America's Gun Violence

josevolution

Oh boy can’t even quote correctly 

josevolution

Just think that for a teacher/faculty employees to have the responsibility of securing and stopping shooters/shooter is not the route I’d want for my kids schools , have to have a total profesional be in charge of that job ..

PJPOWER

josevolution said:

Just think that for a teacher/faculty employees to have the responsibility of securing and stopping shooters/shooter is not the route I’d want for my kids schools , have to have a total profesional be in charge of that job ..

I’d be okay with that too, I was just trying to think of ways of increasing teacher salaries too . Thanks for being open minded, btw!

rgambs

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

Kids are getting gunned down by the dozens and people want to worry about the psychological effects on society of locked doors?  How about the psychological effect of living in a society where mass shootings occur nearly every day?
We ain't fixing shit in this country so we'd better get real. 

My blood is boiling over on this issue and I'm not sorry.  People need to wake the fuck up and see reality for what it is.  

what you're doing is falling into the trap the republicans and the gun lobby want you to fall into. throw your hands up at them and try another fix that doesn't involve gun legislation. but i agree with pjsoul, and no, it's not about locked doors. it's much more than that. i wouldn't want my child growing up learning to read while looking contemplatively at the gun in their teacher's holster. it's not a nurturing environment to be in, and i think would go a long way to desensitize society further down the 'guns are just another part of life' rabbit hole. 

Yeah well it's easy to call it a trap without skin in the game.  You talk about legislation, have you seen our government?  You have, you know deep in your core we won't fix this problem.  We just had a huge election and Trump won it.  Maybe this midterm elections will surprise me, but right now anything other than brutal, cynical realism is childish and naive.
None of the ideas we debate here will ever see a reasonable shot of being a part of reality if we can't even beat guys like Trump at the polls.

josevolution

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

Just think that for a teacher/faculty employees to have the responsibility of securing and stopping shooters/shooter is not the route I’d want for my kids schools , have to have a total profesional be in charge of that job ..

I’d be okay with that too, I was just trying to think of ways of increasing teacher salaries too . Thanks for being open minded, btw!

Hey I think all of us here are so yeah this sucks that so much of our train of thoughts are about these horrific events...

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

I say install metal detectors or at least have security guards at all schools searching everyone entering the school ...

I think that is a horrific idea.

More horrific than 17 bodies?

and then what happens when you have the first student to be murdered by a teacher? "i thought he was reaching for a gun! it turned out it was just his protractor!"

Then the same thing happens to them that happens to police in that situation.  They get tried for murder.  That’s why good “training” is so important, to minimize those possibilities.

teachers have it tough enough as it is. arming them and training them to deal with these situations is so far from the answer, i really can't even believe it's being seriously suggested and embraced. 

It is unbelievable that this has even been entertained outside of a few 'out there' posts What a strange place.

To you and HFD whom you quoted I say this:
If this is an indictment against America and our core values and sickness, I accept it.
If it's an indictment on those of us who are entertaining this idea, I reject and I call bullshit.
Easily done from Canada.  You sit back with your superior society and judge us as a whole, yeah I agree, it's bonkers here.  But if you sit there and start questioning the actions and ideas of people who are getting desperate in ways that you really can't relate to, then that's pretty shitty.

rgambs

Always Sunny In Philadelphia 
Gun Fever Too: Still Hot

mcgruff10

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

I say install metal detectors or at least have security guards at all schools searching everyone entering the school ...

I think that is a horrific idea.

More horrific than 17 bodies?

and then what happens when you have the first student to be murdered by a teacher? "i thought he was reaching for a gun! it turned out it was just his protractor!"

Then the same thing happens to them that happens to police in that situation.  They get tried for murder.  That’s why good “training” is so important, to minimize those possibilities.

teachers have it tough enough as it is. arming them and training them to deal with these situations is so far from the answer, i really can't even believe it's being seriously suggested and embraced. 

I teach and I'd be for it.  

dignin

rgambs said:

Always Sunny In Philadelphia 
Gun Fever Too: Still Hot

Keep fighting the good fight gambs, dont lose hope, you're one of the good ones.

josevolution

But I still think I’d wanna work on stopping the shooter outside the school as the 1st means, once the kid with weapon is in the school it becomes harder to stop them...

jeffbr

PJ just posted this to Facebook and Twitter:

https://twitter.com/PearlJam/status/964622353064853504

Smellyman

josevolution said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

I say install metal detectors or at least have security guards at all schools searching everyone entering the school ...

I think that is a horrific idea.

More horrific than 17 bodies?

Exactly let’s just ask those parents if they would of mind having their kids waiting in line to get into school safely and coming home alive , I’d say everyone of those families would sign up in a heartbeat 

Question:  How does a gunman get through a metal detector?

