Police abuse

mace1229

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Maybe you should have watched the Atlanta DA’s press conference where he laid out the 11 charges, the reasons for them and the supporting evidence that they reviewed in order to bring the charges, citing GA law, police training manuals and directives issued before you accuse him of being a “complete idiot.” Regardless, it’ll be up to a jury to decide how many of the 11 charges the cop is guilty of.

You know who’s a complete idiot? The cop, at the very least, for kicking the victim after he shot him twice in the back as he was running away. But you know, death is the penalty for being 0.108 BAC intoxicated.

Ledbetterman10

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Yeah here’s the DA saying a taser is a deadly weapon under Georgia law.  

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1273402121858187264?s=21

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Maybe you should have watched the Atlanta DA’s press conference where he laid out the 11 charges, the reasons for them and the supporting evidence that they reviewed in order to bring the charges, citing GA law, police training manuals and directives issued before you accuse him of being a “complete idiot.” Regardless, it’ll be up to a jury to decide how many of the 11 charges the cop is guilty of.

You know who’s a complete idiot? The cop, at the very least, for kicking the victim after he shot him twice in the back as he was running away. But you know, death is the penalty for being 0.108 BAC intoxicated.

Not sure what that has to do with someone who is passed out drunk in a drive through, assaults 2 cops, grabs their taser and uses it in them and calling him slightly intoxicated, cordial, cooperative and jovial.

And he wasn’t shot for having a 0.108 BAC. I know it’s a matter of time before memes pop up and say if you’re black you get shot for going to a drive through. He was shot because he assaulted 2 cops, clearly over powered both, grabbed their taser and used it in them.

I’m not saying they did everything perfect, but for the DA to describe Brown as slightly intoxicated, cordial and jovial and put the death penalty on the table is ridiculous.

mace1229

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Yeah here’s the DA saying a taser is a deadly weapon under Georgia law.  

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1273402121858187264?s=21

Thanks for sharing. I heard that but couldn’t find a clip. So ridiculous.  According to that link several precincts are empty due to police walkouts in Atlanta. I heard last night that was the case but then the mayor announced there was more than normal sick call ins, but that they are staffed as normal. Uh huh. That’s what happens when you treat your cops this way and demand both be immediately fired and prosecuted. 

Ledbetterman10

mace1229 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Yeah here’s the DA saying a taser is a deadly weapon under Georgia law.  

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1273402121858187264?s=21

Thanks for sharing. I heard that but couldn’t find a clip. So ridiculous.  According to that link several precincts are empty due to police walkouts in Atlanta. I heard last night that was the case but then the mayor announced there was more than normal sick call ins, but that they are staffed as normal. Uh huh. That’s what happens when you treat your cops this way and demand both be immediately fired and prosecuted. 

The sad irony of this vilification of police is it's going to lead to MORE bad cops. Think about it, over the next 10-15 years, what good person that truly wants to help people is going to get into policing? They're already underpaid, and now they're the "enemy" of like half the country. And if good people that want to help people stop wanting the job, forces are going to be filled with a bunch of Derek Chauvins. And who will suffer the most from a country filled with officers like that? The black community of course. 

static111

pjl44 said:

If you're trying to tell me that someone could easily distinguish between this and an actual 9mm....

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-carried-toy-guns-to-plant-on-people-they-shot-trial-reveals-vgtrn

Funny story re plastic guns that look like that.  In Albuquerque walking home from a party a few years ago at about 12:30 am I had one of those pulled on me and stuck in my chest.  I grabbed it instinctually. Heard it crack and knew it was plastic yanked it from dudes hand and threw it then ran after his asshole friend who stole my wallet. Retrieved wallet and called cops.  They arrived 45 minutes later took my statement and said they couldn’t do anything about it even after they found the plastic gun which definitely would have had finger prints.  Good thing cops were always in my neighborhood to keep things safe 🙄

josevolution

I’m still dumbfounded at how screwed up 2020 has been so far , it has to be a bad nightmare no? Please someone wake me ! 

tempo_n_groove

So all the "bad cops" videos reminds me of shark attacks.  They happen all the time but they hardly get reported until it's the latest buzz. Remember when the news was reporting about shark sightings every day?

The cop videos are all a buzz now too.  It's the "in" thing to report on.

Something should be done but it's being sensationalized too.

bbiggs

josevolution said:

I’m still dumbfounded at how screwed up 2020 has been so far , it has to be a bad nightmare no? Please someone wake me ! 

Agreed. This pretty much sums up everything. 

pjl44

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

If you're trying to tell me that someone could easily distinguish between this and an actual 9mm....

