America's Gun Violence
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I agree too...oftenreading said:
At this point I agree.HughFreakingDillon said:you guys are being trolled. seriously. no one can be honestly making this kind of argument.
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None of you pro-gun guys can provide a reasonable answer/argument?my2hands said:Again.....
Why does any civilian NEED an AR 15 or similar weapon, and how does it benefit society?
What good are AR 15's bringing America????
Im trying to figure out why guys are clinging to these weapons like their childhood blankie
Nothing? Turn on the news is all you got?
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Im aware of it's origin, and the irony... but its also a term used to mean that we won't surrender and that's what I got from it... not the shirt I would pick, but maybe that's her Interpretation and reason for wearing it, who knows?PJPOWER said:
Of course in America the pro gun crowd has turned into a war cry to keep their silly guns
Pretty sure Michigan State football used it before as well? I could be wrong about that but I have a few friends that are Michigan fans so I think I remember it?
Either way, Unsung is only good for posting stupid pictures he thinks somehow discredit an issue or movement...
So again, back to the discussion, why does a civilian NEED an AR 15? What good are they doing American society? Try posting some words, not a lame picture.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487I don't require a need to own them.0 -
this is ironically, and sadly, a typical western capitalist response.unsung said:I don't require a need to own them.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
You have true statements mixed with untrue here.mace1229 said:
I would think, as any company would, gun manufactures create based on demand. The demand isn't created by simply making more guns, but more guns are made because the demand is there.mrussel1 said:
That can be true, it's just one step ahead in the process. I have no data to analyze 'gun culture'. That's fairly subjective. Manufacturing is driven by demand. That's quantifiable.mace1229 said:
Are you suggesting that more guns made in the US causes more shootings?mrussel1 said:
The axis doesn't show, but this is 86 to 2015 from the ATF. Someone want to tell me it's just correlation not causation? Or is it possible the wave of violence we have seen over the past decade + is related to the volume?
Why can't it be the other way? Increased guns manufactured is caused by an increase in gun culture? And an increase in gun culture causes more shootings?
And yes, I do not think it's correlation, I think it's causation.
Therefore making fewer guns wouldn't suddenly diminish this demand, since the demand exists for another reason other than simply more guns being manufactured.
I actually believe the spike is caused by something else; Obama.
He was farther left than other presidents before him, so people thought gun restrictions were going in increase and it set the trend of "buy your guns now while you can."
It's not his fault, but that's what happened. Particularly in liberal states like California. I haven't lived there for several years, but I think California implemented a new ban or restrictions on guns, so it isn't completely irrational to have believed that. Of course when you ban or restrict something the sales are going to spike. If Colorado bans marijuana in January 2019, December will be record "high" sales.
Its hard to tell without it being labeled, but I'm guess that valley in the middle were the Bush years, and the spike before that was during Clinton. Democrats are great for gun sales.
First, I stated that the spike in manufacturing is driven by demand. I Agree with your statement. I also agree that it was driven be Obama fear, earlier just a few posts up. What is not backed by information is that Obama is more left than previous presidents. There are many issues where Johnson, jfk, Roosevelt and even Ike are to the left of Obama. Clinton successfully banned assault weapons for a decade.
The difference is the effectiveness of the NRA propaganda.0 -
I agree that Obama’s liberalism has been significantly overblown by the right for propaganda purposes.mrussel1 said:
You have true statements mixed with untrue here.mace1229 said:
I would think, as any company would, gun manufactures create based on demand. The demand isn't created by simply making more guns, but more guns are made because the demand is there.mrussel1 said:
That can be true, it's just one step ahead in the process. I have no data to analyze 'gun culture'. That's fairly subjective. Manufacturing is driven by demand. That's quantifiable.mace1229 said:
Are you suggesting that more guns made in the US causes more shootings?mrussel1 said:
The axis doesn't show, but this is 86 to 2015 from the ATF. Someone want to tell me it's just correlation not causation? Or is it possible the wave of violence we have seen over the past decade + is related to the volume?
Why can't it be the other way? Increased guns manufactured is caused by an increase in gun culture? And an increase in gun culture causes more shootings?
And yes, I do not think it's correlation, I think it's causation.
Therefore making fewer guns wouldn't suddenly diminish this demand, since the demand exists for another reason other than simply more guns being manufactured.
