Imagine That -- I’m Still Anti-War

Byrnzie

Spags said:

3 day peace is on.

It didn't last long apparently:

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haberler/141712/israeli-tank-fire-kills-4-after-truce-begins?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

World Bulletin/News Desk

Israeli tanks opened fire in the southern Gaza Strip after a 72-hour truce began on Friday, a Reuters photographer and the Palestinian Interior Ministry said, and Hamas media reported that four people were killed.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment.

Byrnzie

eldarion75

seriously...



http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/08/01/oh-the-humanity-4/

Byrnzie

The sad thing is, you can actually imagine the BBC reporting such a thing. The BBC really are a joke. Most people realize this now though.

badbrains

Byrnzie said:

The sad thing is, you can actually imagine the BBC reporting such a thing. The BBC really are a joke. Most people realize this now though.

It's fucken comical.

Spags

2 hours to bury your dead and grab a sandwich - fucksake

rr165892

BS44325 said:

Byrnzie said:

BS44325 said:

This is not something I have ever said. To suggest that is a willful distortion. You can criticize Israel. You can want the end of Hamas at the same time. Not mutually exclusive views. Some of you only want to discuss one while refusing to discuss the other. When I mention this I get accused of DEFLECTION.

You claim to read everything posted here. What do you think about the article 'fuck' posted?:

Palestinian Resistance: an icon for those who long to live free

There are nations and peoples, other than the Palestinians, who understand what it means to prefer to die fighting than die on their knees
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/palestinian-resistance-icon-those-who-long-live-free-1680919465

You have nothing to say about it?

Do I have to respond to every post on here? Make up your minds please! BadBrains wants me to leave and you want my thoughts on everything?

I kid, I kid

I read it before. I feel her pain...believe me I do. The problem is that resistance in ALL forms results in suicide bombings which results in retaliation, which results in more bombings, which results in walls, which results in missiles, which results in invasions, which results in more misery. Where does it end? You claim that this invasion is bringing the world to the Palestinian's side and I actually agree. The problem is effectively what does that mean? It's sadly Hashtag Support. Israel isn't going away and the poor Palestinians will be left as pawns in a far larger game. At some point resistance needs to end and negotiation needs to begin.

This is what I've been saying as well.It is possible to not agree with Israeli aggression and want peace for the Palestinians ,and Speak against Hamas,and want non military solutions.It Dosent have to be one or the other or the other.The violence and blood shed has to stop for real substantial peace to be brokered.

eldarion75

man, we should all chip in and send mel Gibson an apology card and a fruit basket..maybe some flowers or somethin....




(i joke)

BS44325

eldarion75 said:

man, we should all chip in and send mel Gibson an apology card and a fruit basket..maybe some flowers or somethin....




(i joke)

Ha! I'm in. Love Mel.

BS44325

The grand chess game:

"This time, Gaza fighting is 'proxy war' for entire Mideast"
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/world/meast/israel-gaza-region/

PJ_Soul

Byrnzie said:

Spags said:

3 day peace is on.

It didn't last long apparently:

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haberler/141712/israeli-tank-fire-kills-4-after-truce-begins?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

World Bulletin/News Desk

Israeli tanks opened fire in the southern Gaza Strip after a 72-hour truce began on Friday, a Reuters photographer and the Palestinian Interior Ministry said, and Hamas media reported that four people were killed.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment.

Sounds to me like it was Hamas who broke the cease fire.

badbrains

This pictures most def belongs here NO FUCKEN DOUBT:

https://twitter.com/immortaltech/status/495240610417111040

brianlux

badbrains said:

This pictures most def belongs here NO FUCKEN DOUBT:

https://twitter.com/immortaltech/status/495240610417111040

:-bd

PJ_Soul

badbrains said:

This pictures most def belongs here NO FUCKEN DOUBT:

https://twitter.com/immortaltech/status/495240610417111040

I've been really glad to see Jews speaking out around the world (including some in Israel) against the Israeli government's actions..... I hope those who are tending to blame Jews as opposed to that government (and Hamas) are taking note.