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-carried-toy-guns-to-plant-on-people-they-shot-trial-reveals-vgtrn

Funny story re plastic guns that look like that.  In Albuquerque walking home from a party a few years ago at about 12:30 am I had one of those pulled on me and stuck in my chest.  I grabbed it instinctually. Heard it crack and knew it was plastic yanked it from dudes hand and threw it then ran after his asshole friend who stole my wallet. Retrieved wallet and called cops.  They arrived 45 minutes later took my statement and said they couldn’t do anything about it even after they found the plastic gun which definitely would have had finger prints.  Good thing cops were always in my neighborhood to keep things safe 🙄

I've had an apartment broken into once and a car broken into three times. Two different cities. In every instance, they have tried to talk me out of filing a report.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Maybe you should have watched the Atlanta DA’s press conference where he laid out the 11 charges, the reasons for them and the supporting evidence that they reviewed in order to bring the charges, citing GA law, police training manuals and directives issued before you accuse him of being a “complete idiot.” Regardless, it’ll be up to a jury to decide how many of the 11 charges the cop is guilty of.

You know who’s a complete idiot? The cop, at the very least, for kicking the victim after he shot him twice in the back as he was running away. But you know, death is the penalty for being 0.108 BAC intoxicated.

Not sure what that has to do with someone who is passed out drunk in a drive through, assaults 2 cops, grabs their taser and uses it in them and calling him slightly intoxicated, cordial, cooperative and jovial.

And he wasn’t shot for having a 0.108 BAC. I know it’s a matter of time before memes pop up and say if you’re black you get shot for going to a drive through. He was shot because he assaulted 2 cops, clearly over powered both, grabbed their taser and used it in them.

I’m not saying they did everything perfect, but for the DA to describe Brown as slightly intoxicated, cordial and jovial and put the death penalty on the table is ridiculous.

Again, had you watched the DA’s press conference, it would have been explained to you. For 47 minutes of prior interaction Brown had been as described. In your previous post you alluded to being so drunk he passed out as not being indicative of something. I posted his actual BAC as reported.

The death penalty is on the table as the range of penalty under GA law and not on the table because of the DA. The murder charge carries a penalty of 20 years up to the death penalty.

Where do you get your information? 

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Maybe you should have watched the Atlanta DA’s press conference where he laid out the 11 charges, the reasons for them and the supporting evidence that they reviewed in order to bring the charges, citing GA law, police training manuals and directives issued before you accuse him of being a “complete idiot.” Regardless, it’ll be up to a jury to decide how many of the 11 charges the cop is guilty of.

You know who’s a complete idiot? The cop, at the very least, for kicking the victim after he shot him twice in the back as he was running away. But you know, death is the penalty for being 0.108 BAC intoxicated.

Not sure what that has to do with someone who is passed out drunk in a drive through, assaults 2 cops, grabs their taser and uses it in them and calling him slightly intoxicated, cordial, cooperative and jovial.

And he wasn’t shot for having a 0.108 BAC. I know it’s a matter of time before memes pop up and say if you’re black you get shot for going to a drive through. He was shot because he assaulted 2 cops, clearly over powered both, grabbed their taser and used it in them.

I’m not saying they did everything perfect, but for the DA to describe Brown as slightly intoxicated, cordial and jovial and put the death penalty on the table is ridiculous.

umm a story I read claimed the taser had been fired twice before it was taken by the victim. it would have been effective ONLY if he threw it at them...

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Maybe you should have watched the Atlanta DA’s press conference where he laid out the 11 charges, the reasons for them and the supporting evidence that they reviewed in order to bring the charges, citing GA law, police training manuals and directives issued before you accuse him of being a “complete idiot.” Regardless, it’ll be up to a jury to decide how many of the 11 charges the cop is guilty of.

You know who’s a complete idiot? The cop, at the very least, for kicking the victim after he shot him twice in the back as he was running away. But you know, death is the penalty for being 0.108 BAC intoxicated.

Not sure what that has to do with someone who is passed out drunk in a drive through, assaults 2 cops, grabs their taser and uses it in them and calling him slightly intoxicated, cordial, cooperative and jovial.

And he wasn’t shot for having a 0.108 BAC. I know it’s a matter of time before memes pop up and say if you’re black you get shot for going to a drive through. He was shot because he assaulted 2 cops, clearly over powered both, grabbed their taser and used it in them.

I’m not saying they did everything perfect, but for the DA to describe Brown as slightly intoxicated, cordial and jovial and put the death penalty on the table is ridiculous.

umm a story I read claimed the taser had been fired twice before it was taken by the victim. it would have been effective ONLY if he threw it at them...

Facts? C’mon now.

tempo_n_groove

pjl44 said:

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

If you're trying to tell me that someone could easily distinguish between this and an actual 9mm....

