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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,931
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,619
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,931
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,619
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
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    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.

    The point that is irrefutable, yet unacceptable by the proponents of guns that speak to 'responsible ownership' as some form of an argument against sensible legislation.

    Every gun has the same start in life. 'Irresponsible' is used selectively every time a weapon is misused... as if there is no link to 'responsible'.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Plenty of morons out there... with guns
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited May 2018
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mace1229 said:
    Just another “responsible” gun owner, running for office no less.

    Shocking Gun Ad By Georgia Gubernatorial Candidate Brian Kemp Backfires - HuffPost https://apple.news/Ae94eeBgDQBuZCNU9eg4kFw
     
    Ha, ha funny too.
    That is a pretty bad ad. Terrible idea to use a gun like that and point it at the kid like its a toy. 
    Seriously stupid, but politicians are not historically known for being positive examples of firearm safety...Remember Biden’s comment about “just shoot the shotgun in the air” to scare a home intruder away and the recent Karen Moulder creating an illegal firearm and recording it on Facebook for all to see...The people making the laws don’t know shit about firearms.
    Who is Karen Moulder? I'm interested to here more about that story.

    I do remember a Karen Mallard who destroyed a gun and who you said would be charged, how is that investigation going? Charges imminent?
    About as likely to get charged as Trump...I honestly don’t know, last I heard she is being investigated by the ATF...And as you know, investigations take time.  
    Does it upset you that I keep mentioning the quack (get it, “Mallard”, lol)
    And I said that she “should” be charged, not that she “would”.  I still hope she does, as any irresponsible gun owner should.
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,931
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think.  There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally.  I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles).  If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take. 
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,828
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think.  There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally.  I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles).  If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take. 
    “If” someone goes on a rampage? Are you suggesting that there isn’t already handgun violence every single day in the US? It just tends to be somewhat more limited in number of victims per incident. 
     
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,931
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I’m actually a rarity on this topic. I am a responsible firearm owner (no quotes around responsible). There is such a thing, contrary to what some think.  There are also way too many irresponsible firearm owners, both legally and illegally.  I’d be accepting of much stricter gun laws, including extensive background checks, psychological testing, etc. I’d also be willing to ban any firearm that has a 30 round magazine (i.e. assault rifles).  If those two concessions were made (hypothetically) by the NRA and “pro-gun crowd,” would that be sufficient? I think the problem then becomes, if those laws are passed and someone goes on a rampage with a handgun, those will be the next target. Curious to hear your take. 
    “If” someone goes on a rampage? Are you suggesting that there isn’t already handgun violence every single day in the US? It just tends to be somewhat more limited in number of victims per incident. 
     
    I didn’t say “if” in the context you’re implying.  Re-read please.  I said “IF those laws are passed AND someone goes on a rampage.”            






                                 
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,931
    Furthermore, out of my entire post and the question at hand, that is the only takeaway? If you read what I said you’d see I’m very much willing to have changes made that will reduce the number of senseless acts that we see far too often. I’m not all or nothing like most people are on this topic. 
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,014
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I would disagree with that. Most, but probably not all guns start legally. What I disagree with more is there’s definitely a lot of people legally buying guns who shouldn’t. I’ve seen plenty of irresponsible gun owners myself who probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun. 
    I don’t have stats in front of me, but I’ve seen it posted several times that majority of gun owners are for gun control. My point is most gun owners don’t want those irresponsible people having guns just as much as you don’t.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,619
    edited May 2018
    mace1229 said:
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I would disagree with that. Most, but probably not all guns start legally. What I disagree with more is there’s definitely a lot of people legally buying guns who shouldn’t. I’ve seen plenty of irresponsible gun owners myself who probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun. 
    I don’t have stats in front of me, but I’ve seen it posted several times that majority of gun owners are for gun control. My point is most gun owners don’t want those irresponsible people having guns just as much as you don’t.

    Then, if that’s the case, why aren’t the vast majority of “responsible” gun owners pressuring the NRA and their elected officials to pass “responsible” gun control legislation that addresses some of those issues? Silence = complicity.

