America's Gun Violence

mickeyrat

How about the one where the 12 yr old boy shot his 11 yr old class mate and killed her. Did ya hear that one?

dudeman

That's fucked up.

dudeman

dudeman said:

Anyone heard of the new survey that says the majority of Americans oppose a new "assault weapons" ban?

Here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-doubt-us-can-stop-lone-wolf-attacks-poll-finds/2015/12/16/bfcaa102-a3ba-11e5-ad3f-991ce3374e23_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_poll-710am:homepage/story

Gern Blansten

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/florida-mom-shoots-daughter-dead-after-mistaking-her-for-an-intruder/

This type of killing will become more prevalent the more we use the "good guy with a gun" excuse

PJ_Soul

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/florida-mom-shoots-daughter-dead-after-mistaking-her-for-an-intruder/

This type of killing will become more prevalent the more we use the "good guy with a gun" excuse

Agreed.

dudeman

Or the less people eschew the notion of actually knowing what they're shooting at before reaching for the trigger. Knowing your target and what's behind it is absolutely critical.

More people with guns that shouldn't have them.

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/florida-mom-shoots-daughter-dead-after-mistaking-her-for-an-intruder/

This type of killing will become more prevalent the more we use the "good guy with a gun" excuse

Dudeman touched on this too. It's like in hunting, you SEE what you are shooting at...

Gern Blansten

dudeman said:

Or the less people eschew the notion of actually knowing what they're shooting at before reaching for the trigger. Knowing your target and what's behind it is absolutely critical.

More people with guns that shouldn't have them.

That only comes with experience or training. The idea that "good guys" need guns is dangerous. Unless you advocate federal regulations that require licensing/training, etc. like you have to do for a driver's license (at a minimum)

dudeman

Funny, I thought it came with common sense. To fire a weapon at something or someone that has not been identified is beyond stupid behavior.

I hope that the woman in the story was arrested and is facing criminal charges.

joseph33

If its a non violent crime,absolutely. Some guy who gets busted with an oz has just a right to defend his life as you or me. The justice system is broke because law breakers are grouped as a whole and not separate according to the crime. Assault weapons isnt the problem. Its not doing a thourogh background check.

rgambs

dudeman said:

Funny, I thought it came with common sense. To fire a weapon at something or someone that has not been identified is beyond stupid behavior.

I hope that the woman in the story was arrested and is facing criminal charges.

Common sense doesn't exist in "emergency" situations. Without training, 9 out of 10 people will panic and do something stupid when they think they are in danger.

dudeman

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

Funny, I thought it came with common sense. To fire a weapon at something or someone that has not been identified is beyond stupid behavior.

I hope that the woman in the story was arrested and is facing criminal charges.

Common sense doesn't exist in "emergency" situations. Without training, 9 out of 10 people will panic and do something stupid when they think they are in danger.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

eddiec

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

Funny, I thought it came with common sense. To fire a weapon at something or someone that has not been identified is beyond stupid behavior.

I hope that the woman in the story was arrested and is facing criminal charges.

Common sense doesn't exist in "emergency" situations. Without training, 9 out of 10 people will panic and do something stupid when they think they are in danger.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

This is why soldiers train. This is why pilots train. Police train. Athletes train.
So when you are placed in these intense situations the training takes over. All of those four professions would 100% agree on that and often state it publicly. You take an average person and put them in an intense situation where their gun is needed and most will make mistakes.

mickeyrat

interesting stat here...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mickeyrat said:

interesting stat here...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/

Soooo traaaaain the kids.

If all the kids had guns... when another kid was pointing a gun at them... they could shoot the kid before the kid 'accidentally' shot them.

It's that simple.

dudeman

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

interesting stat here...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/

Soooo traaaaain the kids.

If all the kids had guns... when another kid was pointing a gun at them... they could shoot the kid before the kid 'accidentally' shot them.

It's that simple.

Or don't leave guns unattended and accessible to kids. People who allow kids access to firearms thus resulting in someone getting hurt should be investigated, arrested and tried. There is no excuse for that degree of negligence.

rgambs

dudeman said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

interesting stat here...
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/

Soooo traaaaain the kids.

If all the kids had guns... when another kid was pointing a gun at them... they could shoot the kid before the kid 'accidentally' shot them.

