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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    tempo_n_groove said:
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    Bentleyspop said:
    4 Police Officers Fired After A Black Man Dies In Minneapolis Police Custody https://www.npr.org/2020/05/26/862287667/4-police-officers-terminated-after-a-black-man-dies-in-minneapolis-police-custod?sc=18&f=862287667
    The odd thing about this arrest is that from one angle you see one one officer on the victim's. However, it was was actually 3 officers that were holding him down. One on his neck, one holding down his mid section and the other holding down his legs. So this man was going absolutely nowhere. Why was it so difficult to check his pulse once he was not moving for minutes on end.

    I would like to know what led to them having to hold him down handcuff behind his back  by three officers. Btw, did I hear that one officer blocking the view say to those filming "don't do drugs". As if what they were doing was somehow justified.

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    I wish they filmed from the beginning of this.  The man who died was resisting, so the cops had to subdue him because he wasn't going quietly.

    Once the cops get engaged it's like a switch and it's real hard to just shut off.

    Should the cop had stayed on his neck?  I don't think so, optics aren't good on that.

    Should all 4 have been fired?  It saved the city so far and not rioting so yes but, the cops went without due process.

    It's an ugly situation and nobody is winning.

    If I am wrong and there is more footage and more to the story comes around then I can be swayed.

    Better idea: Arrest all 4 officers involved and subject them to countless hours of interrogation until they perjure themselves or incriminate each other.

    Just because cops have no idea on how to deescalate a situation is no excuse to kill someone.

    The man who died was clearly not resisting.  He was clearly overpowered and there was no reason to kill him.  The store owner already provided footage of the arrest showing he was complying with the arrest and stated he was cooperating.  

    This was an execution, plain and simple.  Mayor is now calling for the cop to be arrested, which is the right call.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    He had over 5 minutes to take his knee off the guy's throat and not kill him.  This might be the most blatant one I've ever seen.  That the guy was suspected of forgery is icing on the cake.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,969
    This is from the cop's facebook page....he doesn't even hide it




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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Gern Blansten said:
    This is from the cop's facebook page....he doesn't even hide it




    I wish this was surprising...
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    OnWis97 said:
    He had over 5 minutes to take his knee off the guy's throat and not kill him.  This might be the most blatant one I've ever seen.  That the guy was suspected of forgery is icing on the cake.
    Definitely involuntary manslaughter at least and third degree murder at worst. I just can’t see how a defense counsel could justify that use of force (which it was, “use of force” isn’t always having to use a weapon). Get the cuffs on him and move on. I hope they make an example out of the cop. That defiant look on his face while he kneels on dude’s neck. Ugh. There’s racism, sure. But there’s deeper issues with a guy like this. Probably beats the shit out of his wife, etc. I bet investigators find a lot of crazy shit on him as this plays out.  
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    Tremendous failure this guy was a cop at all. As already mentioned, his complete disregard for his actions of that knee grinding into Floyd's neck. He does look like he's enjoying it. It's a sick satisfying look. The whole hand in his pocket only further shows his lack of concern and comes off as a display of power.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    No excuse. No justification. Cold blooded murder.

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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    edited May 2020
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No excuse. No justification. Cold blooded murder.

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    I hope they release some of the body cam footage at some point in the next few weeks. It does appear the 1st officers on scene struggle with him when first getting him out of the car, but it's impossible to see anything or hear what is being said. I also don't think either of them are the one who put a knee in his neck. Nothing justifies a knee in the back of someone's neck for 7 minutes.

    Edit: I wonder why they cut that video? It was just starting to show what was happening with him either falling down or passively resisting. Maybe the motion on the camera cut out because it got too far away, but it seems there is enough peripheral activity to keep the recording going.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
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    Tremendous failure this guy was a cop at all. As already mentioned, his complete disregard for his actions of that knee grinding into Floyd's neck. He does look like he's enjoying it. It's a sick satisfying look. The whole hand in his pocket only further shows his lack of concern and comes off as a display of power.
    Oh yeah...he’s totally into it.


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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Gern Blansten said:
    This is from the cop's facebook page....he doesn't even hide it




    Are we sure this is real?  Usually cops attempt to hide this stuff, to see it in the open makes me suspicious.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No excuse. No justification. Cold blooded murder.

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    I hope they release some of the body cam footage at some point in the next few weeks. It does appear the 1st officers on scene struggle with him when first getting him out of the car, but it's impossible to see anything or hear what is being said. I also don't think either of them are the one who put a knee in his neck. Nothing justifies a knee in the back of someone's neck for 7 minutes.
    He was cuffed and sitting on the ground after being removed from his car. Then walked across the street to his murder. They could have placed him in the back of the suv patrol car parked where he was detained. Or, they could have pulled the other patrol car up to where he was sitting, thus lessening the time and distance he could have acted up in an effort to get him in the car. Looks to me like a conscious decision to take him away from and out of camera range. No excuse. No justification. And it was a knee on his neck, another officer on his back and one each on each of his legs. While cuffed behind his back. 
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    edited May 2020
    rgambs said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    This is from the cop's facebook page....he doesn't even hide it




    Are we sure this is real?  Usually cops attempt to hide this stuff, to see it in the open makes me suspicious.
    It might not be. I've seen this posted a few times on twitter trying to disprove it. But if it's from his own facebook, who knows?





    The last thing I want to see here is the framing of an already guilty man. The video speaks for itself. We don't need fake (or even real) MAGA hat pictures to prove he's racist. But if that is a real picture...typical.  
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,969
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    I pulled that pic right off of his FB.  He was even commenting on it.  A few of his buddies were telling him to "hang in there" and shit.

