America's Gun Violence

tbergs

josevolution said:

Ok let's just start with putting a restriction on how many guns you can legally purchase go ahead put a number on it is 10 enough ! 

Good luck. Personally, I'd say three. A handgun, a rifle and a shotgun. The handgun would be for those seeking self defense and the hunters could have their 2 long guns. Maybe an exception for black powder guns since they are limited capacity.

Smellyman

muzzle loaded as intended.

tbergs

Apparently 42 guns may be enough. He had 23 in his hotel room.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/guns-loaded-high-capacity-magazines-found-vegas-shooters/story?id=50228093

tbergs

Dark, but relevant humor.

http://www.theonion.com/article/nra-says-mass-shootings-just-unfortunate-price-pro-57094

lastexitlondon

PJ_Soul said:

mattsl1983 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mattsl1983 said:

I guess I'm an idiot because removing all guns seems like a no brainer to reducing violence and improving society. How could it not? This is no longer primitive times so why do we still think and respond primitively? How much of the food the average person eats in a given year is actually procured via hunting in some way? Seriously, I don't know, but it can't be more then 5%. Yet, we're not doing anything about guns because of hunters and hobby shooters? 

Five percent of the US is roughly 16 million people. 

It is our right to own guns.  If we can control illegal guns and get them off the streets then we could mildly entertain the idea of a gun ban or further limit who has access to them.  But a gun ban does nothing to address the gun problems we have.  You are just taking away from legal owners and rewarding illegal owners.

Right. It's the obsession with guns that has to stop..... that will take several generations if Americans start actually working on it today. But they aren't, so obviously there is no solution in site. I don't have any hope in America working this problem out in any of our lifetimes. I think it will just get worse, actually. And I always fear that this problem will slowly bleed into Canada as well. It hasn't yet, but I still worry about it.
As for the hunting/food question... I think there are very few people in the USA who actually have to hunt in order to eat. 5% seems like a very huge number to me if we're talking necessity.

Please explain this "gun obsession" that keeps getting thrown out.  I really don't understand it at all.  It's a term that I really don't get.  

I'm just talking about the fixation that America has on guns. The one that causes them to rabidly claim that it's their god given right and to resist regulation, the one that makes gun stores and gun shows common place, the one that has guns being sold in department stores, the one that inspires people to cheer on a fucking politician running for office who pulls out a fucking pistol during a campaign rally, and the one that makes it legal to carry guns to political rallies or stalk Muslims outside of their mosques with a gun hanging off a shoulder, and the one that inspires people to proudly pose with guns for their Christmas cards and facebook pages .... FYI, those things are really, REALLY not normal at all in other developed nations. Yes, American citizens are obsessed with guns compared to the rest of the world.

This is true. Nobody would even consider wanting to own a gun in most countries. Certainly not in u.k. ive never met anybody here with a gun . Just saying. Its totally an American thing

lastexitlondon

Its gone too far to ever come back.

brianlux

lastexitlondon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mattsl1983 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mattsl1983 said:

I guess I'm an idiot because removing all guns seems like a no brainer to reducing violence and improving society. How could it not? This is no longer primitive times so why do we still think and respond primitively? How much of the food the average person eats in a given year is actually procured via hunting in some way? Seriously, I don't know, but it can't be more then 5%. Yet, we're not doing anything about guns because of hunters and hobby shooters? 

Five percent of the US is roughly 16 million people. 

It is our right to own guns.  If we can control illegal guns and get them off the streets then we could mildly entertain the idea of a gun ban or further limit who has access to them.  But a gun ban does nothing to address the gun problems we have.  You are just taking away from legal owners and rewarding illegal owners.

Right. It's the obsession with guns that has to stop..... that will take several generations if Americans start actually working on it today. But they aren't, so obviously there is no solution in site. I don't have any hope in America working this problem out in any of our lifetimes. I think it will just get worse, actually. And I always fear that this problem will slowly bleed into Canada as well. It hasn't yet, but I still worry about it.
As for the hunting/food question... I think there are very few people in the USA who actually have to hunt in order to eat. 5% seems like a very huge number to me if we're talking necessity.

