10c / Pearl Jam should be ashamed for not being honest about Petty shows

JOEJOEJOE

Zod wrote:

I'd be a bit bummed if was expecting a longer set, if I'd gone to the show i'd of expected 90 minutes, so 80 minutes would be just off the mark. It would feel damn short, because pearl jam plays some of the longest sets in rock n' roll.

I wonder if things were still being hammered out when the ten club released the original info, I don't recall reading anywhere that petty was opening for pearl jam. I remember groundwork 2001, with pearl jam being to respectful to close for REM in pearl jam's home town of seattle. So as a result REM, had to watch droves of people leave the arena (that had to hurt) :(

I was guessing pearl jam would end up opening (I don't really believe in a co-headlining tour, because everyone i've been too, someone still has to play first, and they usually don't get the luxury of an encore, and usually have a shorter set).

Personally I would of expected the 90 minutes and been a bit bummed at only 80, but I know alot of people aren't as lucky at me, and don't have that kind of concert/experience knowledge, so that would suck.

The thing that boggles my mind is how you could just leave for Petty, hes right there, its already paid for, why not give it a shot, I know i'm a bit of a petty fan, but say it was the stones (who i'm not much of a fan of), i'd still stay, see how they were live.

I remember the ten club saying pearl jam would do a full set (don't remember it saying full show), which i also still made me think 90 minutes).. my bullshitmeter went off, because I didn't there would be enough time. Even if a venue closes at midnight, that means it has to be vacant at midnight, which means a show has to end a fair bit earlier to disperse the crowd.

I don't think its ten clubs fault unless they knew in advance how short it would be, but I know when i see pj i just want more, so 80 minutes would still leave me starving for the jam.

People left before Petty so that they'd have more to whine about!

Why people wouldn't have given him a chance, I don't know!

People worry too much about the elitist/cool factor when making their decisions!

pureoc

PJ & Dylan = Muse wrote:

I, for one, am pumped for Summerfest. If the length is the same, fine. I look at it as a historic day to see these two bands on the same bill. Hell, I'm turning it into one of the greatest days of my life by seeing the Cubs/Sox game at Wrigley's bleachers earlier in the day before the show.

How do you plan on getting from Wrigley to Summerfest with traffic? Game gets done about 4 if its a quick one. That gives you 3 1/2 hrs. to get to Milwaukee. If traffic is good it takes about 2 hrs. First off you'll hit rush hour in Chicago, then all the traffic from the 4th then Summerfest traffic (which will be bad due to all the shitty construction in Milwaukee).

Im not trying to be a buzz kill here but it's very ify that you will get to the show on time. I had tickets for the Cubs Brewers game on Thur. but sold them to go to Summerfest instead, because I don't want to miss a second of this show. Just my .02. Good luck and I hope you do make it on time.

DP13

jamminpearls wrote:

I see how your mad, because of the cash amount u spent. But did anyone else read the boards were bootlegs for these shows were talked about by basecamp? They are lettting u purchase both petty shows for the price of one. Why? because it said that the shows would be shorter. Not being a dick and would be dissapointed myself,but i read it. And many others probably did 2.

this was posted by basecamp only a mere 2 months AFTER tickets went onsale for these co-headling shows and in summerfest case AFTER the shows were completely sold out.

This is a 100% legitimate bitch!

Stop saying it is anything different.

I and others are not saying the 10c is bad or that they don't care or they suck... they are the best fanclub in the world...but they dropped the ball on this one.

If the situation recently changed then they should have made an announcement to the fact... if it was always PJ opening for Petty then they just flat out mis-advertised when tickets went onsale.

It is that simple.


My biggest fear is that PJ will get the opening band sound treatment. I have seen plenty of my favorite acts in opening roles and the sound is just never as good. It is almost like they hold some PA speakers and a few decibles for the main event. I hope this is not the case for these shows.

hsewif

Was the St Paul announcement like this one?

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=180974?

#1 04-18-2006, 04:57 PM
Rubysdad
Animal Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Seattle, Missoula
Posts: 76

Pearl Jam at Summerfest!

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Another opportunity to see Pearl Jam co-headlining with Tom Petty and the
Heartbreakers, has just been added to the US Tour. The shows will take place
at Summerfest on June 29th and June 30th at the Marcus Amphitheater ... And
Ten Club has tickets!

