prizes…..
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,360
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    interesting read.....

    Can’t read the article but I would guess because there was no one to arrest people it would appear that crime went down?
    The last couple schools I worked at, that’s exactly how they got school violence down. Not necessarily reducing security or admin, but just stop reporting it.Kids get in a fight. One gets a bloody nose. Let the bleeding stop, make them apologize, send them back to class without writing a report. School violence is down. Even had my principal get a district award for “lowering” school violence.
    Unless a kid required outside medical help or a parent complained, there wasn’t really a record of anything.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,360
    mickeyrat said:

    I’m not familiar with what a K-9 unit in action usually looks like. But it looks like to me he is trying to pull the dog off. He pulls on the dog’s neck several times. If this clip had no context or title, I’d think the dog stopped responding to commands and he’s trying to physically pull him off.
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,437
    https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/nyc-blues-the-number-of-potential-nypd-cops-plummets/amp/

    Can’t say I’m surprised. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    its a fucking bitch when you're actually held to a standard...
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,437
    edited July 2023
    mickeyrat said:
    its a fucking bitch when you're actually held to a standard...
    I’m sure that’s what it is, especially in NYC. 


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/nyc-blues-the-number-of-potential-nypd-cops-plummets/amp/

    Can’t say I’m surprised. 
    Nobody wants to be cops anymore.  They did it to themselves at first but now it's all damage control and the pendulum has swung so far out that it's just not worth it to people anymore.
  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 419
    mickeyrat said:
    its a fucking bitch when you're actually held to a standard...
    And we can thank that sweetheart of a Man George Floyd for stimulating CHANGE and making everyone feel safer in the urban community….It sure seems to be working out well cause we all know it’s the Pooleece that was the problem afterall 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    lindamarie73 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    its a fucking bitch when you're actually held to a standard...
    And we can thank that sweetheart of a Man George Floyd for stimulating CHANGE and making everyone feel safer in the urban community….It sure seems to be working out well cause we all know it’s the Pooleece that was the problem afterall 
    You sending thank you cards to Derek? You thanking him for taking another one off the streets? Maybe set up a go fund me for him?
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,758
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    its a fucking bitch when you're actually held to a standard...
    And we can thank that sweetheart of a Man George Floyd for stimulating CHANGE and making everyone feel safer in the urban community….It sure seems to be working out well cause we all know it’s the Pooleece that was the problem afterall 
    You sending thank you cards to Derek? You thanking him for taking another one off the streets? Maybe set up a go fund me for him?
    She's bringing him a cake when she's in STP at the end of August. 
    Being the big PJ fan that she clearly is.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,013
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
    I don't think anyone is defending that one considering an officer can be heard yelling "don't release the dog with his hands up".
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
    I don't think anyone is defending that one considering an officer can be heard yelling "don't release the dog with his hands up".
    for a mudflap. a fix it ticket. doesnt put you out of service. whole lot of bullshit over something incredibly minor. inconsequentially minor.

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    edited July 2023
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
    I don't think anyone is defending that one considering an officer can be heard yelling "don't release the dog with his hands up".
    for a mudflap. a fix it ticket. doesnt put you out of service. whole lot of bullshit over something incredibly minor. inconsequentially minor.

    Besides being biggoted cops, why on earth would they bring the dogs down?  Mudflap would be DOT.  Does DOT even have a K9 unit?

    While trying to find that answer I came across this.  Maybe K9's aren't the best to be using or the owners need wayyyy better training.
    https://www.police1.com/police-products/k9/k9-training/articles/k-9-announcements-dos-and-donts-RURzlVa5FlhWeBjQ/
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,360
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
    I don't think anyone is defending that one considering an officer can be heard yelling "don't release the dog with his hands up".
    for a mudflap. a fix it ticket. doesnt put you out of service. whole lot of bullshit over something incredibly minor. inconsequentially minor.