    Is there a vast network of illegal gun manufacturers supplying the majority of guns in America? 
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    DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    Of course responsible gun owners exist. Most of them are responsible,  until they're not
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,619
    “Responsible” gun rights advocates allowing for foreign money, from Russia no less, to influence an election. You don’t suddenly spend $30 million dollars, more than the two previous presidential elections combined, to get Team Trump Treason elected, without collusion. Traitors.

    Gun Control Advocates To Press Russia Questions During NRA Convention - NPR https://apple.news/ANTcpX718QeC-Y1CHFx-XUw
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,550
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.
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    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited May 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or it may have increased his clientele and motivation.  Supply and demand.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,619
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited May 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
    A law abiding citizen like himself would surely not resort to buying a template and creating his own to meet his clientele’s demand.  And then, they would truly be untraceable.  Maybe he can get assistance from Karen Mallard.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,303
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Oh, the irony.

    The NRA bans guns at their upcoming convention while Mike Pence is in attendance.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/nra-convention-bans-guns-to-protect-mike-pence-parkland-survivors-jaws-drop_us_5ae4f225e4b04aa23f239924

    It's almost like they're admitting that, despite a whole convention hall of presumably "good guys with guns", someone might still manage to commit violence. 
    I believe they become a gun free zone for their convention and headquarters every year, every day, respectively. Their hypocrisy has been around for quite sometime.
    In the article it says the secret service put these restrictions in place. 
    Pretty much anywhere the president or VP go is a gun free zone. I don’t know why anyone is surprised an NRA convention with the VP is not an exception to that.
    and as you pointed out, it was the secret service who required this. Although I think it’s a good idea, NRA seems like that had nothing to do with that decision.

    So no guns around important people? Just regular people? 
    Exactly fuck the kids or the church goers or concert goers or waffle eating mother ef’rs ..
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
    A law abiding citizen like himself would surely not resort to buying a template and creating his own to meet his clientele’s demand.  And then, they would truly be untraceable.  Maybe he can get assistance from Karen Mallard.
    She in jail yet? If not, maybe you should volunteer to lead the investigation so we can have justice! I hate to think about how she may be prowling the streets, looking for more victims. Nobody is safe.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
    A law abiding citizen like himself would surely not resort to buying a template and creating his own to meet his clientele’s demand.  And then, they would truly be untraceable.  Maybe he can get assistance from Karen Mallard.
    She in jail yet? If not, maybe you should volunteer to lead the investigation so we can have justice! I hate to think about how she may be prowling the streets, looking for more victims. Nobody is safe.
    Lol, right on que!  Being investigated by the ATF last I heard.  Are you her cheerleader or what?

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,619
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
    A law abiding citizen like himself would surely not resort to buying a template and creating his own to meet his clientele’s demand.  And then, they would truly be untraceable.  Maybe he can get assistance from Karen Mallard.
    She in jail yet? If not, maybe you should volunteer to lead the investigation so we can have justice! I hate to think about how she may be prowling the streets, looking for more victims. Nobody is safe.
    Lol, right on que!  Being investigated by the ATF last I heard.  Are you her cheerleader or what?

    What's taking so long? She provided video taped evidence of her "crime." No charges filed yet? No local or state charges? Just federal charges? Again, what's taking so long? Seems a grand jury should be able to indict based on the video, right?
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,619
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
    A law abiding citizen like himself would surely not resort to buying a template and creating his own to meet his clientele’s demand.  And then, they would truly be untraceable.  Maybe he can get assistance from Karen Mallard.
    Because thats how he got caught, manufacturing untraceable firearms? And jeeze, its so much easier walking into a gun shop and buying multiple firearms in a half an hour rather than setting up a mini-manufacturing plant in your basement and producing product to supply demand. If that were the case, gun shops would be out of business, yes?.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    edited May 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
    A law abiding citizen like himself would surely not resort to buying a template and creating his own to meet his clientele’s demand.  And then, they would truly be untraceable.  Maybe he can get assistance from Karen Mallard.
    She in jail yet? If not, maybe you should volunteer to lead the investigation so we can have justice! I hate to think about how she may be prowling the streets, looking for more victims. Nobody is safe.
    Lol, right on que!  Being investigated by the ATF last I heard.  Are you her cheerleader or what?

