Non-Liberal Fans: Conflicted?

osteoblastic

callen said:

osteoblastic said:

callen said:

The word "Liberal" isn't a bad word.

Never said it was. I just said I don't call myself one in the political sense. I'm pretty "liberal" in a lot of other ways.

Right. You told us of how your a liberal with your positions then let us know your not one. Plus there are social and physical liberals. Many lean different ways depending which one.
Hey welcome to the Train and get used to some flak if you continue to post. Some of our other non- liberal liberals could use the support.

Non-liberal liberals? I'm definitely of the mind that the whole dang thing is like a disconnected "O" where if you go in one direction long enough or the other, the world would tend to look pretty similar either way (extreme anarcho-capitalism vs. extreme anarcho-communism). And then there's those who flop all over the spectrum depending on the topic (like most people).

Thanks for the welcome. I can tell by brianlux's other posts around here where he(she) sits on the general spectrum of ideology, so I won't get too hurt by the flak there- it's to be expected. Glad I'm not the only one though, even if it's a minority

BinFrog

osteoblastic said:

BinFrog said:

osteoblastic said:

So, knowing that PJ and I disagree on something, because I view them as relatively intelligent people, sets off the part of my brain that wonders why there's a difference.

because there's no 1 right way to be intelligent.

Yes, you're definitely right there too. And being intelligent in certain outwardly visible ways doesn't mean being intelligent in others. There are areas of intelligence where I'm completely worthless (and I ain't saying I'm a jedi master at political science, either). Mostly, like I said, it would just be totally cool to sit down and have a conversation with them about worldviews and such.

And don't confuse intelligence with knowledge. I know several unbelievably smart yet generally useless people.

mrussel1

Hey -did you mean fiscal/financial liberals? I don't follow physical liberals.

osteoblastic

mrussel1 said:

But I hate when someone says, "shut and play". That's BS. I want to hear an artist's opinion if it is what inspires him/her.

Totally. Whether I agree with whatever it is or not. If that's what's behind one of my favorite songs, how could I be totally disinterested in the inspiration behind it? Even if I disagree, it could start a great conversation (in my head or with others).

BinFrog

mrussel1 said:

I don't follow physical liberals.

they are liberals that make you turn your head and cough

unsung

brianlux said:

osteoblastic said:

brianlux said:

PJ "advocates for increased centralized control and the threat/use of force by one group over others"? What? Interesting notion- sorry but that almost made me laugh.

Did you think laws are just enforced by people saying "please"? If you disobey the government long enough, you have people with guns show up at your door, regardless of how non-violently you disobeyed whatever law. See: tax evasion, for example. And why do they bring guns? Because you have to come with them "or else." There's always the threat of violence when the government makes a law. That's, ultimately, the only way they can get everyone to follow them.

So, wanting a law for this and a law for that means another circumstance where the government has to enforce a law, in other words another situation that could end with armed police at your door/business. Wanting more laws means you're ok with the possibility that someone will use a gun to enforce that law. If you don't know that, maybe you shouldn't be voting :(

Facepalm.

Brian, does something else take place? Do they bring you flowers or do they kidnap you and put you in a cage?

osteoblastic

BinFrog said:

mrussel1 said:

I don't follow physical liberals.

they are liberals that make you turn your head and cough

Awkward XD

unsung

brianlux said:

You guys do realize this thread will be locked, right?

Why? I haven't seen a personal attack and it is staying on topic.

osteoblastic

unsung said:

Brian, does something else take place? Do they bring you flowers or do they kidnap you and put you in a cage?

Well, sometimes they shoot your dog instead... The number of such incidences I've seen in the last several years is kind of disturbing.

unsung

callen said:

osteoblastic said:

callen said:

The word "Liberal" isn't a bad word.

Never said it was. I just said I don't call myself one in the political sense. I'm pretty "liberal" in a lot of other ways.

Right. You told us of how your a liberal with your positions then let us know your not one. Plus there are social and physical liberals. Many lean different ways depending which one.
Hey welcome to the Train and get used to some flak if you continue to post. Some of our other non- liberal liberals could use the support.

There's like three of us, still can't drive me out! You guys will come around one day, I did.

