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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    If anybody needs a history lesson.


    The revisionist history classes you have taken have not served you well comrade Smelly.
    You cant fix a fool.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    you think this only happens in the US? this first nations chief was pulled over for an expired licence plate. watch what happens to him. 

    https://twitter.com/journorosa/status/1271234182631522307
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Bentleyspop said:
    IBTL
    Nah, haven't you heard? Seattle has fallen. The mods have been rendered useless. Anarchy and chaos will rule! Soon the porch will be strewn with burned skate decks and 3D Viewers.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I'm fascinated by what going on in Seattle with CHAZ.  I wonder if we'll have a rational conversation or even a non-sarcastic thread about that scene?  In the article linked below, Trump  "described the protesters as “Domestic Terrorists” who “have taken over Seattle, run by Radical Left Democrats, of course. LAW & ORDER!” 

    Another description in the article said CHAZ is "helping to amplify nationwide protests while offering a real-world example of what a community can look like without police."

    Pretty obvious which description came out of a more ration thinking brain. 

    Yes, this effort will have it problems.  People will have heated debates.  But this is how all social experiments work.  Win or lose, what they do is bring new thoughts to the surface.  The people who disparage them the most are often cynical (and I call myslef out on that for things I've said, old fool that I am sometimes) or even closed minded to new ideas.  Too bad because they could actually add something useful to the discussion if they wanted to.




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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528

    Have a couple of friends who live there too.  Not near as bad what is reported by the  ̶F̶a̶x̶i̶s̶t̶ Fox News


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Smellyman said:

    Have a couple of friends who live there too.  Not near as bad what is reported by the  ̶F̶a̶x̶i̶s̶t̶ Fox News



    Much as what I would expect.  It almost funny how something daring and different ruffles some feathers.  Almost!
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Smellyman said:

    Have a couple of friends who live there too.  Not near as bad what is reported by the  ̶F̶a̶x̶i̶s̶t̶ Fox News


    Oh those poor, poor, poor Proud Boys, if only they had thought it through before descending upon Charlottesville.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    you think this only happens in the US? this first nations chief was pulled over for an expired licence plate. watch what happens to him. 

    https://twitter.com/journorosa/status/1271234182631522307
    Watch the video below where the same guy that got tackled takes off his jacket getting ready to fight the officers.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    Good Rand Paul makes an appearance 

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/rand-paul-bill-end-no-knock-warrants-314303
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
    Good Rand Paul makes an appearance 

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/rand-paul-bill-end-no-knock-warrants-314303
    After holding up the anti-lynching bill. More grandstanding from Randy.
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  • mickeyrat
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     https://www.rollcall.com/2020/06/11/police-lounged-in-congressmans-burglarized-office-as-looters-broke-into-nearby-shops/

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  • Bentleyspop
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    pjl44 said:
    Good Rand Paul makes an appearance 

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/11/rand-paul-bill-end-no-knock-warrants-314303
    Who?
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    Topics like Rand's bill help you differentiate between people who take an interest in politics because they want to advocate for positive governing vs those who found it's the only acceptable avenue to channel their inherent anger
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,525
    edited June 2020
    If you're a Democrat and a Republican breaks rank to put forth legislation that is objectively good, that is something to celebrate and encourage.

    Unless, of course, you're only in this to find people to fight with.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,372
    pjl44 said:
    If you're a Democrat and a Republican breaks rank to put forth legislation that is objectively good, that is something to celebrate and encourage 
    it is, but these bills are primarily for fed level only....

    Rands bill is named after Breonna but only applies to federal warrants. Its fucking insulting imo.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    pjl44 said:
    Topics like Rand's bill help you differentiate between people who take an interest in politics because they want to advocate for positive governing vs those who found it's the only acceptable avenue to channel their inherent anger
    Sounds like "downsplaining to me." What's so great about Randy Paul? I mean, I guess if you're a white male, he might be great? I'd have way more respect for him if he shed his faux libertarianism and professed his repub bona fides or fully embraced his libertarianism and ran as one. But he's a fraud.

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    Missed Votes

    From Jan 2011 to Jun 2020, Paul missed 132 of 2,788 roll call votes, which is 4.7%. This is much worse than the median of 1.7% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving. The chart below reports missed votes over time.

    We don’t track why legislators miss votes, but it’s often due to medical absenses and major life events.

    Missed Votes (%)
    Line chart with 39 data points.
    The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories.
    The chart has 1 Y axis displaying Missed Votes (%). Range: 0 to 30.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492/report-card/2019

    And yes, I googled this but I have been following the Pauls ever since I encountered Lyndon LaRouch supporters outside the post office and his dad was a POTUS candidate, and more so when Randy burst onto the scene. So, I'm not opposed to him because of some inherent "anger" but because he's a fraud and a hypocrite, playing the grandstander.