    Honestly, "being investigated" when there was a video shared with the world doesn't make sense. I know you like to compare this to the Mueller investigation, but if video of Trump, hookers and Putin discussing election plans was made public, I don't think it'd be months before anything criminally was pushed forward. Charges would be filed and court dates already set. You're about the only one who still gives a duck about Mallard.
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    It's a hopeless situation...
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited May 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
    A law abiding citizen like himself would surely not resort to buying a template and creating his own to meet his clientele’s demand.  And then, they would truly be untraceable.  Maybe he can get assistance from Karen Mallard.
    She in jail yet? If not, maybe you should volunteer to lead the investigation so we can have justice! I hate to think about how she may be prowling the streets, looking for more victims. Nobody is safe.
    Lol, right on que!  Being investigated by the ATF last I heard.  Are you her cheerleader or what?

    What's taking so long? She provided video taped evidence of her "crime." No charges filed yet? No local or state charges? Just federal charges? Again, what's taking so long? Seems a grand jury should be able to indict based on the video, right?
    IDK, maybe she was in one of Trumps Ptapes and it is holding things up.  Why don’t you call the ATF and ask what is taking so long.  Funny that you guys are okay with people being irresponsible with firearms when it is one of your own...partisan hacks...I was under the impression that you wanted to hold politicians to a higher standard when it comes to following the law...guess I was wrong.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    dignin said:
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Just another good guy with guns exercising  his 2A rights.....


    I’m sure if we had more laws, that would have stopped him.

    Less guns might have though.
    Or enforceable and verifiable limitations on the number of firearms he could purchase in a given time frame but we all know “responsible” straw purchasers don’t exist.
    A law abiding citizen like himself would surely not resort to buying a template and creating his own to meet his clientele’s demand.  And then, they would truly be untraceable.  Maybe he can get assistance from Karen Mallard.
    She in jail yet? If not, maybe you should volunteer to lead the investigation so we can have justice! I hate to think about how she may be prowling the streets, looking for more victims. Nobody is safe.
    Lol, right on que!  Being investigated by the ATF last I heard.  Are you her cheerleader or what?

    What's taking so long? She provided video taped evidence of her "crime." No charges filed yet? No local or state charges? Just federal charges? Again, what's taking so long? Seems a grand jury should be able to indict based on the video, right?
    IDK, maybe she was in one of Trumps Ptapes and it is holding things up.  Why don’t you call the ATF and ask what is taking so long.  Funny that you guys are okay with people being irresponsible with firearms when it is one of your own...partisan hacks...
    You sure do care a lot about her unlawfully destroying a firearm. If only you cared that much about people getting killed by firearms.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,014
    mace1229 said:
    bbiggs said:
    bbiggs said:
    ^ This guy is clearly not a responsible gun owner. He’s a moron. 

    He was a “responsible” gun owner until he wasn’t.
    Says who? He may have always been irresponsible. I get what you’re saying, but my point is that such a thing (“responsible”) does exist. Clearly not from this clown. 
    The NRA and pro gun crowd would have you believe that every gun begins as a legal firearm and every legal gun buyer starts out as a “responsible” gun owner. I’m arguing that they’re “responsible” until they’re not. Thus, no recurring licensing or requirements to exhibit that you continue to “responsible” with a firearm after purchase.
    I would disagree with that. Most, but probably not all guns start legally. What I disagree with more is there’s definitely a lot of people legally buying guns who shouldn’t. I’ve seen plenty of irresponsible gun owners myself who probably should have never been allowed to buy a gun. 
    I don’t have stats in front of me, but I’ve seen it posted several times that majority of gun owners are for gun control. My point is most gun owners don’t want those irresponsible people having guns just as much as you don’t.

    Then, if that’s the case, why aren’t the vast majority of “responsible” gun owners pressuring the NRA and their elected officials to pass “responsible” gun control legislation that addresses some of those issues? Silence = complicity.

    Is there a vast network of illegal gun manufacturers supplying the majority of guns in America? 
    Serious question. WHat are you doing to pressure them?
    Gun control is typically not a top priority when electing officials. So other than who we vote for, how are you pushing for change? 
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