A:  He walks through

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

I say install metal detectors or at least have security guards at all schools searching everyone entering the school ...

I think that is a horrific idea.

More horrific than 17 bodies?

and then what happens when you have the first student to be murdered by a teacher? "i thought he was reaching for a gun! it turned out it was just his protractor!"

Then the same thing happens to them that happens to police in that situation.  They get tried for murder.  That’s why good “training” is so important, to minimize those possibilities.

teachers have it tough enough as it is. arming them and training them to deal with these situations is so far from the answer, i really can't even believe it's being seriously suggested and embraced. 

It is unbelievable that this has even been entertained outside of a few 'out there' posts What a strange place.

To you and HFD whom you quoted I say this:
If this is an indictment against America and our core values and sickness, I accept it.
If it's an indictment on those of us who are entertaining this idea, I reject and I call bullshit.
Easily done from Canada.  You sit back with your superior society and judge us as a whole, yeah I agree, it's bonkers here.  But if you sit there and start questioning the actions and ideas of people who are getting desperate in ways that you really can't relate to, then that's pretty shitty.

I think I can speak for Hugh as well here. We're not flaunting anything. We're genuinely hurting for you guys. 

Canadians like Americans (and everyone else for that matter).

mcgruff10

Honest question: why didn't democrats do anything about gun control when they had the house and senate during the first two years  of Obama's presidency?  Was it because they were actually afraid of losing seats like they did in '94 when they passed assault weapons bill?  Just thinking, fuck we had our chance, what the hell happened?

jeffbr

mcgruff10 said:

Honest question: why didn't democrats do anything about gun control when they had the house and senate during the first two years  of Obama's presidency?  Was it because they were actually afraid of losing seats like they did in '94 when they passed assault weapons bill?  Just thinking, fuck we had our chance, what the hell happened?

Great question. They even had a filibuster-proof majority. You are 100% correct that it was to save their election chances. They had passed a big stimulus bill, and ObamaCare, and were already feeling heat. So I'm sure they didn't want to rock the boat any further. But they fucking blew their chance. VA Tech shooting was still fresh. There was still outrage. But they dropped the ball. Hopefully they'll get another chance in 2020 (well, 2021) to show that they're serious about this issue.

CM189191

mcgruff10 said:

Honest question: why didn't democrats do anything about gun control when they had the house and senate during the first two years  of Obama's presidency?  Was it because they were actually afraid of losing seats like they did in '94 when they passed assault weapons bill?  Just thinking, fuck we had our chance, what the hell happened?

We can only fix so many of the Republican fuck ups at a time. Pretty sure Obama was focused on ACA and finding his birth certificate those first couple years. 

PJPOWER

mcgruff10 said:

Honest question: why didn't democrats do anything about gun control when they had the house and senate during the first two years  of Obama's presidency?  Was it because they were actually afraid of losing seats like they did in '94 when they passed assault weapons bill?  Just thinking, fuck we had our chance, what the hell happened?

Then they would lose a hot topic issue hook to keep people voting for them.

Smellyman

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Honest question: why didn't democrats do anything about gun control when they had the house and senate during the first two years  of Obama's presidency?  Was it because they were actually afraid of losing seats like they did in '94 when they passed assault weapons bill?  Just thinking, fuck we had our chance, what the hell happened?

We can only fix so many of the Republican fuck ups at a time. Pretty sure Obama was focused on ACA and finding his birth certificate those first couple years. 

He worked so hard to work across the aisle and make it a bipartisan solution.  We all saw that can't be done.

Soon nothing would get done until they get an awful POTUS who screws the average joe with damaging partisan bills or just signs an executive order.

Yet the mouth breathers on the right cheer.

dignin

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Honest question: why didn't democrats do anything about gun control when they had the house and senate during the first two years  of Obama's presidency?  Was it because they were actually afraid of losing seats like they did in '94 when they passed assault weapons bill?  Just thinking, fuck we had our chance, what the hell happened?

Then they would lose a hot topic issue hook to keep people voting for them.

Interesting, I'm wondering what hot topic issue hook made you vote for Trump?

Smellyman

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Honest question: why didn't democrats do anything about gun control when they had the house and senate during the first two years  of Obama's presidency?  Was it because they were actually afraid of losing seats like they did in '94 when they passed assault weapons bill?  Just thinking, fuck we had our chance, what the hell happened?

Then they would lose a hot topic issue hook to keep people voting for them.

Interesting, I'm wondering what the hot topic issue hook made you vote for Trump?

Dems try logic and reason.  Republicans only use hot topic issues to dupe the rubes