Please explain this "gun obsession" that keeps getting thrown out.  I really don't understand it at all.  It's a term that I really don't get.  

I'm just talking about the fixation that America has on guns. The one that causes them to rabidly claim that it's their god given right and to resist regulation, the one that makes gun stores and gun shows common place, the one that has guns being sold in department stores, the one that inspires people to cheer on a fucking politician running for office who pulls out a fucking pistol during a campaign rally, and the one that makes it legal to carry guns to political rallies or stalk Muslims outside of their mosques with a gun hanging off a shoulder, and the one that inspires people to proudly pose with guns for their Christmas cards and facebook pages .... FYI, those things are really, REALLY not normal at all in other developed nations. Yes, American citizens are obsessed with guns compared to the rest of the world.

This is true. Nobody would even consider wanting to own a gun in most countries. Certainly not in u.k. ive never met anybody here with a gun . Just saying. Its totally an American thing

We are gun-fucking-crazy in this country. 

And I'm afraid you're right.  It won't end until we stop being paranoid, stop promoting, selling and consuming violence, stop having sexual hang ups that are falsely satisfied by phony hard-edged facades and machines (even the fucking Prius now has razor designs that are supposed to make it look "edgy"), etc.,  and stop being so stupid and dumbed down.

And its all a bill of goods.  Violence sells. "Edgy" sells.   Insecurity and self doubt promote it's consumption.  Dumbing down spins the cycle down down down.

We have done better.  We still might do better.  We have a lot of great, wonder, creative, smart people.  If only those people could find a way to stop the increased proliferation of stupidity, violence and lack of true self worth that too many buy into.  If only it became more popular to be literate and informed, to use and stretch one's intelligence.  To be creative rather than destructive.  Take the high road... or continue down the low road into the swamp that grows more and more stagnant. 

We could choose.

jnimhaoileoin

Do Americans never question why you are the only country with this gun culture? Do you not realise that this should seem odd to you? Do you not see the connection between the number of guns and the number of gun deaths? Do you not ask yourselves why so many Americans feel they need guns and why no European citizen feels that same need? Do you never stop for one second to bloody ask yourselves WHY???

eddiec

No restrictions will come of this. The NRA has become too powerful and the people who support them do so out of misguided emotion instead of critical thinking.

The NRA wants small government?
Well guess what? The opposite is going to happen. People will keep their guns but we will slowly develop into a police state- and the NRA will be responsible. Sure, you can carry your gun but now hotels will have cameras in the room and checkpoints at check-in.

vaggar99

a sexual predator as pres. a cowardly gun crazy population. this country is a joke.

Thoughts_Arrive

The following thread says it all....

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/248178/the-gun-thread/p10

A thread where people can masturbate over their precious guns.

tempo_n_groove

eddiec said:

No restrictions will come of this. The NRA has become too powerful and the people who support them do so out of misguided emotion instead of critical thinking.

The NRA wants small government?
Well guess what? The opposite is going to happen. People will keep their guns but we will slowly develop into a police state- and the NRA will be responsible. Sure, you can carry your gun but now hotels will have cameras in the room and checkpoints at check-in.

The police state thing that everyone keeps bringing up. Have any of you ever been to one?

It took me 4-1/2 hours to get through security in Baghdad at the airport.

It took me over an hour and a half to bring our car through a hotel checkpoint in Jordan.

Constant military checkpoints throughout.

I felt more uneasy WITH the added security.

I really think it would be regretful if we went that way.

Don't give into the fear.

vaggar99

Tjnimhaoileoin said:

Do Americans never question why you are the only country with this gun culture? Do you not realise that this should seem odd to you? Do you not see the connection between the number of guns and the number of gun deaths? Do you not ask yourselves why so many Americans feel they need guns and why no European citizen feels that same need? Do you never stop for one second to bloody ask yourselves WHY???

