America's Gun Violence

rgambs

Kids are getting gunned down by the dozens and people want to worry about the psychological effects on society of locked doors?  How about the psychological effect of living in a society where mass shootings occur nearly every day?
We ain't fixing shit in this country so we'd better get real. 

My blood is boiling over on this issue and I'm not sorry.  People need to wake the fuck up and see reality for what it is.  

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...In fact, some schools and churches around here have already taken it upon themselves to implement these kinds of measures.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

https://twitter.com/szzeif/status/964148278932725760

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

What's asinine is thinking that you can solve the very biggest problems that have plagued the human race since the dawn of civilization and taking precautions to save children's lives in the meantime is a distraction.

All these mass shootings are a very American problem, not one that plagued all of mankind... Taking precautions is one thing. Searching children as they enter school and having metal detecotrs and highly controlled activity and armed guards walking around isn't the right solution. It's a sledgehammer solution that will not contribute positively to kids or society.

Mass shootings are a symptom of the root problems people want addressed.
You know, those tiny little problems of violence, mental health, and poverty that have plagued all of mankind.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

HesCalledDyer

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

https://twitter.com/szzeif/status/964148278932725760

Absolutely chilling.  I have no other words.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

You are entitled to your opinion...

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

No other country has solved a gun problem even a quarter the size of what we are dealing with.
I'm 1000% behind following the models of those countries, but those are long term solutions that probably won't ever happen, and even if they did, thousands of students will die between now and then.
ItsI not dumping the problem on teachers, its giving them the choice to take up this role if they wish too and are deemed capable.

I'm an anti-military guy, hardcore, but right now I think your idea isn't all that terrible.  Soldiers defending children in America sure beats killing children elsewhere.  

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

tbergs

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

The problem is, the right won't budge so now the left is starting to just say fuck it, arm the schools. Even though we all know it won't fix or prevent anything. Arming schools isn't a quick solution either because it's a budget issue for already strapped school districts. And even if we arm a handful of teachers, they still have to be ready to respond and be near a threat when it happens. You know this is just going to spiral to arm every teacher after arming 5 doesn't work.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

Why not, if that art teacher has displayed the proficiency requirements and runs through scenario trainings?  Seems like a better approach that expecting them to stand in front of the students taking bullets in hopes that the students can escape.  In his particular shooting, one or two armed individuals with good training would have stopped the perp in his tracks.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

I don't care that you were joking, I think a Navy Seal in every school is an idea worth exploring.

Nice straw man there Thirty, you read my posts, you know I don't want guns shoved into art teachers' hands.  
Did you read about the hero assistant football coach?  He sacrificed his body to save students after getting at least one out of the building.  You don't think he might have made a difference with training and access?  You don't think there are brave and competent men and women like him in nearly every school?
Yeah, it's fucked up to even entertain the notion.  But we live at the capital of Fucked Upland and we need to protect these poor kids.  

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

Why not, if that art teacher has displayed the proficiency requirements and runs through scenario trainings?  Seems like a better approach that expecting them to stand in front of the students taking bullets in hopes that the students can escape.  In his particular shooting, one or two armed individuals with good training would have stopped the perp in his tracks.

Not so fast. You're making the assumption that the trained teacher would perform well under the pressure of the real deal. I can think of other scenarios that might have made the situation even worse.

I am a qualified and long tenured OFA Level II attendant. I've seen other trained and certified attendants fail under the pressure of a serious injury. Just because someone passes the tests doesn't mean they are qualified or suitable.

tbergs

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

Why not, if that art teacher has displayed the proficiency requirements and runs through scenario trainings?  Seems like a better approach that expecting them to stand in front of the students taking bullets in hopes that the students can escape.  In his particular shooting, one or two armed individuals with good training would have stopped the perp in his tracks.

They will all need to open carry at the schools. Think about that. Your kids teachers will need to look like Wyatt Earp wandering the halls of your elementary.

I like how everyone acts like we have tried all of these measures and they have failed so the only solution is to arm and lockdown schools. We literally have tried zero actual measures to curb gun violence.