    It wasn’t for a kid flap. It was for evading police.
    Thatsba big letters peeve of these headlines, they take one thing out of the more than one, and claim this is what it was all about.
    He was pulled over for a mid flap. He pulled over, then took off evading police to the point they laid down tire spikes. So, no, this altercation was not just over mud flaps.
    it’s trying to evade police on a chase in a semi tractor trailer 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,236
    edited July 2023


    It's unfortunate but if you do something that leads the police to bring the K-9 then it's mostly on you.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,350
    Gern Blansten said:


    It's unfortunate but if you do something that leads the police to bring the K-9 then it's mostly on you.
    He did surrender himself so I don't see why the dog was let loose and an officer can be heard saying as much.  I'm usually on the cops side but this one is a little dirty.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,236
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:


    It's unfortunate but if you do something that leads the police to bring the K-9 then it's mostly on you.
    He did surrender himself so I don't see why the dog was let loose and an officer can be heard saying as much.  I'm usually on the cops side but this one is a little dirty.
    that's why I said "mostly"....not sure what the explanation from the cop might be. I assumed it was just an accident that the dog was released.


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
    I don't think anyone is defending that one considering an officer can be heard yelling "don't release the dog with his hands up".
    for a mudflap. a fix it ticket. doesnt put you out of service. whole lot of bullshit over something incredibly minor. inconsequentially minor.

    Besides being biggoted cops, why on earth would they bring the dogs down?  Mudflap would be DOT.  Does DOT even have a K9 unit?

    While trying to find that answer I came across this.  Maybe K9's aren't the best to be using or the owners need wayyyy better training.
    https://www.police1.com/police-products/k9/k9-training/articles/k-9-announcements-dos-and-donts-RURzlVa5FlhWeBjQ/

    local can and do issue tickets or have inspection teams. cant be sure, they have even been state, which handle DOT related shit.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,547
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
    I don't think anyone is defending that one considering an officer can be heard yelling "don't release the dog with his hands up".
    for a mudflap. a fix it ticket. doesnt put you out of service. whole lot of bullshit over something incredibly minor. inconsequentially minor.

    It wasn’t for a kid flap. It was for evading police.
    Thatsba big letters peeve of these headlines, they take one thing out of the more than one, and claim this is what it was all about.
    He was pulled over for a mid flap. He pulled over, then took off evading police to the point they laid down tire spikes. So, no, this altercation was not just over mud flaps.
    it’s trying to evade police on a chase in a semi tractor trailer 

    look. it was a fucking mud flap. stop sticks for a fucking mud flap? the excuse to pull him over?  gtfoh here with your hero can do no wrong fucking bullshit.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,360
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
    I don't think anyone is defending that one considering an officer can be heard yelling "don't release the dog with his hands up".
    for a mudflap. a fix it ticket. doesnt put you out of service. whole lot of bullshit over something incredibly minor. inconsequentially minor.

    Besides being biggoted cops, why on earth would they bring the dogs down?  Mudflap would be DOT.  Does DOT even have a K9 unit?

    While trying to find that answer I came across this.  Maybe K9's aren't the best to be using or the owners need wayyyy better training.
    https://www.police1.com/police-products/k9/k9-training/articles/k-9-announcements-dos-and-donts-RURzlVa5FlhWeBjQ/
    I would assume a mud flap is similar to a broken tail light and is a fix it ticket. I never heard of DOT in any state being in charge of issuing fox it tickets. It’s always been local police or state troopers,.
    And when you pull over, then take off and evade police, it becomes a much bigger issue than just a fox it ticket.
    I agree with you it doesn’t seem like releasing the dog was necessary, and we even hear one of the cops saying don’t release the dog, then yelling to pull him off. But this was far from a mud flaps issue at this point. The clip even said they had to bring out tires spikes to get him to stop.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,236
    yeah the guy didn't pull over for 30 minutes...that goes way beyond a mud flap
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,437
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I look forward to the posts defending and/or excusing the tactics of the police and their dog.
    I don't think anyone is defending that one considering an officer can be heard yelling "don't release the dog with his hands up".
    for a mudflap. a fix it ticket. doesnt put you out of service. whole lot of bullshit over something incredibly minor. inconsequentially minor.

    It wasn’t for a kid flap. It was for evading police.
    Thatsba big letters peeve of these headlines, they take one thing out of the more than one, and claim this is what it was all about.
    He was pulled over for a mid flap. He pulled over, then took off evading police to the point they laid down tire spikes. So, no, this altercation was not just over mud flaps.
    it’s trying to evade police on a chase in a semi tractor trailer 

    look. it was a fucking mud flap. stop sticks for a fucking mud flap? the excuse to pull him over?  gtfoh here with your hero can do no wrong fucking bullshit.
    What a shitty response. No wonder you only post tweets and links. That’s no way to communicate with people. 
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