EdsonNascimento

I think my favorite part of this and similar threads is that if you don't agree with me you're caving to propaganda, but what I post is definitely not propaganda especially if I post it over and over again.

Note: I am personally not calling anyone's posting propaganda. Just citing the

PJ_Soul said:

Byrnzie said:

Spags said:

3 day peace is on.

It didn't last long apparently:

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haberler/141712/israeli-tank-fire-kills-4-after-truce-begins?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

World Bulletin/News Desk

Israeli tanks opened fire in the southern Gaza Strip after a 72-hour truce began on Friday, a Reuters photographer and the Palestinian Interior Ministry said, and Hamas media reported that four people were killed.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment.

Sounds to me like it was Hamas who broke the cease fire.

It was. While the Israeli soldiers were seeking out to destroy the terror tunnels, a suicide bomber killed 2 soldiers and possibly the same or separate incident another soldier was taken hostage minutes after the cease fire.

John Kerry (and others) are calling for the unconditional return of the soldier captured to effectively break the terms of the cease fire.

But, don't worry - that will be dismissed a propaganda because it doesn't fit with a certain world view.

badbrains

EdsonNascimento said:

I think my favorite part of this and similar threads is that if you don't agree with me you're caving to propaganda, but what I post is definitely not propaganda especially if I post it over and over again.

Note: I am personally not calling anyone's posting propaganda. Just citing the

PJ_Soul said:

Byrnzie said:

Spags said:

3 day peace is on.

It didn't last long apparently:

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haberler/141712/israeli-tank-fire-kills-4-after-truce-begins?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

World Bulletin/News Desk

Israeli tanks opened fire in the southern Gaza Strip after a 72-hour truce began on Friday, a Reuters photographer and the Palestinian Interior Ministry said, and Hamas media reported that four people were killed.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment.

Sounds to me like it was Hamas who broke the cease fire.

It was. While the Israeli soldiers were seeking out to destroy the terror tunnels, a suicide bomber killed 2 soldiers and possibly the same or separate incident another soldier was taken hostage minutes after the cease fire.

John Kerry (and others) are calling for the unconditional return of the soldier captured to effectively break the terms of the cease fire.

But, don't worry - that will be dismissed a propaganda because it doesn't fit with a certain world view.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/08/01/Israel-Hamas-agree-72-hour-Gaza-ceasefire.html

"The Israeli army aid two soldiers were killed in fighting in the Gaza Strip Friday and named a third man feared captured as a Second Lieutenant Hadar Goldin, 23. Earlier an army spokesman said a 72-hour truce that was to have taken effect Friday morning was now over due to the incident."

Now if this happened before the cease fire began, then what's the issue? I dnt get it, are just Palestinian women/children the only targets acceptable? What I got out of that article is that Israel canceled the cease fire because this idf soldier was "captured" during the time of the conflict, NOT after the cease fire began. Anybody else get that?

dankind

With all due respect to Brian et al. who are trying to steer this thread into a thread for peace, I might be splitting hairs, but the title of this thread and Eddie Vedder's letter is "Imagine That -- I'm Still Anti-War." It is not "Imagine That -- I'm Preaching Peace."

Taken alone "anti" connotes a certain fierceness (an affectation that has often been attributed to the lyrical and vocal stylings of Eddie Vedder). According to merriam-webster.com, anti = one that is opposed.

And what I've read here is, for the most part, just that -- the fierce opinions of those who are opposed to war/institutional violence. Of course, as with any discussion in which there are multiple points of view, the debate can sometimes get personal due to the passionate positions of the participants. But I like to think that all of us are plenty thick-skinned enough to ignore that noise and get back to the topic at hand -- namely, opposing war. I haven't seen anything that has seemed willfully malicious, just fiery and at times dumb and reactionary -- and we've all been there (no offense meant).