HesCalledDyer

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

Why not, if that art teacher has displayed the proficiency requirements and runs through scenario trainings?  Seems like a better approach that expecting them to stand in front of the students taking bullets in hopes that the students can escape.  In his particular shooting, one or two armed individuals with good training would have stopped the perp in his tracks.

You know what REALLY would have stopped the perp in his tracks?  Not being able to purchase and possess a god damn AR-15.

But I'm unqualified to speak in this thread, so pardon me while I go back to keeping my unreasonable and disrespectful comments to myself.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

I don't care that you were joking, I think a Navy Seal in every school is an idea worth exploring.

Nice straw man there Thirty, you read my posts, you know I don't want guns shoved into art teachers' hands.  
Did you read about the hero assistant football coach?  He sacrificed his body to save students after getting at least one out of the building.  You don't think he might have made a difference with training and access?  You don't think there are brave and competent men and women like him in nearly every school?
Yeah, it's fucked up to even entertain the notion.  But we live at the capital of Fucked Upland and we need to protect these poor kids.  

I wasn't joking. Wtf man?

I'm saying if the US wants to go the route of placing armed attendants in their schools... then they should put armed attendants in their schools- not 'wannabes'.

At this point... it's not a horrible idea.

But as someone else said... there are daycares... there are hospitals... there are malls. No schools because those places are too risky? No problem! I'll find another soft target because there are countless soft targets.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

I don't care that you were joking, I think a Navy Seal in every school is an idea worth exploring.

Nice straw man there Thirty, you read my posts, you know I don't want guns shoved into art teachers' hands.  
Did you read about the hero assistant football coach?  He sacrificed his body to save students after getting at least one out of the building.  You don't think he might have made a difference with training and access?  You don't think there are brave and competent men and women like him in nearly every school?
Yeah, it's fucked up to even entertain the notion.  But we live at the capital of Fucked Upland and we need to protect these poor kids.  

I wasn't joking. Wtf man?

I'm saying if the US wants to go the route of placing armed attendants in their schools... then they should put armed attendants in their schools- not 'wannabes'.

At this point... it's not a horrible idea.

But as someone else said... there are daycares... there are hospitals... there are malls. No schools because those places are too risky? No problem! I'll find another soft target because there are countless soft targets.

I thought you were being sarcastic.
I need to cool down lol

rgambs

We (smart people like all of us here) lost.
Trump is our POTUS.
We have to accept that we don't have the political power to get much done. 
It's a bummer.

rgambs

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Root of the problem lol you all are literally insane.
What problem has America EVER gotten to the root of?  
Logistically, a teacher can't stop a shooting but we can collectively as a society solve the logistics of poverty, mental health, and firearm proliferation in no time, eh?

Other countries have solved their gun violence problems. See Australia, Canada, Japan, etc. for the model.

And you missed my point which I probably never made very clear: dumping this problem on the shoulders of teachers who simply wish to teach is not right for countless reasons.

If that is the approach the US wants to take... then station trained soldiers in every school and have soldiers do soldierly duties on the homeland.

I know plenty of teachers that would gladly jump on the opportunity, especially if there was a pay incentive behind it...but I’m in TX, so...

This might be so... but it is still inappropriate.

Yeah and expressed those same sentiments 6 years ago when 20 little kids were slaughtered.
What's changed since then?  How high does the body count need to get before it becomes appropriate?

So put a f**king navy seal in the school then. Training the wierd art teacher to leave his shading lesson, run to the gun safe, grab the school gun, and make his way through the mayhem to deal with some f**king idiot is not the answer.

My gawd, RG. I know where you sit with this issue and I know you're hot under the collar, but you're not thinking clearly enough here in my mind.

Why not, if that art teacher has displayed the proficiency requirements and runs through scenario trainings?  Seems like a better approach that expecting them to stand in front of the students taking bullets in hopes that the students can escape.  In his particular shooting, one or two armed individuals with good training would have stopped the perp in his tracks.

You know what REALLY would have stopped the perp in his tracks?  Not being able to purchase and possess a god damn AR-15.

But I'm unqualified to speak in this thread, so pardon me while I go back to keeping my unreasonable and disrespectful comments to myself.

So how do we make that happen?
Do you think it's even possible in our current political climate?