America's Gun Violence

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

Link?

This is the closest thing I could find. It was one part of Indiana back in '56 and was in response to all the accidental shootings of children.

http://time.com/3688072/portraits-of-schoolkids-learning-firearm-safety-in-rural-indiana-1956/

Don’t you know? The shangrala of Indianer!

unsung

This is why we can't take anything seriously.  Ban the chainsaws!

https://instagram.com/p/BbRbIONn4GN/embed/

unsung

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

Link?

www.google.com

unsung

tbergs said:

 IHalifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

Link?

This is the closest thing I could find. It was one part of Indiana back in '56 and was in response to all the accidental shootings of children.

http://time.com/3688072/portraits-of-schoolkids-learning-firearm-safety-in-rural-indiana-1956/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/338167

RYME

RYME said:

RYME said:

My dad scolded me when I was 10 years old engaging in a squirt gun fight with my sister.  He scolded both of us.  He didn't  let us point any toy guns at anyone.  He wasn't kidding he was visibly upset.  He didn't want us to someday accidentally treat a real gun like a squirt gun and accidentally shoot someone.
It has served me well. I have been hunting in the woods with my dad since I was 12 years old. It's a wonderful father son thing that we do together every year.  Not all at once but every fall it's Deer, ducks, geese, grouse, pheasants, & Turkey in the spring primarily.  There's nothing easy about hunting any of these animals. It's actually very hard work to be successful at hunting.  My 72 year old dad actually got a nice 9-point buck with his bow and arrow from his tree stand Monday morning.  Yes he still climbs a tree and stands up there for hours on end waiting for the right moment.
It's the best organic kind of meat you can get wild birds & wild deer.
To each his own.  But hunting for me isn't all about shooting the animal you are after.  It requires skill patience and diligence. It's about getting out early in the day before sunrise, putting up with the elements often times it's very cold, enjoying some beautiful sunrises and just sitting in nature and watching the animals and birds around you watching the woods wake up in the morning you hear a tree pop, if there is no wind you here and noticed every single thing that goes on in the woods around you. And I'm here to tell you that when a tree falls in the forest it does make a noise. , often times the weather changes as you're sitting there it's not all about shooting animals, most of the time you're sitting there contemplating life thinking about things it's a very complex thing.  I've spent many a day in the woods where you get nothing then go home cold and tired. 
Try hunting ruffed grouse in a Northwoods someday if you haven't. They are a small Woodlands bird member of the Partridge Family that hang out and Young thick Conifer and deciduous forests, when they fly their wings make incredible rumbling sound startles the living hell out of you every time, and they fly super fast The spin and the zig zag, Bank Left Bank right duck and dive, through the trees super fast.  Very hard to hit, and nine times out of 10 you miss, or don't even get a shot, so when you finally do get a ruffed grouse it's very rewarding.  You need to have a good retriever dog with you as well because if you hit a grouse that's zipping through the woods at 90 miles an hour and it lands 50 yards from you are in the brush there's almost no chance in hell that you can find it on your own because you don't know exactly where it went down and they blend in with the ground.  So you need a good dog with a good nose to go over and find what you got and it's so rewarding when the dog picks it up and brings it to you it's a feeling that almost cannot be described. 
And it is the best all white meat bird there is in my opinion.  Whitetail deer extremely sensitive to their environments you have to be awful careful skilled and know what you're doing in order to get a deer, watch where your scent is blowing be careful not to make noises like clearing your throat, coughing or whatever or a zipper clicking on your jacket. They can hear extremely well they can see extremely well and they got a nose about a hundred times better than a dog they can smell you from a hundred yards away if they're down wind of you.  So when you do get a nice dear it is super rewarding.
Anyway,
If you're going to own a gun for protection, competition, or hunting,
I believe it is mandatory that you take a class if you don't have someone in your close Circle otherwise to show you how. I took a hunter education safety program when I was 12 in addition to what my dad taught me. 
Here is a list of the very basic safety standards that every gun user should know before ever handling any kind of a gun.
http://www.magtechammunition.com/resources/safety-university/12-golden-rules/
I don't think I gun safety course is mandatory in order to own a gun. But if you're planning to use it for whatever, you need all the safety training you can get.  And I think open Cary and concealed Carry needs to be backed up by serious and rigerous  training before you can carry a gun in public.
I believe that more law abiding trained and armed citizenry is the best defense against these horrific shootings. That way the crazy person doesn't get to have Open Season on whatever venue they decide to attack. Be it a movie theater, concert venue, restaurant, School, or church or whatever. Because these shootings and mass shootings all occur in gun-free zones they know that when they go in there likely nobody else is armed except them the bad guy. Because law-abiding citizens obey the sign and leave their guns at home crazies don't care what the law is and they'll bring their guns into a theater or whatever and open fire.

All of this should be common sense, but obviously it isn't.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

This is why we can't take anything seriously.  Ban the chainsaws!

https://instagram.com/p/BbRbIONn4GN/embed/

I wonder how the victims in Texas, Orlando, Vegas and Sandy Hook would find the humor in this? Why don’t you forward it to some of them and report back? Being the tough guy you are and all.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

Link?

www.google.com

Like I said, your humor wasn’t missed.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I'm wondering when and where the next mass shooting is going to be?

