Police abuse

unsung

My balance...

You want me to go around posting stories of cops that actually do their jobs and not abuse people? Do you get a bonus every day because you do your job correctly?

Besides if "my balance" is off then perhaps the police need to tone it down a few notches.

vant0037

unsung said:

I have never said it is all cops, I know many that are good people. I also know many that are not.

The discussion on previous pages was why is this becoming more evident. Do you really believe that because of the internet more of these abuses exist? Was there not enough technology to let the world know about the Rodney King beating?

I believe the internet does certainly contribute to more cases being shared which is a good thing. Abusive police need to be put on notice and they need to be stopped. Not only are they hurting innocent people but they are giving the good guys a bad name. We can disagree but I believe that we are trending towards a police state, as recent events compel me to come to that conclusion.

I also believe the militarization of the local police drastically increases civil rights abuses of the public.

I guess this is my concern. You believe we are trending toward a police state, and have stated that you believe a majority of "young cops" are bad. You're citing individual instances where police officers do bad things as evidence. I'm challenging your statement about cops by pointing out the hundreds of thousands of instances that occur every day where there isn't police abuse. It simply can't be true that a handful of incidents where cops - young or old - do bad things means some subset of cops is in large part "bad."

I agree reporting and information of abuse is generally a great thing. I do wonder whether, in the advent of 24-hour news, the internet, and the speed of which things are reported, transmitted and retransmitted, whether or not we're hearing more stories, or just the same stories more frequently.

Ultimately, I think you've made up your mind about cops and are trying to find evidence that supports that opinion. That's fine, but just understand there's a lot of evidence that suggests your opinion isn't accurate, or at the very least, that your argument as stated is illogical. (e.g. some cops do bad things so therefore a majority of cops do bad things).

unsung

I'm not going to keep quoting but you are sort of making it sound like these violations are infrequent, and I don't believe that they are.

And again the problem with just one violation can cause a ripple effect, lives get ruined. Not too many groups of people can probably do as much damage as a police force when they abuse their roles.

So in conclusion I point out misdeeds, because the "mistakes" that police make are often with severe consequences.

vant0037

unsung said:

My balance...

You want me to go around posting stories of cops that actually do their jobs and not abuse people? Do you get a bonus every day because you do your job correctly?

Besides if "my balance" is off then perhaps the police need to tone it down a few notches.

No one's asking you to do anything and no one expects medals for cops who don't commit abuse. But also understand that you've made a very broad claim about cops, namely that a "majority of cops are bad"/"there's a trend toward bad cops" etc. All I've tried to do is point out why your conclusion is not supported by your evidence. Claiming a majority of cops are bad because some cops do bad things is illogical, at least without a lot more evidence and numbers.

vant0037

unsung said:

I'm not going to keep quoting but you are sort of making it sound like these violations are infrequent, and I don't believe that they are.

And again the problem with just one violation can cause a ripple effect, lives get ruined. Not too many groups of people can probably do as much damage as a police force when they abuse their roles.

So in conclusion I point out misdeeds, because the "mistakes" that police make are often with severe consequences.

Again, they are "infrequent" insofar as there are far more instances of non-abuse.

No one is doubting that when cops commit abuse (like murder, brutality etc) lives are changed and ruined. That's not the issue.

You've made a broad claim that a majority of cops are bad OR that there's a trend toward cops committing abuse. You've cited individual instances of abuse as support for that claim. That is an unsupported conclusion without also providing evidence that a majority of police contacts end with police abuse, that more abuse is actually happening and not just reported more frequently etc.

vant0037

unsung said:

I'm not going to keep quoting but you are sort of making it sound like these violations are infrequent, and I don't believe that they are.

So what's the evidence that they're not infrequent (at least when compared to the number of police contacts that don't end in abuse)? That's the crux of the problem with your claim...

unsung

There are certainly less violations than non-violations based on interactions, I don't recall saying the opposite. My point is that I believe the violations are becoming more frequent than say 50 years ago.