Pro-peace is the complementary, or perhaps supplementary, side of being anti-war, but they are not one and the same.

"I myself once dabbled in pacifism," so if you want to start a thread somewhere with the objective of promoting peace, by all means, please do so (and pm me the link so that I might participate), but this ain't that thread. This is a thread for those who are ANTI-war.

That being said: As-salaam alaikum.

benjs

EdsonNascimento said:

I think my favorite part of this and similar threads is that if you don't agree with me you're caving to propaganda, but what I post is definitely not propaganda especially if I post it over and over again.

Note: I am personally not calling anyone's posting propaganda. Just citing the

PJ_Soul said:

Byrnzie said:

Spags said:

3 day peace is on.

It didn't last long apparently:

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haberler/141712/israeli-tank-fire-kills-4-after-truce-begins?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

World Bulletin/News Desk

Israeli tanks opened fire in the southern Gaza Strip after a 72-hour truce began on Friday, a Reuters photographer and the Palestinian Interior Ministry said, and Hamas media reported that four people were killed.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment.

Sounds to me like it was Hamas who broke the cease fire.

It was. While the Israeli soldiers were seeking out to destroy the terror tunnels, a suicide bomber killed 2 soldiers and possibly the same or separate incident another soldier was taken hostage minutes after the cease fire.

John Kerry (and others) are calling for the unconditional return of the soldier captured to effectively break the terms of the cease fire.

But, don't worry - that will be dismissed a propaganda because it doesn't fit with a certain world view.

I haven't read the terms and conditions of the cease fire carefully, but I would say where the blame resides in this instance is dependent on those. If it was formally agreed upon that Israel would cease the destruction of the tunnels for that duration, then of course, Israel is to blame. If it was not formally agreed upon, it seems to me it would be in Israel's hands whether or not they opt to retaliate. My vote would be against retaliation, since it's hard to verify whether a suicide bomber is acting independently, or as instructed by an organization like Hamas, and because, for fuck's sake, you have a volatile situation as it is, show some basic human compassion and empathy towards people who are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

benjs

dankind said:

With all due respect to Brian et al. who are trying to steer this thread into a thread for peace, I might be splitting hairs, but the title of this thread and Eddie Vedder's letter is "Imagine That -- I'm Still Anti-War." It is not "Imagine That -- I'm Preaching Peace."

Taken alone "anti" connotes a certain fierceness (an affectation that has often been attributed to the lyrical and vocal stylings of Eddie Vedder). According to merriam-webster.com, anti = one that is opposed.

And what I've read here is, for the most part, just that -- the fierce opinions of those who are opposed to war/institutional violence. Of course, as with any discussion in which there are multiple points of view, the debate can sometimes get personal due to the passionate positions of the participants. But I like to think that all of us are plenty thick-skinned enough to ignore that noise and get back to the topic at hand -- namely, opposing war. I haven't seen anything that has seemed willfully malicious, just fiery and at times dumb and reactionary -- and we've all been there (no offense meant).

Pro-peace is the complementary, or perhaps supplementary, side of being anti-war, but they are not one and the same.

"I myself once dabbled in pacifism," so if you want to start a thread somewhere with the objective of promoting peace, by all means, please do so (and pm me the link so that I might participate), but this ain't that thread. This is a thread for those who are ANTI-war.

That being said: As-salaam alaikum.

Ve'shalom shelcha, ve'al col hapalestinyim, ve'anashim b'col ha'olam.

PS This is most likely not proper Hebrew. I am rusty.

PJ_Soul

I seriously doubt that a cease-fire could possibly include Israel ceasing the destruction of tunnels that are within their territory.
Not dismissing everything that the Israeli government does, Hamas has a VERY bad track record as far as violating cease-fires go. I'm surprised anyone is even still bothering with these cease-fires. They never stick because Hamas always immediately lobs something over the fence and Israel always immediately retaliates.