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America's Gun Violence

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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,705
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,652
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 18,652
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.- Hemingway
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,705
    edited March 22
    Not confirmed yet but supposedly 6 dead including a police officer.
    Hope its not anyone I know

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  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 4,356
    edited March 23
    'Thoughts and Prayers'

    'Nothing can be done'

    GQP
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,996
    edited March 23
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,623
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,938
    And well, domestic abusers should have access to firearms, right? Its the "responsible" thing to do because someone who hits their partner, certainly wouldn't shoot them, right? From NYT:

    • The House voted to renew the Violence Against Women Act. Senate Republicans object to new provisions that would make it harder for domestic abusers to buy guns.
    I would agree with this taken into context just the way it is.  There must be more red tape attached to it though?

    Once something gets written into law it is really hard to undo it and I'm pretty sure that is what the big picture is about.  Shitty answer and not what you want to hear, I will look further into it.
    I want less red tape as much as the next guy.
    However, when it comes to buying guns there has to be a way to curtail the impulse buying. The depressed or the pissed off or need to rob a bank type of people need to have brakes put on their ability to walk into a store and walk out with a gun.
    Or go to a gun show or any other legit means of purchasing a firearm.
    Impulse buying.  I am going to ask how many crimes are committed from Impulse buying?  As for a waiting period I don't have a problem but I would like to keep person to person sales legal.
    i would tend to agree. Most of these, I'd argue, are planned over the course of several days to weeks to months, depending on the incident. I don't know if I've heard of any of these mass shooting sprees that started with a guy walking into a gun shop and the same day the spree happens. 
    You mean like the Asian shooter?
    yes. I didn't know when I posted that, and since corrected myself, that that is exactly what happened. I still say it's not the norm, but I was surprised to learn that it happened right around when I made that comment. 

    i'm not against waiting periods to make sure all the proper checks are done. i was just saying I didn't know how effective it was at "cooling down" a potential incident. 

    now I know. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,705
    Boulder up to 10 killed including the police officer
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 20,884
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,715
    Hey he had a bad day cut the guy some slack, haven’t any of you had a bad day and just got your rifle and take out the folks who were responsible for your bad day? 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 7,927
    It was kind of nice while it lasted. At least covid had kept mass shootings down, but it's back to business as usual. It's only a matter of time before there's a school shooting now.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 8,249
    A mass shooting in Colorado and a mass shooting a week earlier ... things are back to normal in the good USA.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,996
    edited March 23
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
    Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.
    I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
    But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 17,605
    Tamir Rice was just playing in the park, and an officer exited his vehicle for what seems less than five seconds and murdered the child at pretty much point blank range. 

    I don’t think Tamir Rice was old enough to even know what the words “resisting arrest” mean. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 26,558
    dankind said:
    Tamir Rice was just playing in the park, and an officer exited his vehicle for what seems less than five seconds and murdered the child at pretty much point blank range. 

    I don’t think Tamir Rice was old enough to even know what the words “resisting arrest” mean. 
    Didn't that kid have what looked like a real gun though?  I wouldn't say it was for no reason.  It ended up being the wrong reason.
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,940
    dankind said:
    Tamir Rice was just playing in the park, and an officer exited his vehicle for what seems less than five seconds and murdered the child at pretty much point blank range. 

    I don’t think Tamir Rice was old enough to even know what the words “resisting arrest” mean. 
    Also this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

    And these are just the ones we have video of. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 24,715
    Simple enough fix do all your shopping on line curbside pick up, no more going to supermarket or malls besides all the C19 anti vaccine idiots it’s best to just stay away from humans at all costs lol what a great country it once was! But don’t kneel for the precious anthem 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 8,249
    Simple enough fix do all your shopping on line curbside pick up, no more going to supermarket or malls besides all the C19 anti vaccine idiots it’s best to just stay away from humans at all costs lol what a great country it once was! But don’t kneel for the precious anthem 
    Just stay at home...

    never go out...

    lol.  Freedom.


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,623
    How about sleeping in their bed? Does that count? Or does it have to be quietly waiting by their car after murdering people? 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,705
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
    Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.
    I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
    But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
    He wasn't  sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point. 
    Or will you?
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,504
    Imagine believing in 2021 that systemic racism doesn't exist in America, specifically in America's police forces? 