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  • pjl44
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:

    Topics like Rand's bill help you differentiate between people who take an interest in politics because they want to advocate for positive governing vs those who found it's the only acceptable avenue to channel their inherent anger
    Sounds like "downsplaining to me." What's so great about Randy Paul? I mean, I guess if you're a white male, he might be great? I'd have way more respect for him if he shed his faux libertarianism and professed his repub bona fides or fully embraced his libertarianism and ran as one. But he's a fraud.

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    Missed Votes

    From Jan 2011 to Jun 2020, Paul missed 132 of 2,788 roll call votes, which is 4.7%. This is much worse than the median of 1.7% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving. The chart below reports missed votes over time.

    We don’t track why legislators miss votes, but it’s often due to medical absenses and major life events.

    Missed Votes (%)
    Line chart with 39 data points.
    The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories.
    The chart has 1 Y axis displaying Missed Votes (%). Range: 0 to 30.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492/report-card/2019

    And yes, I googled this but I have been following the Pauls ever since I encountered Lyndon LaRouch supporters outside the post office and his dad was a POTUS candidate, and more so when Randy burst onto the scene. So, I'm not opposed to him because of some inherent "anger" but because he's a fraud and a hypocrite, playing the grandstander.

    I'm talking about a single bill, which you make no mention of. Instead you manically googled a bunch of unrelated stuff. You're only on here looking for fights.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,119
    pjl44 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    pjl44 said:

    Topics like Rand's bill help you differentiate between people who take an interest in politics because they want to advocate for positive governing vs those who found it's the only acceptable avenue to channel their inherent anger
    Sounds like "downsplaining to me." What's so great about Randy Paul? I mean, I guess if you're a white male, he might be great? I'd have way more respect for him if he shed his faux libertarianism and professed his repub bona fides or fully embraced his libertarianism and ran as one. But he's a fraud.

    Ratings from Advocacy Organizations


    Missed Votes

    From Jan 2011 to Jun 2020, Paul missed 132 of 2,788 roll call votes, which is 4.7%. This is much worse than the median of 1.7% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving. The chart below reports missed votes over time.

    We don’t track why legislators miss votes, but it’s often due to medical absenses and major life events.

    Missed Votes (%)
    Line chart with 39 data points.
    The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories.
    The chart has 1 Y axis displaying Missed Votes (%). Range: 0 to 30.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492/report-card/2019

    And yes, I googled this but I have been following the Pauls ever since I encountered Lyndon LaRouch supporters outside the post office and his dad was a POTUS candidate, and more so when Randy burst onto the scene. So, I'm not opposed to him because of some inherent "anger" but because he's a fraud and a hypocrite, playing the grandstander.

    I'm talking about a single bill, which you make no mention of. Instead you manically googled a bunch of unrelated stuff. You're only on here looking for fights.
    No, I think Randy Paul is a grandstander and his holding up of the anti-lynching bill is a dog whistle. His sponsorship of the bill you mentioned is more, well, Randystanding and too little too late in his illustrious career of carrying repub, racist water, all the while pretending to have some kind of libertarian ideal. An opinion not born of "inherent anger" but one of watching his political career over an extended period of time, listening to his rhetoric and seeing who and how he votes. Human Rights Campaign Score: 0. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

    And you're only on here looking for your safe space (I don't think you'll understand how that sounds as it relates to the bold).
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    AOC was asked "what does an America with defunded police look like to you". Here's her answer:

    The good news is that it actually doesn't take a ton of imagination.
    It looks like a suburb. Affluent white communities already live in a world where the choose to fund youth, health, housing etc more than they fund police. These communities have lower crime rates not because they have more police, but bc they have more resources to support healthy society in a way that reduces crime.
    When a teenager or preteen does something harmful in a suburb (I say teen bc this is often where lifelong carceral cycles begin for Black and Brown communities), White communities bend over backwards to find alternatives to incarceration for their loved ones to "protect their future," like community service or rehab or restorative measures. Why don't we treat Black and Brown people the same way? Why doesn't the criminal system care about Black teens' futures the way they care for White teens' futures? Why doesn't the news use Black people's graduation or family photos in stories the way they do when they cover White people (eg Brock Turner) who commit harmful crimes? Affluent White suburbs also design their own lives so that they walk through the world without having much interruption or interaction with police at all aside from community events and speeding tickets (and many of these communities try to reduce those, too!)
    Just starting THERE would be a dramatically and radically different world than what we are experiencing now.

    Food for thought, for all those who argue that "defunding the police" would lead to increased crime rate and a "lawless society".
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