    Now I can't seem to find his FB page.  I'm guessing his attorney must have told him to take it down.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,969
    Actually now I am seeing that it might not be the dude...weird that he posted that photo if it wasn't him.  He posted it for sure.
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    wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Dude is going to have some time to work on those tiny arms while locked up..180 lb, ex cop is going to be tasty to some of those fine individuals he will meet
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    Gern Blansten said:
    I pulled that pic right off of his FB.  He was even commenting on it.  A few of his buddies were telling him to "hang in there" 
    Well there ya have it. Typical.
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,824
    wndowpayne said:
    Dude is going to have some time to work on those tiny arms while locked up..180 lb, ex cop is going to be tasty to some of those fine individuals he will meet

    I would not bet a lot of money that he'll be going to prison.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    Gern Blansten said:
    This is from the cop's facebook page....he doesn't even hide it




    you've got to be fucking kidding me. charge this fucker with a hate crime. 
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,550
    wndowpayne said:
    Dude is going to have some time to work on those tiny arms while locked up..180 lb, ex cop is going to be tasty to some of those fine individuals he will meet
    If, and it's a big if, he goes to prison he'll end up in either segregation or in gen-pop with the ABs so either way he's protected.
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    wndowpaynewndowpayne Posts: 1,469
    Not all cops get off..and I can't see anyone locked up with him wanting to befriend an ex cop..Still amazing not one of the other cops even tried to get the guy to take his knee off the guys neck..He was down already.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tbergs said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No excuse. No justification. Cold blooded murder.

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    I hope they release some of the body cam footage at some point in the next few weeks. It does appear the 1st officers on scene struggle with him when first getting him out of the car, but it's impossible to see anything or hear what is being said. I also don't think either of them are the one who put a knee in his neck. Nothing justifies a knee in the back of someone's neck for 7 minutes.
    He was cuffed and sitting on the ground after being removed from his car. Then walked across the street to his murder. They could have placed him in the back of the suv patrol car parked where he was detained. Or, they could have pulled the other patrol car up to where he was sitting, thus lessening the time and distance he could have acted up in an effort to get him in the car. Looks to me like a conscious decision to take him away from and out of camera range. No excuse. No justification. And it was a knee on his neck, another officer on his back and one each on each of his legs. While cuffed behind his back. 
    I'm not going to try and explain away what happened, but I will say that it's not unusual for the arresting officers to place someone they've arrested in their squad so another squad isn't taken off the street and needing to transport to jail, if that's what they were going to do. They're all wearing body cams anyway so I don't think we need make this into some conspiracy to murder the guy off camera. It's fucked up enough in the reality we know.

    Most police defensive tactics classes don't prohibit restricting the movement of someone being detained by holding their legs or arms, but you will not find any department policy authorizing a knee to the neck unless the person is trying to kill you (clearly not happening here). I'd imagine once the chief saw that part, he knew he had the ground to stand behind firings without an investigation being completed first. I'm guessing he has also already reviewed all of the body cam footage to support that decision.

    As this one currently stands, the cop with the knee to the neck seems like an easy conviction for manslaughter, but who knows.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    Gern Blansten said:
    I pulled that pic right off of his FB.  He was even commenting on it.  A few of his buddies were telling him to "hang in there" and shit.

    Now I can't seem to find his FB page.  I'm guessing his attorney must have told him to take it down.
    Could it have been a fake account created by someone else to stir shit up even more and then it got pulled down? If it's true, what a pile of shit, but it seems to be unconfirmed at this time.

    Fucking social media, continues to be a cesspool of either completely made up shit or completely exaggerated shit people try to sell as their true self/life.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    Is This Ex-Minn. Cop Derek Chauvin Wearing a ‘Make Whites Great Again’ Hat?

    Seems like Snopes is saying it is someone else. Definitely a resemblance, but it is apparently a different TrumpHumper in that hat.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,728
    Some background on the cop. A dozen police conduct complaints, never disciplined. 

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    lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 344
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I pulled that pic right off of his FB.  He was even commenting on it.  A few of his buddies were telling him to "hang in there" 
    Well there ya have it. Typical.
    Yes, VERY TYPICAL  for around here,   Nice try thou....
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    lindamarie73 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I pulled that pic right off of his FB.  He was even commenting on it.  A few of his buddies were telling him to "hang in there" 
    Well there ya have it. Typical.
    Yes, VERY TYPICAL  for around here,   Nice try thou....
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    RideRickRideRick Hoorn Posts: 703
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No excuse. No justification. Cold blooded murder.

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    g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,122
    edited May 2020
    I certainly hope people will now understand why Colin Kaepernick took the stance or knee that he took in protesting police brutality in ALL races.



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    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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    lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 344
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    lindamarie73 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I pulled that pic right off of his FB.  He was even commenting on it.  A few of his buddies were telling him to "hang in there" 
    Well there ya have it. Typical.
    Yes, VERY TYPICAL  for around here,   Nice try thou....
    How I pine for the good ol days of bumpy rides and less questions, huh?
    Why do you pine for bumpy rides?  What does that even mean?  Why would you want less questions about this very unfortunate and sad  incident?  
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    g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,122
    University of Minnesota will no longer use Minneapolis PD at football games after the death of George Floyd death.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/university-of-minnesota-to-no-longer-use-minneapolis-pd-at-football-games-after-death-of-george-floyd-023433583.html George Floyd's death in police custody has sparked outrage across the sports world.

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    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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