FWIW, my statement about trending that you keep citing was concerning how the police have been becoming more militaristic and the violations becoming more frequent. It had nothing to do with percentages of good/bad cop. Frequencies can increase and still not hit the majority.

I gtg, everyone stay safe.

vant0037

unsung said:

There are certainly less violations than non-violations based on interactions, I don't recall saying the opposite. My point is that I believe the violations are becoming more frequent than say 50 years ago.

FWIW, my statement about trending that you keep citing was concerning how the police have been becoming more militaristic and the violations becoming more frequent. It had nothing to do with percentages of good/bad cop. Frequencies can increase and still not hit the majority.

I gtg, everyone stay safe.

Well, that's typically what a statement about a majority might mean, and you did use the phrasing about good vs. bad (in response to my original question), but I digress. Glad we could clarify it. Take care.

unsung

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/08/10/missouri-cop-kills-unarmed-man-holding-arms-air-sparking-angry-residents-take-streets/

grooveme

We had a really sad day in and around Dallas yesterday and the day before. A teenager shot and killed both his parents. Another teenager stabbed three family members (all are expected to recover) before being shot and killed by the police. A man was shot on the street by the police after he was harassing people on the street and tried to climb in a minivan with a family.

Last but not least, a man with apparent anti government views started a fire in a very upscale neighborhood, called the fire department, then began shooting at them. He also called the police, falsely reporting a kidnapping, then shot at them when they arrived. The SWAT team came and he surrendered without anyone being hurt.

It is depressing how much violence there is in our society these days. Generally hostile and angry "news" commentators whipping up hatred and people inciting hatred against the police and the government are not doing anyone any favors. Sure there are bad cops, but there are good ones, too, who outweigh the bad ones. Generalizing about any group of people is not helpful

unsung

Thank everything that is right for those brave officers stopping this menace to society.



http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/us/south-dakota-taser-lawsuit/index.html?sr=fb081014taserlawsuit11astorylink

dignin

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/lapd-shoot-kill-ezell-ford_n_5674679.html

LAPD Shoots, Kills Black Man During 'Investigative Stop'

badbrains

America is wilding out. Hollyshit

badbrains

This shits crazy, humanity sticking together from all over the world In solidarity

https://twitter.com/occupyoakland/status/499758619470987266

badbrains

badbrains said:

This shits crazy, humanity sticking together from all over the world In solidarity

https://twitter.com/occupyoakland/status/499758619470987266

https://twitter.com/jdcrazyj/status/499759612011479040

unsung

I like John Stossel


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/07/23/conservatives-libertarians-and-liberals-should-all-worry-about-militarization/

Godfather.

dignin said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/13/lapd-shoot-kill-ezell-ford_n_5674679.html

LAPD Shoots, Kills Black Man During 'Investigative Stop'

Looting and unrest has rocked the neighborhood in the days following Brown's death. At least four people, including two police officers, have been hurt and 47 arrested in the aftermath of the shooting, according to St. Louis' KMOV.

what a suprise...looting, who-da-thunk-it ? anything for a free t.v or a pair air jordans right ?

Godfather.

dignin

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-the-police-s-military-like-response-to-missouri-riots-1.2735588

Michael Brown shooting: The police's military-like response to Missouri riots
Rising militarization of police in U.S. proves deadly and costly

badbrains

dignin said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-the-police-s-military-like-response-to-missouri-riots-1.2735588

Michael Brown shooting: The police's military-like response to Missouri riots
Rising militarization of police in U.S. proves deadly and costly

What the fuck happened to my country?

dignin

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/12/nypd-body-worn-camera-pilot-chokehold-death

NYPD urged to step up body-worn camera pilot after chokehold death
Amid accusations of excessive force and increasing civilian video of police activity, New York officers may wear cameras while on duty

The most cited study of the effects of body-worn cameras on policing is Cambridge University’s examination of the police department in Rialto, California. After cameras were introduced in February 2012, officers’ use of force dropped 59%, and complaints against officers plummeted by 88%.