An exclusive Ten Club pre-sale for these shows only will start April 19th at
10am PDT. You must be an active member as of April 4th to qualify for the
pre-sale ticket opportunity. Pre-sale tickets are available while supplies
last and we do not guarantee tickets for every eligible member. The pre-sale
will end promptly on April 29th at 5pm PDT.

Tickets will be available online only at: http://www.tenclub.net/goods/.
Ticket price, for a pair of reserved seats, will be $203.00 ... This
includes a $6.00 admission fee into the fairgrounds. Remember, this is a
co-headlining show with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, so both bands will
play full sets. Pearl Jam is scheduled to play at 8pm both nights.

Please visit http://www.tenclub.net/tenclub/tickets.php for more information
on purchasing tickets. We HIGHLY RECOMMEND that you read these details
before purchasing tickets.

You will receive an order confirmation once your ticket order is
successfully processed and an additional confirmation with details on how to
collect your tickets once the pre-sale has ended.

Contact tickets@tenclub.net with questions related to tour and ticket
information.

Thanks
10c staff


--It says co-headlining; full sets by both bands; PJ is scheduled for 8 pm on both nights. I still can't understand how that's false advertising, it all seems pretty straight forward. SO forward that I didn't buy tickets through 10C.

I couldn't find any original info on the other cities, were they very different.?

applenut

sk8nshoot1 wrote:

$49.50 for the GA Floor... Not a seat... All lower bowl seats were $160

Closest ticket in the house.

You are wrong.

PJ and Dylan are my muse

pureoc wrote:

How do you plan on getting from Wrigley to Summerfest with traffic?

Thanks for the question.... I had this planned a long time ago my friend. This is perfection at it's finest. 5:08 Amtrak from Chicago arrives at Milwaukee at 6:45.

So, leave game at 4. Cab to Union Station, board train and change clothes on train. At Milwaukee get off train, head to hotel in a cab, check in and drop bags, back to same cab that I keep waiting for me, off to Summerfest.

Some may call it genius... I call it JITL....

Just In Time Lifestyle - why be early when you can be on time.

Passed on Thursday's show as I did not have a hotel room and did not want to spend the extra on hotel/tickets/travel/etc. after a long day off work. Usually 2nd night shows seem to be better anyway.

PJ and Dylan are my muse

applenut wrote:

Closest ticket in the house.

You are wrong.

Please......this was a lucky opportunity that U2 specially provided for their shows. There are only a few of these seats available for each show. If you read my post....

PJ & Dylan = Muse wrote:

You are paying a lessor price to see them both that would be paid to see the Stones, Bon Jovi or U2 by themselves. I mean think about the current concert ticket price landscape!

I am speaking in general terms about ticket prices as a whole. I just named three bands off the top of my head that charge more for MOST of their seats then this show costs.

I'll research and name about 10 more if needed. Quoting a "special G/A" ticket price for U2 does not compare to the point I was making.

This show cost less then the current Aerosmith/Crue tour that just went on sale for equivalent seating. Are we going to now compare those two bands with PJ/Petty? Come on......

LifeWasted21

hsewif wrote:

Was the St Paul announcement like this one?

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=180974?

#1 04-18-2006, 04:57 PM
Rubysdad
Animal Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Seattle, Missoula
Posts: 76

Pearl Jam at Summerfest!

---

Another opportunity to see Pearl Jam co-headlining with Tom Petty and the
Heartbreakers, has just been added to the US Tour. The shows will take place
at Summerfest on June 29th and June 30th at the Marcus Amphitheater ... And
Ten Club has tickets!

An exclusive Ten Club pre-sale for these shows only will start April 19th at
10am PDT. You must be an active member as of April 4th to qualify for the
pre-sale ticket opportunity. Pre-sale tickets are available while supplies
last and we do not guarantee tickets for every eligible member. The pre-sale
will end promptly on April 29th at 5pm PDT.

Tickets will be available online only at: http://www.tenclub.net/goods/.
Ticket price, for a pair of reserved seats, will be $203.00 ... This
includes a $6.00 admission fee into the fairgrounds. Remember, this is a
co-headlining show with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, so both bands will
play full sets. Pearl Jam is scheduled to play at 8pm both nights.

Please visit http://www.tenclub.net/tenclub/tickets.php for more information
on purchasing tickets. We HIGHLY RECOMMEND that you read these details
before purchasing tickets.

You will receive an order confirmation once your ticket order is
successfully processed and an additional confirmation with details on how to
collect your tickets once the pre-sale has ended.