I'm unsung and I'm an ex-democrat.

BinFrog

osteoblastic said:

unsung said:

Brian, does something else take place? Do they bring you flowers or do they kidnap you and put you in a cage?

Well, sometimes they shoot your dog instead... The number of such incidences I've seen in the last several years is kind of disturbing.

It's not something that is increasing in occurrences over the years. It's increasing in media exposure. Much like shark attacks.

osteoblastic

unsung said:

There's like three of us, still can't drive me out! You guys will come around one day, I did.
I'm unsung and I'm an ex-democrat.

*chorus ala AA meetings* Hi unsung!

Maybe ex-democrat would be the most accurate way to describe myself as well. Though, that's an AWFULLY wide category. Make that 4 people now

bootlegger10

I was wondering how this thread got 30 responses is such a short time....

osteoblastic

BinFrog said:

osteoblastic said:

unsung said:

Brian, does something else take place? Do they bring you flowers or do they kidnap you and put you in a cage?

Well, sometimes they shoot your dog instead... The number of such incidences I've seen in the last several years is kind of disturbing.

It's not something that is increasing in occurrences over the years. It's increasing in media exposure. Much like shark attacks.

Well, that may certainly be true. Let me put it another way- The fact that it happens at all when dogs aren't actively lunging at anyone is disturbing period.

osteoblastic

bootlegger10 said:

I was wondering how this thread got 30 responses is such a short time....

Upset some people, maybe. Plus, I'm a prolific responder when I'm actually at my computer (which is rare).

BinFrog

osteoblastic said:

Let me put it another way- The fact that it happens at all when dogs aren't actively lunging at anyone is disturbing period.

I agree in theory. But you also have to take into consideration that there are always 2 sides to every story. Some no doubt were completely fucked up, 100% undeserved shootings. But what about those cases of where the "victim" is completely lying and trying to play up the sympathy card? It's their word against the cop's, and the media loves a good defenseless shooting story...even if it's a lie.

osteoblastic

BinFrog said:

I agree in theory. But you also have to take into consideration that there are always 2 sides to every story. Some no doubt were completely fucked up, 100% undeserved shootings. But what about those cases of where the "victim" is completely lying and trying to play up the sympathy card? It's their word against the cop's, and the media loves a good defenseless shooting story...even if it's a lie.

Oh I don't believe any crap like that if there's no video. I've met a lot of people that get the cops called on them, and there can be all kinds of shenanigans coming out of their mouths. It's totally an emotional response, though, as someone with dogs in their family. I'll own up to that

callen

bootlegger10 said:

I was wondering how this thread got 30 responses is such a short time....

Ha. Thought same thing.

Attacked our band and their views man. Can't have that. I kid.

Oh yeah it's fiscal conservative not physical. DUH. Can't even blame that on spell check.

Funny Osteo asked for conservative input and all the Hippies attacked. Fresh blood.

Thank goodness Unsung came to rescue.

callen

unsung said:

callen said:

osteoblastic said:

callen said:

The word "Liberal" isn't a bad word.

Never said it was. I just said I don't call myself one in the political sense. I'm pretty "liberal" in a lot of other ways.

Right. You told us of how your a liberal with your positions then let us know your not one. Plus there are social and physical liberals. Many lean different ways depending which one.
Hey welcome to the Train and get used to some flak if you continue to post. Some of our other non- liberal liberals could use the support.

There's like three of us, still can't drive me out! You guys will come around one day, I did.

I'm unsung and I'm an ex-democrat.

Do try to be open minded and have seen you sway a bit yourself.

osteoblastic

callen said:

bootlegger10 said:

I was wondering how this thread got 30 responses is such a short time....

Ha. Thought same thing.

Attacked our band and their views man. Can't have that. I kid.

Oh yeah it's fiscal conservative not physical. DUH. Can't even blame that on spell check.

Funny Osteo asked for conservative input and all the Hippies attacked. Fresh blood.

Thank goodness Unsung came to rescue.

I was thinking there might be more out there when I posted. Apparently me and unsung can just PM I don't know all who else.

I'd be fine with starting as fiscal conservative. Definitely Not a social conservative. Not sure where I fall on the gun thing either. That thread(s) is interesting...