Being ignorant is cool and totally American. I dont say this lightly either. But it’s true. The populations of most any other country I’ve been to including ‘third world’ countries are far more well read than that of the US. The difference is profound. 

Thoughts_Arrive

vaggar99 said:

Tjnimhaoileoin said:

Do Americans never question why you are the only country with this gun culture? Do you not realise that this should seem odd to you? Do you not see the connection between the number of guns and the number of gun deaths? Do you not ask yourselves why so many Americans feel they need guns and why no European citizen feels that same need? Do you never stop for one second to bloody ask yourselves WHY???

Being ignorant is cool and totally American. I dont say this lightly either. But it’s true. The populations of most any other country I’ve been to including ‘third world’ countries is far more well read than that of the US. The difference is profound. 

A lot of people in Australia are shaking their heads a the USA

josevolution

tbergs said:

josevolution said:

Ok let's just start with putting a restriction on how many guns you can legally purchase go ahead put a number on it is 10 enough ! 

Good luck. Personally, I'd say three. A handgun, a rifle and a shotgun. The handgun would be for those seeking self defense and the hunters could have their 2 long guns. Maybe an exception for black powder guns since they are limited capacity.

I bet most logical folks would agree with you I'd sign up for that today , I don't own any guns but respect your right to arm yourself just not for common war fare like this prick had !!

vaggar99

Thoughts_Arrive said:

vaggar99 said:

Tjnimhaoileoin said:

Do Americans never question why you are the only country with this gun culture? Do you not realise that this should seem odd to you? Do you not see the connection between the number of guns and the number of gun deaths? Do you not ask yourselves why so many Americans feel they need guns and why no European citizen feels that same need? Do you never stop for one second to bloody ask yourselves WHY???

Being ignorant is cool and totally American. I dont say this lightly either. But it’s true. The populations of most any other country I’ve been to including ‘third world’ countries is far more well read than that of the US. The difference is profound. 

A lot of people in Australia are shaking their heads a the USA

Just now? What took you so long?

dignin

https://twitter.com/AndyRichter/status/914942536933826560?s=04

josevolution

23 guns in his room yet people will say the 2nd amendment has to be 1st and foremost thing to be protected ! 

pjhawks

josevolution said:

23 guns in his room yet people will say the 2nd amendment has to be 1st and foremost thing to be protected ! 

and reportedly at least 19 found in his home. 42 guns for one person. but hey responsible gun owners...fuck them

tweedyfanjen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

One guy killed or injured over 500 people in (roughly) one hour?

One guy. From one vantage point. Wow. 

I was in Seattle this weekend at the Seahawks game. I picked up the Pearl Jam Rolling Stone magazine on Saturday. As I was browsing the magazine rack... I saw a Guns n' Ammo magazine titled... simply... 'AR15'. There's a magazine for the gun 'enthusiast' where they can look at pictures of an AR15? At the time I saw the title... I kind of chuckled. Looking back at that moment... it seems almost a it of a foreshadowing event.

When we got back to the hotel after the game... I was mortified by the news that was unfolding in real time. Absolutely horrific.

Sorry to put it this way to the 'defenders of the right', but now is actually a moment that is supposed to concern you for the safety of your neighbours and children... not a moment where you feel the need to concern yourself for the preservation of your hobby. 

This is the blueprint for the next mass murder: stay outside of security checkpoints... let people clump together... and then open fire with your rapid fire weapons coupled with large capacity magazines into hordes where you simply cannot miss and they simply cannot flee fast enough. Scary.

This was at the hands of an amateur too. This shithead was a pencil necked coward that wreaked havoc from his makeshift rat hole. As devastating as he proved to be... it could have been worse if it had been a shithead skilled with weapons. 

Well put. And again our government will do nothing.