Do you think it will be with a lever action .22, a bolt action .30-06, a double barrel shotgun, or an AR15?

And how many people are going to get killed?

I know. I know. Tough questions. I'll give it a shot:

My guess is... hmmm... this is tough... I saaaayyy... oohhh... the south somewhere/ next week/ AR15/ and 24 killed (I'm not counting the wounded people- who cares about those guys). Maybe at a Chucky Cheese or something.

Now git to the range and squeeze a few rounds off! Yee Haw! Shootin' shit makes a man (well... Wranglers and buck teeth too I might add). 

RYME

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm wondering when and where the next mass shooting is going to be?

Do you think it will be with a lever action .22, a bolt action .30-06, a double barrel shotgun, or an AR15?

And how many people are going to get killed?

I know. I know. Tough questions. I'll give it a shot:

My guess is... hmmm... this is tough... I saaaayyy... oohhh... the south somewhere/ next week/ AR15/ and 24 killed (I'm not counting the wounded people- who cares about those guys). Maybe at a Chucky Cheese or something.

Now git to the range and squeeze a few rounds off! Yee Haw! Shootin' shit makes a man (well... Wranglers and buck teeth too I might add). 

Except for the AR-15,. I own several of each of those glorified versions of a pellet guns that you mentioned & Yes I feel so manly when armed!!

CM189191

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

So was segregation.  

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

So who best to regulate that other than the state?  Issue state licenses for gun owners that reflect basic competency.  

If run through the DMV you wouldn't have much more admin cost since the brick and mortar already exists.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RYME said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm wondering when and where the next mass shooting is going to be?

Do you think it will be with a lever action .22, a bolt action .30-06, a double barrel shotgun, or an AR15?

And how many people are going to get killed?

I know. I know. Tough questions. I'll give it a shot:

My guess is... hmmm... this is tough... I saaaayyy... oohhh... the south somewhere/ next week/ AR15/ and 24 killed (I'm not counting the wounded people- who cares about those guys). Maybe at a Chucky Cheese or something.

Now git to the range and squeeze a few rounds off! Yee Haw! Shootin' shit makes a man (well... Wranglers and buck teeth too I might add). 

Except for the AR-15,. I own several of each of those glorified versions of a pellet guns that you mentioned & Yes I feel so manly when armed!!

You've got a gun? Fact you've got 2?

That's okay man, cuz you love God!

RYME

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm wondering when and where the next mass shooting is going to be?

Do you think it will be with a lever action .22, a bolt action .30-06, a double barrel shotgun, or an AR15?

And how many people are going to get killed?

I know. I know. Tough questions. I'll give it a shot:

My guess is... hmmm... this is tough... I saaaayyy... oohhh... the south somewhere/ next week/ AR15/ and 24 killed (I'm not counting the wounded people- who cares about those guys). Maybe at a Chucky Cheese or something.

Now git to the range and squeeze a few rounds off! Yee Haw! Shootin' shit makes a man (well... Wranglers and buck teeth too I might add). 

Except for the AR-15,. I own several of each of those glorified versions of a pellet guns that you mentioned & Yes I feel so manly when armed!!

You've got a gun? Fact you've got 2?

That's okay man, cuz you love God!

You God damn right!!

unsung

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

So who best to regulate that other than the state?  Issue state licenses for gun owners that reflect basic competency.  

If run through the DMV you wouldn't have much more admin cost since the brick and mortar already exists.

Some States already do, Illinois being one, Chicago is just getting worse.  Guns can’t be blamed, that is just a cop-out.  Nothing will change until people value life.  How do we get that done?

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

So who best to regulate that other than the state?  Issue state licenses for gun owners that reflect basic competency.  

If run through the DMV you wouldn't have much more admin cost since the brick and mortar already exists.

Some States already do, Illinois being one, Chicago is just getting worse.  Guns can’t be blamed, that is just a cop-out.  Nothing will change until people value life.  How do we get that done?

Step one would be to ban assault weapons and require gun registration and licensing.

We make it too easy to destroy life.

CM189191

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

So who best to regulate that other than the state?  Issue state licenses for gun owners that reflect basic competency.  

If run through the DMV you wouldn't have much more admin cost since the brick and mortar already exists.

Some States already do, Illinois being one, Chicago is just getting worse.  Guns can’t be blamed, that is just a cop-out.  Nothing will change until people value life.  How do we get that done?

Yes, that's obviously the most reasonable explanation.  Other countries just value life more than the US does. 

Fun fact: The Second Amendment was ratified to preserve slavery

There is literally a direct line from the 2nd Amendment to devaluation of human life.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

RYME said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

RYME said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm wondering when and where the next mass shooting is going to be?

Do you think it will be with a lever action .22, a bolt action .30-06, a double barrel shotgun, or an AR15?

And how many people are going to get killed?

