Non-Liberal Fans: Conflicted?

unsung

I'm going to look for that on netflix.

brianlux

Being alone in the wilderness is a great experience. Highly recommended (as is learning a lot about it first.)

mikepegg44

At their core, it seems the values of the band members are to promote a sense of community among people. A sense of duty to those who have some kind of inability to take care of themselves and to fight against those that take advantage of that desperation. I believe in the same thing, just seems like I believe in a different ways of solving it. When all you want is a better world, discussion and listening with an open mind is always a better path.

brianlux

mikepegg44 said:

At their core, it seems the values of the band members are to promote a sense of community among people. A sense of duty to those who have some kind of inability to take care of themselves and to fight against those that take advantage of that desperation. I believe in the same thing, just seems like I believe in a different ways of solving it. When all you want is a better world, discussion and listening with an open mind is always a better path.

Its interesting to look at how people do what they do in terms solutions and making the world a better place. My wife told me yesterday that she believes most people do what they do things and think they way they do because they believe they are doing what is best. We were talking about some of our county supervisors who are more in favor of supporting developers that they are supporting our dwindling small farmers because they believe that the result of developing will bring in more money to the county than farming. The problem, she says, is in not seeing the logical consequences of actions- short term gain vs long term. I'm not as convinced that everyone does what they do for the common good, but I think she is right on about the importance of looking at long-term consequences.

I also agree with you, mikepegg, that discussion and listening with an open mind are very important. That's one of the things I like about AMT.

Pingfah

Non liberal fans cannot afford to be conflicted, the number of substantially Conservative rock bands is dwarfed by the number of liberally slanted acts. The whole entertainment industry has a massive bias towards liberal politics.

Of course it doesn't help that the most noticeably conservative musicians are also total fucking whackjobs, like Ted Nugent.

unsung

And the most liberal are the biggest hypocrites.

osteoblastic

I can 100% get onboard with the nature /Natural spirit aspect of PJ/Ed. Bits of it show up in even the most unlikely of songs. And I love it. I wonder sometimes whether Ed isn't secretly a pagan or druid, for how much inspiration and spiritual guidance he seems to get from the natural world and the Earth at large.

For me, that actually outweighs any political support I may disagree with (and what most often unites me with those of other political gradations).

brianlux

osteoblastic said:

I can 100% get onboard with the nature /Natural spirit aspect of PJ/Ed. Bits of it show up in even the most unlikely of songs. And I love it. I wonder sometimes whether Ed isn't secretly a pagan or druid, for how much inspiration and spiritual guidance he seems to get from the natural world and the Earth at large.

For me, that actually outweighs any political support I may disagree with (and what most often unites me with those of other political gradations).

Same here. I really dig the nature connection of PJ- and not just Ed either. Stone is very environmentally focused. I'm guessing the other guys have a lot of nature/Natural spirit as well. It's no wonder they've gravitated toward Neil Young over the years.

As for hypocrites- we all are to some extent. If we were totally nature oriented we would not have computers and would live tribally. But as long as we live in an electronic world I'm ok with being a part of this Electric Tribe.

unsung

It's not just environmental, my focus was on self defense.

rgambs

self defense or gun rights? lol the planet goes to shit and people are starving, war is everywhere but gun access is the only thing some people care about......GET OVER IT ALREADY! jeeesh talk about small beans

rgambs

self defense or gun rights? lol the planet goes to shit and people are starving, war is everywhere but gun access is the only thing some people care about......GET OVER IT ALREADY! jeeesh talk about small beans

unsung

I don't feel that way at all, nice job at painting an untrue picture.

brianlux

unsung said:

It's not just environmental, my focus was on self defense.

Let's hear about how liberals are hypocritical about self defense. I'm really curious about what you mean there.

unsung

Quite easily, those that are the strong anti-gunners are also those that can afford armed protection services. They have armed bodyguards because of their wealth, I don't have the funds to have one for myself, so I need to take care of my family. They want to take that away from me.

unsung

http://m.rollingstone.com/politics/news/confessions-of-a-liberal-gun-lover-20140714

brianlux

unsung said:

Quite easily, those that are the strong anti-gunners are also those that can afford armed protection services. They have armed bodyguards because of their wealth, I don't have the funds to have one for myself, so I need to take care of my family. They want to take that away from me.

Wow, unsung. I mean seriously, wow. I'll have to fire my goons who didn't prevent me from getting punched in the head. It's hard to get good help these days.

unsung

I think you understand what I mean, the Rosie Odonnells, Michael moores, the rich that want to disarm but have their own armed hired guns.

callen

unsung said:

I think you understand what I mean, the Rosie Odonnells, Michael moores, the rich that want to disarm but have their own armed hired guns.

Well under the current everyone can easily get a gun, they need protection. It's the gun culture, rightly or not, that puts them in this position due to assets and fame. Not fair comparison. Hope I again made you smile.

unsung

They are no better than you or I. They don't have a higher need for self defense than anyone else.

brianlux

unsung said:

I think you understand what I mean, the Rosie Odonnells, Michael moores, the rich that want to disarm but have their own armed hired guns.

Yes but the only problem is that you said "liberals are hypocritical on self-defense", not "the very to super rich and/or famous liberals are hypocritical on self-defense".

And lets ask, just how hypocritical are those who are in the spotlight and more likely to be targeted? Do we want all famous people walling up their houses with concrete blocks and sneaking around unguarded? I don't see the need for the average Joe or Jane Doe to walk around with a gun. I don't see how that will reduce violence. But I do see the need for famous people I admire to be well guarded. I don't see that as hypocritical. I see it as being sensible and logical because they are far more likely to be target wherever they go than you or I. I don't see it as hypocritical that Neil Young uses 50 times more fuel than I do to reach 50 million times more people than I do about the message of global warming. I don't find that in the least bit hypocritical. I actually find it economical.

Maybe you'd consider rephrasing your statement because really, I don't get why you would say the average liberal is hypocritical about self defense or environment- at least not any more than any of us are hypocritical about anything. A while back a certain Mr. DS made the sure point that we're all at least a little hypocritical.