Contact tickets@tenclub.net with questions related to tour and ticket
information.

Thanks
10c staff


--It says co-headlining; full sets by both bands; PJ is scheduled for 8 pm on both nights. I still can't understand how that's false advertising, it all seems pretty straight forward. SO forward that I didn't buy tickets through 10C.

I couldn't find any original info on the other cities, were they very different.?

its false advertising cause people are idiots and dont udnerstand what a set is in music. its exactly what pj has done both nights. 17 songs. Check all their other shows, the first set is about 17 songs. Then 2-3 ENCORES. they told you what you were getting, maybe 10c should just cater to the idiots?

GeorgeinNY

well, Phil Lesh and Friends w/Trey Anastasio its only 50 bucks for best seat in the house, 35 for the lawn. Yeah Yeah Yeahs w/ Sonic Youth is 35 bucks for all-GA show.

150 bucks for Aerosmith/Motley Crue, that is insane(ps- I dont think it will sell out at that price) Considering that same 150 will get you inside Lollapalooza for 3 days festival!

edit- are we still arguing on the definition of "full set"? My guess is when 10C wrote the release they assumed PJ would play their full 2 hr plus concert therefore "full set" wording. Somewhere along the line the plans changed and there we go we have some pissed off people. I dont think 10 C did anything intentionally to mislead people, though I understand how some people might feel misled... (btw- reading that release I think anyone in his right mind would assume they are getting full PJ concert, not Set 1 of PJ, so I guess that would make me an idiot too...)

PJ and Dylan are my muse

GeorgeinNY wrote:

well, Phil Lesh and Friends w/Trey Anastasio its only 50 bucks for best seat in the house, 35 for the lawn. Yeah Yeah Yeahs w/ Sonic Youth is 35 bucks for all-GA show.

150 bucks for Aerosmith/Motley Crue, that is insane(ps- I dont think it will sell out at that price) Considering that same 150 will get you inside Lollapalooza for 3 days festival!

I totally agree on Aerosmith/Crue. I also see your point on the Phil/Trey & Yeah's/Youth. But I consider those examples a bit different. Those bands do not sell out large arenas, ie are not icon bands.

What I was trying to make the point of was this....

I understand people are frustrated with the amount of "show" they are getting for their $, but other acts out there with "icon status" (the U2's, the Stones, the Jovi's, the Bab's, the Madonna's) are asking for ticket prices that are far more for equivalent seating. We should be thankful to see these two icon bands for about $50 each. Sure, the PJ set is only 17 songs but I pay $50-$60 to see Dylan sing 14 songs any chance I get.

You just never know when all you will have to rely on is the past with no chance of a future, ie. no more albums, no more tour or no more band.

Now, I paid my $203 to 10C for the Summerfest show. I know I will have great seats, which makes the price more worth it from the start. Will it truly be CO-HEADLINING as the tour page said/says on pearljam.com, I don't know. But I consider the price fair for two normal (non-encore) sets by two icon bands that also include all ticketbastard fees and admission to Summerfest. If it is a 7:30 to 11:30 show (1 hour break), I consider my $33.83/hour paid to see them BOTH a good deal and so will my buddy.

I do not consider U2 charging $160 a seat for just U2 a good deal as now I am paying $64/hour (nearly double), if their show is 2 1/2 hours, to see just them (that is if their opener is a non-icon so to speak).

Of course, if PJ/10C tried to charge that for just PJ for a show, I would honestly pass. I would try and get crappy cheap seats or just buy the boot.

I have been spoiled enough and seen them enough already that I can say "NO THANKS" if ticket prices get too high. For others, it is not as easy to put the proverbial PJ fork down.....

DP13

the price has nothing to do with it, people who purchased tickets chose to pay how much they paid, no matter if it was a cool grand or five bucks. This argument is poor.

the fact that a "set" also equals 17 songs is also inaccurate. Plenty of bands play 10 or 12 song sets.

what was wrong was the use of the word "full".

70 minutes, Pearl Jam and Full have nothing in common.

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in other news people have asked why PJ would do these shows???... well it MAY be because they want to tip their caps to TPATH OR it is because these shows are pretty solid moneymakers in what are less populated areas. The venue rent is cut in half, the ticket price was almost doubled, two nights in the same town = big transportation savings. PJ would have struggled selling out two weeknight shows in St Paul witout Petty (and likewise).

