Police abuse

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dignin said:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/12/nypd-body-worn-camera-pilot-chokehold-death

NYPD urged to step up body-worn camera pilot after chokehold death
Amid accusations of excessive force and increasing civilian video of police activity, New York officers may wear cameras while on duty

The most cited study of the effects of body-worn cameras on policing is Cambridge University’s examination of the police department in Rialto, California. After cameras were introduced in February 2012, officers’ use of force dropped 59%, and complaints against officers plummeted by 88%.

This would be a good thing for so many reasons.

Just as patrol cars are equipped with cameras, so should officers.

badbrains

Remember people, you have the RIGHT to video tape any police officers as long as you're not in their way doing their job. They CANT take your phones or cameras away. NYC even sent out a memo to it's officers explaining this to them. Looks like NYC is actually handling this the right way.

unsung

Up until recently in Illinois they had it as illegal. I have heard that it changed but I need to verify.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/12/nypd-body-worn-camera-pilot-chokehold-death

NYPD urged to step up body-worn camera pilot after chokehold death
Amid accusations of excessive force and increasing civilian video of police activity, New York officers may wear cameras while on duty

The most cited study of the effects of body-worn cameras on policing is Cambridge University’s examination of the police department in Rialto, California. After cameras were introduced in February 2012, officers’ use of force dropped 59%, and complaints against officers plummeted by 88%.

This would be a good thing for so many reasons.

Just as patrol cars are equipped with cameras, so should officers.

Absolutely. However from what I'm reading the police in St. Louis confiscated phones.

unsung

unsung said:

I like John Stossel


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/23/conservatives-libertarians-and-liberals-should-all-worry-about-militarization/

Bringing this back up, ignore that it is fox, stossel is a libertarian.

dignin

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-ferguson-washington-post-reporter-wesley-lowery-gives-account-of-his-arrest/2014/08/13/0fe25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html


In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest



FERGUSON, Mo. — For the past week in Ferguson, reporters have been using the McDonald’s a few blocks from the scene of Michael Brown’s shooting as a staging area. Demonstrations have blown up each night nearby. But inside there’s WiFi and outlets, so it’s common for reporters to gather there.

That was the case Wednesday. My phone was just about to die, so as I charged it, I used the time to respond to people on Twitter and do a little bit of a Q&A since I wasn’t out there covering the protests.

As I sat there, many armed officers came in — some who were dressed as normal officers, others who were dressed with more gear.

Initially, both Ryan Reilly of the Huffington Post and I were asked for identification. I was wearing my lanyard, but Ryan asked why he had to show his ID. They didn’t press the point, but one added that if we called 911, no one would answer.

Then they walked away. Moments later, the police reemerged, telling us that we had to leave. I pulled my phone out and began recording video.

An officer with a large weapon came up to me and said, “Stop recording.”

I said, “Officer, do I not have the right to record you?”

He backed off but told me to hurry up. So I gathered my notebook and pens with one hand while recording him with the other hand.

As I exited, I saw Ryan to my left, having a similar argument with two officers. I recorded him, too, and that angered the officer. As I made my way toward the door, the officers gave me conflicting information.

One instructed me to exit to my left. As I turned left, another officer emerged, blocking my path.

“Go another way,” he said.

As I turned, my backpack, which was slung over one shoulder, began to slip. I said, “Officers, let me just gather my bag.” As I did, one of them said, “Okay, let’s take him.”


Police used tear gas and smoke bombs to repel crowds who threw Molotov cocktails during another violent night in the wake of the shooting of the unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown. (AP)
Multiple officers grabbed me. I tried to turn my back to them to assist them in arresting me. I dropped the things from my hands.

“My hands are behind my back,” I said. “I’m not resisting. I’m not resisting.” At which point one officer said: “You’re resisting. Stop resisting.”

That was when I was most afraid — more afraid than of the tear gas and rubber bullets.

As they took me into custody, the officers slammed me into a soda machine, at one point setting off the Coke dispenser. They put plastic cuffs on me, then they led me out the door.

I could see Ryan still talking to an officer. I said: “Ryan, tweet that they’re arresting me, tweet that they’re arresting me.”

He didn’t have an opportunity, because he was arrested as well.

The officers led us outside to a police van. Inside, there was a large man sitting on the floor between the two benches. He began screaming: “I can’t breathe! Call a paramedic! Call a paramedic!”

Ryan and I asked the officers if they intended to help the man. They said he was fine. The screaming went on for the 10 to 15 minutes we stood outside the van.

“I’m going to die!” he screamed. “I’m going to die! I can’t breathe! I’m going to die!”

