America's Gun Violence

davidtrios

Syed Farook was one of the shooters. I'm shocked, I thought for sure it would've been some guy named Sol Rosenthal.

Cliffy6745

davidtrios said:

Syed Farook was one of the shooters. I'm shocked, I thought for sure it would've been some guy named Sol Rosenthal.

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Gern Blansten

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/gunned-down/

This is a great documentary. It provides a lot of detail behind the NRA from when it was formed to the present when it is a massive lobbying group buying up politicians so that gun manufacturers sell guns.

Keep in mind that recent polls of NRA members reflect that those members favor stronger gun laws and background checks.

polaris_x

tempo_n_groove said:

Soooo. What can we do to fix it? I'm sure this question has been asked countless times on here.

Do we remove all guns from people like in Australia?

Do we make it extremely difficult to own one like Canada?

Do we start changing the gun culture?

Do we limit the amount of violence on TV?

Can people post answers?

I'm really curious.

it's not fixable ... it's the world we've allowed to happen ... all in the name of greed ...

this isn't about gun laws, terrorism, video games or tv ... it's about the evil in people who recognize that people are so easily manipulated ... they play russian roulette with our lives daily and the only ones who will suffer are the masses ...

14 people died yesterday because 3 people were driven to kill these people for reasons we don't really know ... these lives didn't matter to these people ... just as the lives of all of us don't matter ... we may be focused on the innocent people in recent tragedies like Paris and in California ... but this is the harsh reality of the world we live in ... your life, my life, most people's lives here don't matter in the grand scheme of things to the people that are most responsible for these crimes ... they aren't christian or muslim or white or black ... they are people who's greed supersedes everything ...

BS44325

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

Gern Blansten

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

BS44325

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

dignin

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

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jnimhaoileoin said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

Cliffy6745 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

Smellyman said:

BS44325 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Remember when elementary school kids got mowed down at school and nothing ever happened? Yeah, me too.

We will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again.

I wish horrible horrible deaths on everyone involved with the gun lobby. I am sure this will go over very well with many but the lobby has so much blood on their hands.

So if I read this right you don't like the gun lobby?

You are correct.

So your solution to end senseless killing is wish horrible deaths on all involved in the gun lobby?

It really is outrageous. It wouldn't be ok if someone said "planned parenthood has a lot of blood on their hands so I wish horrible horrible deaths on they're employees" so I'm not sure why this is ok.

That is actually said quite a bit by those on the right.

No actually...it isn't.

No, it isn't. I don't think I have ever seen an anti-abortionist here on the boards say anything like that, and I think only the fringe far-right think that. Yes, they exist, but they're fanaticals. Saying it happens quite a bit on the right is not fair.
(But I am thinking maybe Cliffy was just being emotional in reaction to yet another shooting and didn't mean what he said literally)

I'm thinking you are probably correct, that's not to say I don't think they aren't repulsive and horrible human beings.

They are horrible, and complicit.

Ahhh...so now you're ok with the concept of being complicit. Interesting.

Oh? You really want to bring the BDS stuff up here? Still waiting for that evidence

Please don't start that shite up again! Clearly not relevant to this thread

I agree, not relevant at all, someone is trying to make it relevant. One track mind.

Please...you brought up complicity. I am just pointing out your inconsistencies.

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

>1 mass shooting (4 or more dead or injured) for every day so far this year.

I don't want your hunting rifles but, for gods sake, could we do some background checks and keep people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns?

it's all about the motherfucking NRA lobby and the politicians who lack the spine to say no.

Do we know if any of the murderers were on a watch list? Why shout when you don't have the facts.

Oh the hypocrisy, you just posted on the other thread that this was most likely Islamic terrorists.

Or is that a fact?

The news is saying fact but zero discussion of whether suspects were on a watch list.

Link?

Gern Blansten

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

I'm not speaking that way....I'm just pointing out that the argument of how strong CA guns laws are (or aren't) makes no difference when there aren't national gun laws.

Cliffy6745

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

I'm not speaking that way....I'm just pointing out that the argument of how strong CA guns laws are (or aren't) makes no difference when there aren't national gun laws.

When guns can be purchased at flea markets in other states... you are correct.

Gern Blansten

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

I'm not speaking that way....I'm just pointing out that the argument of how strong CA guns laws are (or aren't) makes no difference when there aren't national gun laws.

When guns can be purchased at flea markets in other states... you are correct.

exactly....the right is always yapping about Chicago's gun laws yet anyone can buy a gun in Gary, IN and drive it to Chicago. Give me a break.

jnimhaoileoin

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

Can't believe the UK is lower than us! I find this a little unlikely?

Cliffy6745

jnimhaoileoin said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

Can't believe the UK is lower than us! I find this a little unlikely?

jnimhaoileoin said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

Can't believe the UK is lower than us! I find this a little unlikely?

I think this chart is only 1 year. Maybe that's it?

jnimhaoileoin

Cliffy6745 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

Can't believe the UK is lower than us! I find this a little unlikely?

jnimhaoileoin said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Gern Blansten said:

BS44325 said:

California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.

France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!

Can't believe the UK is lower than us! I find this a little unlikely?

I think this chart is only 1 year. Maybe that's it?

Guess we had a bad year so! Or else I'm in denial

2-feign-reluctance

josevolution said:

90 people die every single day because of gun violence in America ...

Nobody is denying that or isn't aware of that. Care and concern about guns are not only shared when there are mass shootings. Obviously you need only turn on the news every night to see that guns are a big, big problem.

2-feign-reluctance

These mass shootings make fear driven gun owners cling to their guns more.

josevolution

I'm beyond looking for answers to this mess I'm resigned that for as long as o live here in this country I'll have to be vigilant of my sorroundings , once in ready to retire and kids are independent of me I'm getting the fuck out of here .....that's if I don't get killed by one of the mass shooters that happen every week ....

BS44325

While larger shootings might be on the rise gun violence as a whole is actually on the decline:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/?tid=sm_tw

If we know why general violence is decreasing with the same access to guns we should be asking ourselves why mass shootings are increasing.
The simple reasons are lack of treatment for mental health, terrorism, and 24 hour news coverage i.e. we occasionally make celebrities of both the mentally ill shooter as well as the Islamist. Before we confiscate guns maybe we should stop putting terrorists on the cover of the Rolling Stone.

dudeman

There you go!