I know. I know. Tough questions. I'll give it a shot:

My guess is... hmmm... this is tough... I saaaayyy... oohhh... the south somewhere/ next week/ AR15/ and 24 killed (I'm not counting the wounded people- who cares about those guys). Maybe at a Chucky Cheese or something.

Now git to the range and squeeze a few rounds off! Yee Haw! Shootin' shit makes a man (well... Wranglers and buck teeth too I might add). 

Except for the AR-15,. I own several of each of those glorified versions of a pellet guns that you mentioned & Yes I feel so manly when armed!!

You've got a gun? Fact you've got 2?

That's okay man, cuz you love God!

You God damn right!!

Lol

Cheers.

benjs

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

So who best to regulate that other than the state?  Issue state licenses for gun owners that reflect basic competency.  

If run through the DMV you wouldn't have much more admin cost since the brick and mortar already exists.

Some States already do, Illinois being one, Chicago is just getting worse.  Guns can’t be blamed, that is just a cop-out.  Nothing will change until people value life.  How do we get that done?

I agree with your bolded statement, but these days idealists get mocked, so I don't see that changing. Maybe you're right that if other people can't be depended upon to value life, they themselves will need to secure their own.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

RYME said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

PJPOWER said:

Gern Blansten said:

jeffbr said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

Gern Blansten said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

mace1229 said:

And to answer your question, no its not because they can kill. Its just fun. Why aremodel rockets fun? I dont know, they just are. its fun to light a rocket and watch it launch hundreds of feet up. Its fun to shoot clay targets and watch them shatter when you hit them.Most of my guns are .22, essentially the smallest caliber, so it isnt about killing capabilities. 
Which I guess is why I'm okay with a lot of gun restrictions. I can still target shoot with smaller magazine limits, I can wait 10 days before shooting, I can pass a background check. 

Ok, of course bows and arrows were created to kill also but I don't think we need fear their use in mass murders.

I still don't understand why it's important for you to shoot with live rounds. Would it be less fun for you to shoot with a paint ball or even some kind of rubber bullet?

I'm genuinely trying to understand this gun culture that is so alien to me

When discussing mass murder with a leftist it is so hard to take them seriously.

And this is why discussing guns with right wingers is difficult. Someone’s asking questions out of sincere curiousity and your response is to shut down the discussion, not expand it. 

I made the assumption that since the antis are always telling me how much training should be needed it was obvious that in order to be trained you'd have to use real ammo.

You can't really train things like marksmanship with paintballs.

Marksmanship?  

I don't see a need to train gun owners on marksmanship.  That's the military's job

Exactly

Not exactly. I personally hope that all gun owners are able to hit what they're aiming at. I don't understand why someone would downplay the need to be proficient with whatever tool you're using.

The inference was that people should be required to be trained with marksmanship.  Yes, I understand the need/desire for a hunter to want to practice his/her shot.

I was referring to the idea that those in favor of gun control/registration/licensing, etc. would require marksmanship training.  I, for one, don't really care if you are a good shot.  I just believe you should have proper instruction on how to handle and store the weapon before you get a license.  Kind of like how we require people to learn traffic laws before we give them a driver's license.

I totally agree with your last paragraph, and I would say that a large portion of gun owners do get that kind of education.  You are required to have it to obtain a CCW or even to hunt legally(at least in Texas).  I’m not a paying member of the NRA, but they are probably the most active group in providing the educational trainings.  

I was able to purchase a handgun in Indiana with absolutely no training whatsoever.  I applied for a lifetime carry license which required a background check, fingerprinting, etc.  Took a week or so to get that approved which was no problem to me.

Once I had the license I bought the gun.  

I don’t doubt it at all.  I don’t think anywhere requires a gun safety course to obtain a firearm.  That is unfortunate and it is obvious who hasn’t had a safety course if you are ever around them.  They are the ones crossing people with the muzzle and saying things like “it’s not even loaded.

It seems we've found at least one common ground with gun owners; mandatory gun safety courses prior to ownership. I would hope all of you are contacting your local NRA chapter and legislature to push for these mandatory provisions since the anti gun crowd don't understand the terminology and are too negative in their characterizations of gun violence their voices just don't have the impact of someone who owns and shoots guns regularly. If it's something you really believe in and are concerned about, then it's up to you to make us all safer. To paraphrase Smokey Bear, only you can help prevent accidental shootings!

It used to be part of school curriculum.   Bring gun safety classes back, totally agree.

So who best to regulate that other than the state?  Issue state licenses for gun owners that reflect basic competency.  

If run through the DMV you wouldn't have much more admin cost since the brick and mortar already exists.

Some States already do, Illinois being one, Chicago is just getting worse.  Guns can’t be blamed, that is just a cop-out.  Nothing will change until people value life.  How do we get that done?

no it fucking isn't a cop out. if you can fire off 1000 rounds in 10 minutes and you think that's not part of the issue, that's the fucking cop out. 

CM189191

unsung said:

Some States already do, Illinois being one, Chicago is just getting worse.  Guns can’t be blamed, that is just a cop-out.  Nothing will change until people value life.  How do we get that done?

mandatory liability insurance 

that is how you acknowledge the societal cost of gun ownership