PJ has never had a big name opening band on the road with them to help sell tickets which is pretty standard for arena rock acts/jam bands. I always take this into account when looking at summer tour statistics. U2, DMB etc always have household name acts with them.

drolly

a8l wrote:

in other news people have asked why PJ would do these shows???... well it MAY be because they want to tip their caps to TPATH OR it is because these shows are pretty solid moneymakers in what are less populated areas. The venue rent is cut in half, the ticket price was almost doubled, two nights in the same town = big transportation savings. PJ would have struggled selling out two weeknight shows in St Paul witout Petty (and likewise).

Not that I want to get away from the topic of this post one bit because I'm still plenty steamed, but I disagree with part of this. First of all, the XCel Energy Center isn't exactly a huge venue (holds between 16-18,000), so selling it out really wouldn't be that difficult. I believe it was a sellout or very near it for the last show there in '03, I don't see a reason why it wouldn't this time around (especially consider this album is much more of a commercial success). The band has been playing a LOT of back to backs on this tour, they didn't need Petty as an excuse, so there goes that as well.

But, having said that, I'm sure the aforementioned financial rewards did play a role in the process (even though they don't seem to make sense to me) and most of us are left here feeling duped for a huge moneymaker.

dolly rocker

Im sick of this constant whining,, who gives a fuck, If ten club didnt exist youd be going to stub hub and paying 200 for a ticket in the 200's, 17 songs is alot more than most of these poser fucks play in a headlining set. relax everybody vegas is coming soon..

JOEJOEJOE

All I can say is live and learn......we can't change the past, so, next time, if PJ is playing with another headliner, make your decision whether or not to go based on an 80 minute set....who cares if they call it a co-headlining gig, or an opening act gig......substance over form makes sense!

I saw a headlining band last night - Be Your Own Pet - and they played for just about 30 minutes...great energy!

Most deal memos (agreements between band & promoter) state that a legal headlining set is 75 minutes, but every band plays different lengths.

JOEJOEJOE

a8l wrote:

the price has nothing to do with it, people who purchased tickets chose to pay how much they paid, no matter if it was a cool grand or five bucks. This argument is poor.

the fact that a "set" also equals 17 songs is also inaccurate. Plenty of bands play 10 or 12 song sets.

what was wrong was the use of the word "full".

70 minutes, Pearl Jam and Full have nothing in common.

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in other news people have asked why PJ would do these shows???... well it MAY be because they want to tip their caps to TPATH OR it is because these shows are pretty solid moneymakers in what are less populated areas. The venue rent is cut in half, the ticket price was almost doubled, two nights in the same town = big transportation savings. PJ would have struggled selling out two weeknight shows in St Paul witout Petty (and likewise).

PJ has never had a big name opening band on the road with them to help sell tickets which is pretty standard for arena rock acts/jam bands. I always take this into account when looking at summer tour statistics. U2, DMB etc always have household name acts with them.

The bands don't directly pay the rent on the venue...the promoter absorbs all of the costs, and guarantees the bands a fee based on the promoter's estimate of how much they will gross on ticket sales.

brainofPJ

Faceless Man wrote:

It appears the set in St. Paul tonight was 17-18 songs and about 1 hour 20 minutes...I was hoping for 1 hr 45 min, could jam 6-7 more

hehe, you're funny

ICTshockers

I am going to the 1st night of Denver and I plan to have a good time. Money won't make a difference once you hear the first notes of the opener.

drolly

ICTshockers wrote:

I am going to the 1st night of Denver and I plan to have a good time. Money won't make a difference once you hear the first notes of the opener.

Ha, it does when you hear the last notes of the closer....

inmyrvm

pjl44 wrote:

Here we go...

I think it's pretty obvious they'll play a shorter set when they're "co-headlining" rather than "headlining." I certainly can't speak for each individual person, but I think this is pretty much what most people expected. That said, I certainly feel for those who aren't Petty fans and these are the closest shows on this tour.

if it was coheadling, the last band to play would switch every night, this is not happening, way to go 10c

DP13

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

The bands don't directly pay the rent on the venue...the promoter absorbs all of the costs, and guarantees the bands a fee based on the promoter's estimate of how much they will gross on ticket sales.

exactly, and if the venue rent is half then they get paid more, but I am not taking this down this road, PJ obviously has never ever made an attempt to maximize their profits.