  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,996
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
    Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.
    I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
    But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
    He wasn't  sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point. 
    Or will you?
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
    In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”
    So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree. 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 8,705
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
    Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.
    I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
    But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
    He wasn't  sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point. 
    Or will you?
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
    In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”
    So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree. 
    My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.
    And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,996
    edited March 23
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
    Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.
    I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
    But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
    He wasn't  sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point. 
    Or will you?
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
    In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”
    So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree. 
    My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.
    And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
    So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was reversed, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident. 
    That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. Saying that cops don't go around and executing random black people for no reason every day is not saying there is not a race issue and that there are not unjustified shootings. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,996
    We know almost nothing about this King Sooper shooter. The last I heard the police would not even confirm the guy covered in blood and lead away in handcuffs was even the suspect. They would not confirm if he was injured. So we don't know what happen. To be out here already saying "if he was black...." its just playing the race card way too early. Maybe he was shot multiple times and just got lucky vital organs were missed. Or maybe he had body armor. Or maybe he was shot in the head and was non fatal. So why are some of you already playing the race card on this when there are almost zero facts out?
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 17,605
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
    Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.
    I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
    But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
    He wasn't  sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point. 
    Or will you?
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
    In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”
    So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree. 
    My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.
    And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
    So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was the same, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident. 
    That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
    Pretty much what happened to Tamir Rice (not a head shot). The patrol car didn't even come to a complete stop before shots were fired at a child.

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 5,996
    dankind said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
    Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.
    I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
    But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
    He wasn't  sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point. 
    Or will you?
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
    In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”
    So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree. 
    My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.
    And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
    So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was the same, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident. 
    That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
    Pretty much what happened to Tamir Rice (not a head shot). The patrol car didn't even come to a complete stop before shots were fired at a child.

    I played with very real looking toy guns all the time in very public places -- hell, some even were real guns (of the BB and pellet variety) -- but somehow, I was never murdered for it. 
    Yes, and that's already been discussed by me and others. Profiling probably did play a role in why the cop didn't wait. That shooting was sad and wrong. But there is a huge difference between executing someone who you believe to be unarmed and has already given up, and rushing to false judgement.
  • dignindignin Posts: 8,940
    mace1229 said:
    dankind said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    honest question. why was he not shot dead? police kill unarmed people all the time. but this guy gets to walk out of there. i am so fucking sick of it.
    It seems like these often either end in suicide or without incident. Like the Aurora theater shooter, was found unarmed by his car awaiting police I believe. I don’t know if that is what happened here, but if it is, you can’t expect police to go shoot someone in the head no matter what they just did.

    tell that to the black community
    Can you share a story where a black person , while sitting quietly, was shot in t head? That was the question here, why was he not shot in the head. Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest. That doesn’t mean it was okay or that I’m defending the police in those cases. Just saying there’s a difference between that and someone like James Holmes who sat quietly and awaited arrest.
    I don’t know what happened here, the last press conference I heard the police wouldn’t even say if the shooter was injured or not. And my response was based on previous shooters who gave themselves up before police even arrived. If you can provide a single story where instead of trying to make an arrest that lead to a struggle, the police just shot a black man in the head without an incident then I’m wrong here.
    But if this shooter had given himself up, black or white, you can’t honestly expect police to just walk up and shoot him in the head at the scene as was suggested.
    He wasn't  sitting down and he wasn't shot in the head but you get the point. 
    Or will you?
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-life-prison-sentence-killing-college-campus-75260753
    In the topic of why wasn’t he shot in the head, no I don’t get the point. And he was seated and apparently unarmed. “ Urbanski then pocketed the knife and sat down on a bench until police arrived and arrested him at the bus stop.”
    So I’m not sure what this has to do with this conversation? Are you expecting police to just walk up and shoot him in the head? Do you think that would be the case if the races were reversed? If that was your point then I have to strongly disagree. 
    My posting of he article was that a white guy killed an innocent black guy who was waiting for a bus on campus.
    And of course the UMCP didn't kill the white guy.
    So you think the police should have just walked up behind him and shot him in the head, even though he had put the knife away and was seated and gave himself up without incident? Or do you think if the scenario was the same, if he was black, they would have done that? They would not have just walked up and shot a black man in the back of the head who appeared to be unarmed without any incident. 
    That does not mean there aren't issues with race and police. The other examples given, Tamir Rice and Philando, the cop thought he was armed or going for a weapon. Those shootings were still wrong, and I'm guessing if they were white the cop would have waited the extra 2 seconds it would have taken to see it was not a gun. But going from there to saying police just walk up to black people and shoot them in the head is a huge jump, a jump that I can't agree with. And if were true, then how do we explain the tens of thousands of blacks that overcrowd the jails if they are just executed on the spot for no reason?
    Pretty much what happened to Tamir Rice (not a head shot). The patrol car didn't even come to a complete stop before shots were fired at a child.

    I played with very real looking toy guns all the time in very public places -- hell, some even were real guns (of the BB and pellet variety) -- but somehow, I was never murdered for it. 
    Yes, and that's already been discussed by me and others. Profiling probably did play a role in why the cop didn't wait. That shooting was sad and wrong. But there is a huge difference between executing someone who you believe to be unarmed and has already given up, and rushing to false judgement.
    "Every incident of an unarmed black man getting killed was escalated through resisting arrest."

    This statement is completely false.
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