Eventually a police car arrived. A woman — with a collar identifying her as a member of the clergy — sat in the back. Ryan and I crammed in next to her, and we took the three-minute ride to the Ferguson Police Department. The woman sang hymns throughout the ride.

During this time, we asked the officers for badge numbers. We asked to speak to a supervising officer. We asked why we were being detained. We were told: trespassing in a McDonald’s.

“I hope you’re happy with yourself,” one officer told me. And I responded: “This story’s going to get out there. It’s going to be on the front page of The Washington Post tomorrow.”

And he said, “Yeah, well, you’re going to be in my jail cell tonight.”

Once at the station, we were processed, our pockets emptied. No mug shots. They removed our restraints and put us in a holding cell. Ryan was able to get ahold of his dad. I called my mom, but I couldn’t get through. I couldn’t remember any phone numbers.

We were in there for what felt like 10 or 15 minutes. Then the processing officer came in.

“Who’s media?” he asked.

We said we were. And the officer said we were both free to go. We asked to speak to a commanding officer. We asked to see an arrest report. No report, the officer told us, and no, they wouldn’t provide any names.

I asked if there would ever be a report. He came back with a case number and said a report would be available in a week or two.

“The chief thought he was doing you two a favor,” he said.

The Ferguson Police Department did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Lowery’s detention.

The following is a statement on the incident from Washington Post Executive Editor Martin D. Baron:

Wesley has briefed us on what occurred, and there was absolutely no justification for his
arrest.

He was illegally instructed to stop taking video of officers. Then he followed officers’ instructions to leave a McDonald’s — and after contradictory instructions on how to exit, he was slammed against a soda machine and then handcuffed. That behavior was wholly unwarranted and an assault on the freedom of the press to cover the news. The physical risk to Wesley himself is obvious and outrageous.

After being placed in a holding cell, he was released with no charges and no explanation. He was denied information about the names and badge numbers of those who arrested him.

We are relieved that Wesley is going to be OK. We are appalled by the conduct of police officers involved.

josevolution

unsung said:

unsung said:

I like John Stossel


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/23/conservatives-libertarians-and-liberals-should-all-worry-about-militarization/

Bringing this back up, ignore that it is fox, stossel is a libertarian.

I agree with Stossel but i have to ask where is your other Libertarians that you allways speak of where is Rand speaking out against this he sure as hell jumped on the farmers side out west when the big bad gov wanted those cows to be moved just asking ....

unsung

Don't know, don't care, that's not the point of this thread. We can discuss it in another if you will make it.

unsung

http://newsone.com/3044496/anonymous-releases-name-of-officer-who-allegedly-killed-michael-brown/

unsung

Unfortunate events like this are what make positive change. It is tragic that someone died, it is tragic that is what it takes to get people motivated.

unsung

bad brains said:

Remember people, you have the RIGHT to video tape .

The kids call it recording now. LOL. Just busting your chops.

josevolution

unsung said:

Don't know, don't care, that's not the point of this thread. We can discuss it in another if you will make it.

ok very convenient only bring up what you wanna discuss ok got it ...

unsung

It's off topic. That's why we have threads and multiple forums and not just one big and long message.

dignin

http://boingboing.net/2014/08/14/video-of-ferguson-police-gassi.html

Video of Ferguson police gassing news crew and dismantling their equipment

unsung

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-weapons-war-us-citys-streets

unsung

dignin said:

http://boingboing.net/2014/08/14/video-of-ferguson-police-gassi.html

Video of Ferguson police gassing news crew and dismantling their equipment

Sick.

unsung

josevolution said:

unsung said:

Don't know, don't care, that's not the point of this thread. We can discuss it in another if you will make it.

ok very convenient only bring up what you wanna discuss ok got it ...

Since you asked nicely, I looked.

http://rare.us/story/justin-amash-weighs-in-on-ferguson-chaos/

unsung

Freedom of the Press? No such thing.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/167688-video-journalists-arrested-ferguson-mcdonalds-police-presence-elevated-protesters-attack/

josevolution

unsung said:

josevolution said:

unsung said:

Don't know, don't care, that's not the point of this thread. We can discuss it in another if you will make it.

ok very convenient only bring up what you wanna discuss ok got it ...

Since you asked nicely, I looked.

http://rare.us/story/justin-amash-weighs-in-on-ferguson-chaos/

I thank you for looking I've learned a ton from you and others here i don't allways agree with you but on issues like this i absolutely do ...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Yah.

Unsung is kooky (in a good way), but I have to concede that this situation begs consideration for what he consistently says.