I actually believe the spike is caused by something else; Obama.
He was farther left than other presidents before him, so people thought gun restrictions were going in increase and it set the trend of "buy your guns now while you can."
It's not his fault, but that's what happened. Particularly in liberal states like California. I haven't lived there for several years, but I think California implemented a new ban or restrictions on guns, so it isn't completely irrational to have believed that. Of course when you ban or restrict something the sales are going to spike. If Colorado bans marijuana in January 2019, December will be record "high" sales.
Its hard to tell without it being labeled, but I'm guess that valley in the middle were the Bush years, and the spike before that was during Clinton. Democrats are great for gun sales.
First, I stated that the spike in manufacturing is driven by demand. I Agree with your statement. I also agree that it was driven be Obama fear, earlier just a few posts up. What is not backed by information is that Obama is more left than previous presidents. There are many issues where Johnson, jfk, Roosevelt and even Ike are to the left of Obama. Clinton successfully banned assault weapons for a decade.
The difference is the effectiveness of the NRA propaganda.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
The same as a sports car, off road vehicle, motorcycle, ATV, ninja sword, yacht, etc.my2hands said:
What good do they bring you?unsung said:I don't require a need to own them.
What good do they bring society?
I don't expect a reasonable answer, but maybe I'll be surprised
They all bring someone pleasure.
Shooting a gun is a lot of fun when in the proper environment.
What it also does is gives the person a sense of safety in that if shit hits the fan, you have a chance at defending yourself and your family.
It is also backed by the constitution. No the constitution never said the AR or AK or UZI but there have been cases for the right to bear arms have held up in court.
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So they are fun and make you feel safer?
We all know they actually make you less safe...
So let's talk about having fun... you having fun at the range means these highly lethal weapons should be available to the public? Does your fun outweigh our collective safety?
I also have a constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... I think those kids at Parkland would say those rights were infringed upon, no? Does the 2A trump those rights?0 -
Also... all of my 2A fans... you realize it doesn't give you the right to own these weapons, according to the supreme court, right?
Connecticut banned the possession and sale of many semi automatic rifles such as the AR 15 in 2013 after Sandy Hook and made it a crime... And the US Supreme court refused to hear the challenge brought against it, effectively upholding the right of the state to ban them... this was after the 2nd Circuit upheld the ban
Your mighty 2A does not guarantee you the right to these weapons, and is not as Teflon a defense as you think
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It just feels great to not have any guns rifles or weapons in my house and I won’t even socialize with folks who are pro gun I’ve learned a lot about people who are pro gun from this thread , I don’t want anything to do with such folks ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Heller preserves the right, but there are plenty of cases to support restrictions. The ban on the 90s was upheld. tempo_n_groove said:
The same as a sports car, off road vehicle, motorcycle, ATV, ninja sword, yacht, etc.my2hands said:
What good do they bring you?unsung said:I don't require a need to own them.
What good do they bring society?
I don't expect a reasonable answer, but maybe I'll be surprised
They all bring someone pleasure.
Shooting a gun is a lot of fun when in the proper environment.
What it also does is gives the person a sense of safety in that if shit hits the fan, you have a chance at defending yourself and your family.
It is also backed by the constitution. No the constitution never said the AR or AK or UZI but there have been cases for the right to bear arms have held up in court.
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my2hands said:So they are fun and make you feel safer?
We all know they actually make you less safe...
So let's talk about having fun... you having fun at the range means these highly lethal weapons should be available to the public? Does your fun outweigh our collective safety?
I also have a constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness... I think those kids at Parkland would say those rights were infringed upon, no? Does the 2A trump those rights?
Look, we don't agree.my2hands said:Also... all of my 2A fans... you realize it doesn't give you the right to own these weapons, according to the supreme court, right?
Connecticut banned the possession and sale of many semi automatic rifles such as the AR 15 in 2013 after Sandy Hook and made it a crime... And the US Supreme court refused to hear the challenge brought against it, effectively upholding the right of the state to ban them... this was after the 2nd Circuit upheld the ban
Your mighty 2A does not guarantee you the right to these weapons, and is not as Teflon a defense as you think
I gave you an answers, you didn't like it, sorry, not sorry.
This is a topic that you and I will never have a compromise on and for that I am sorry.0
lol
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