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-carried-toy-guns-to-plant-on-people-they-shot-trial-reveals-vgtrn

Funny story re plastic guns that look like that.  In Albuquerque walking home from a party a few years ago at about 12:30 am I had one of those pulled on me and stuck in my chest.  I grabbed it instinctually. Heard it crack and knew it was plastic yanked it from dudes hand and threw it then ran after his asshole friend who stole my wallet. Retrieved wallet and called cops.  They arrived 45 minutes later took my statement and said they couldn’t do anything about it even after they found the plastic gun which definitely would have had finger prints.  Good thing cops were always in my neighborhood to keep things safe 🙄

I've had an apartment broken into once and a car broken into three times. Two different cities. In every instance, they have tried to talk me out of filing a report.

Had someone hit & run me and the cop said the same thing to me.  "do you really want to file a report?"

Fuck yeah I want to file a report!

And I did.

mickeyrat

  article I referenced above

https://apnews.com/870f32a425b41ce391f84e1625439ebe

OnWis97

tempo_n_groove said:

So all the "bad cops" videos reminds me of shark attacks.  They happen all the time but they hardly get reported until it's the latest buzz. Remember when the news was reporting about shark sightings every day?

The cop videos are all a buzz now too.  It's the "in" thing to report on.

Something should be done but it's being sensationalized too.

Using the shark attack analogy, I would not call it "sensationalized" now...I'd call us "desensitized" (or maybe the coverage ignored) the rest of the time.

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

The more I learned about the George Floyd case the more I think all 4 deserve charges.

But I don’t agree at all with this Atlanta shooting. The DA sounds like a complete idiot in is press conference. 2 weeks ago he charged 4 cops with aggravated assault for using a taser: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/attorney-says-da-rushed-charge-officers-involved-tasing-college-students/Y3RHMIZ2ZNCC7HA723UGEKQS54/%3foutputType=amp

According to a quick google search, Aggravated assault in Georgia Is : Aggravated assault, a felony in Georgia, is an assault that is committed:

-with the intent to rob, rape or murder

-with a deadly weapon or any object that can be or is used in a manner that results in serious bodily injury or strangulation

Seems like 2 weeks ago the DA thought a taser was pretty serious, now it doesn’t mean anything when you use it on a cop?

Maybe you should have watched the Atlanta DA’s press conference where he laid out the 11 charges, the reasons for them and the supporting evidence that they reviewed in order to bring the charges, citing GA law, police training manuals and directives issued before you accuse him of being a “complete idiot.” Regardless, it’ll be up to a jury to decide how many of the 11 charges the cop is guilty of.

You know who’s a complete idiot? The cop, at the very least, for kicking the victim after he shot him twice in the back as he was running away. But you know, death is the penalty for being 0.108 BAC intoxicated.

That cop is an idiot.  But please stop this nonsense about death for 0.108 BAC.... it was that, it was resisting arrest, it was taking a cops taser, it was running, and it was pointing a taser at a cop.

I personally still think police need to be trained differently.  They knew who it was and had his car. They already had the BAC.  Let him run away and get him later.

DewieCox

From the video, there’s a pretty wide range of reasonable opinions for what the charges should be. That’s where most people will end their research and assume they’ve got the case nailed without waiting for justice to be carried out. 

Excessive force? A pretty strong argument could be made for that even when the perp has the taser and,with any critical thought whatsoever absolutely once the taser is spent. Several shots? OOF!! 

At the very least the situation should highlight the need for better training. It’s glaringly obvious that the system failed both the officers and the criminal.

pjl44

tempo_n_groove said:

pjl44 said:

static111 said:

pjl44 said:

If you're trying to tell me that someone could easily distinguish between this and an actual 9mm....

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xvzwp/baltimore-cops-carried-toy-guns-to-plant-on-people-they-shot-trial-reveals-vgtrn

Funny story re plastic guns that look like that.  In Albuquerque walking home from a party a few years ago at about 12:30 am I had one of those pulled on me and stuck in my chest.  I grabbed it instinctually. Heard it crack and knew it was plastic yanked it from dudes hand and threw it then ran after his asshole friend who stole my wallet. Retrieved wallet and called cops.  They arrived 45 minutes later took my statement and said they couldn’t do anything about it even after they found the plastic gun which definitely would have had finger prints.  Good thing cops were always in my neighborhood to keep things safe 🙄

I've had an apartment broken into once and a car broken into three times. Two different cities. In every instance, they have tried to talk me out of filing a report.

Had someone hit & run me and the cop said the same thing to me.  "do you really want to file a report?"

Fuck yeah I want to file a report!

And I did.

I did every time. The first time was my car and, if I'm remembering correctly, I insisted because I needed a police report for my insurance. As I thought about it after the fact, it really annoyed me - the reason is some combination of not wanting to do paperwork and/or keeping crime stats artificially low. Neither serves the public interest. Naturally I found it very aggravating when it happened each subsequent time.