It's that simple.

Or don't leave guns unattended and accessible to kids. People who allow kids access to firearms thus resulting in someone getting hurt should be investigated, arrested and tried. There is no excuse for that degree of negligence.

Securing weapons against children makes them useless for self-defense unless you live with your gun strapped to you skin.

dudeman

That's not true.

There are plenty of quick access safes on the market. Some use biometric locks. Some others open with an RFID card or fob.

A gun locked in one of those can be accessed in about two seconds.

rgambs

dudeman said:

That's not true.

There are plenty of quick access safes on the market. Some use biometric locks. I've seen others that open with an RFID card or fob.

A gun locked in one of those can be accessed in about two seconds.

An RFID or fob would allow a child to access it in the same number of seconds. Biometric locks??? Yeah right, might as well say people could use a robot to defend their home for them, that's just as likely to be used widely.

dudeman

You clearly haven't researched what responsible people are using to secure their firearms. Biometric locks are quite common on gun safes these days.

One would also be an idiot if they left their RFID gun safe key lying about where kids could find it.

PJ_Soul

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rgambs

dudeman said:

You clearly haven't researched what responsible people are using to secure their firearms. Biometric locks are quite common on gun safes these days.

One would also be an idiot if they left their RFID gun safe key lying about where kids could find it.

Do you have one? I know dozens of folks with guns and none of them have or even want (to my knowledge) one.
Unless you have it secured a child can get into it, kids get into everything possible. If it is secured it is useless.

Stickman12

dudeman said:

You clearly haven't researched what responsible people are using to secure their firearms. Biometric locks are quite common on gun safes these days.

One would also be an idiot if they left their RFID gun safe key lying about where kids could find it.

I have a 16 gun safe where most of my guns stay and a biometric safe in the bedroom for easy access if needed. I know quite a few people who have them and love them for their ease of use and convenience. Not trying to argue or be controversial just adding my input. Have no experience with the rfid safes

dudeman

I have biometric and RFID safes and the guys I shoot with that have kids in the house do too.

For me, it's a necessary purchase just like electrical outlet covers, child safety gates and door knob locks.

Stickman12

dudeman said:

I have biometric and RFID safes and the guys I shoot with that have kids in the house do too.

For me, it's a necessary purchase just like electrical outlet covers, child safety gates and door knob locks.

These safes are great even if you don't use them for guns. With the ease of use, it is convenient to put documents, jewelry or any other valuables that will fit.

tempo_n_groove

dudeman said:

I have biometric and RFID safes and the guys I shoot with that have kids in the house do too.

For me, it's a necessary purchase just like electrical outlet covers, child safety gates and door knob locks.

I was always taught to "NOT TOUCH THEM EVER!!!" and I didn't.

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

dudeman said:

I have biometric and RFID safes and the guys I shoot with that have kids in the house do too.

For me, it's a necessary purchase just like electrical outlet covers, child safety gates and door knob locks.

I was always taught to "NOT TOUCH THEM EVER!!!" and I didn't.

Right. And every year hundreds of thousands of kids are taught the same thing, and given the opportunity most do touch them, and a not insignificant number shoot themselves or someone else.

dudeman

tempo_n_groove said:

dudeman said:

I have biometric and RFID safes and the guys I shoot with that have kids in the house do too.

For me, it's a necessary purchase just like electrical outlet covers, child safety gates and door knob locks.

I was always taught to "NOT TOUCH THEM EVER!!!" and I didn't.

I was taught the same thing but my parents were smart enough to make sure that there were never guns just lying around.

Safe gun storage practice is a serious thing and in my house, it involves education, attentiveness and using the right equipment.

dudeman

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dudeman said:

I have biometric and RFID safes and the guys I shoot with that have kids in the house do too.

For me, it's a necessary purchase just like electrical outlet covers, child safety gates and door knob locks.

I was always taught to "NOT TOUCH THEM EVER!!!" and I didn't.

Right. And every year hundreds of thousands of kids are taught the same thing, and given the opportunity most do touch them, and a not insignificant number shoot themselves or someone else.

This is a problem for sure. People who leave guns where kids can find them should be investigated, arrested and tried in court.

dudeman

Are Obama's executive actions going to drive the gun violence numbers down?