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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited November 2017
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,680
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    I’m sure we’ll here about his issues and his history. We referenced this bias earlier in the thread. My comment about Don jr is that it’s unprofessional and obviously pushing an agenda, but I dhouldn’t wxpect anything less. 
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    Evidence would suggest otherwise.   Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns. 
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,641
    Jason P said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    Evidence would suggest otherwise.   Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns. 
    Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,320
    Jason P said:
    Maybe start by focus on enforcing the lax laws we have in place?  Criminal charges to whoever sold this nut job guns.  
    I'd think that would be the one way to really get people in check start sending the seller to jail if they don't enforce the regulations in place and those sellers at gun shows should be really under the microscope ...
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    Evidence would suggest otherwise.   Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns. 
    Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?
    Thus why current laws are not working. I had a local liquor store in high school that would sell me beer even though I looked younger than McLovin from the movie Superbad.  And they didn't need to do a background check each time I bought a 30 pack of High Life.  Not a legal purchase but I did buy it through legal channels and not the black market.  Uncle Sam got his 7% cut. 

    But scrutiny has increased and penalties have increased and now I'm ID'd even though I'm north of 30.   Maybe gun laws need the same scrutiny.  
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,641
    edited November 2017
    Jason P said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    Evidence would suggest otherwise.   Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns. 
    Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?
    Thus why current laws are not working. I had a local liquor store in high school that would sell me beer even though I looked younger than McLovin from the movie Superbad.  And they didn't need to do a background check each time I bought a 30 pack of High Life.  Not a legal purchase but I did buy it through legal channels and not the black market.  Uncle Sam got his 7% cut. 

    But scrutiny has increased and penalties have increased and now I'm ID'd even though I'm north of 30.   Maybe gun laws need the same scrutiny.  
    Well yes indeed, lol. I should think so. I can't believe a person can just walk into a store and walk out with a gun at all. There should be a very rigorous process IMO, like a national database where a bunch of info gets entered by the dealer, and then that goes through a tight screening process by some government agency that does that, and then, like however much later on the calendar (hopefully not too long because I like efficient processes), the person can come back to the store and pick up their federal and state government approved gun purchase (that they got it would, of course, be a matter of record, with serial number) .... And they would only get it in hand after the dealer compares them to the photo they took when they came in to register for it, as well as against their government ID. Obviously ANY criminal history would disqualify the buyer from being able to make the purchase  (even though that would apparently be moot in this particular case since the fucking military screwed the pooch on that one). This is the kind of system I envision for a nation obsessed with gun ownership. That still wouldn't get to the root of the problem, which is America's gun culture, but at least it would keep people from selling guns to people without a very solid background check and there would be a central record of who legally owns what (info that, perhaps, could only be accessed if the person is under suspicion of a crime). I dunno. Maybe that sounds like too much for American gun nuts, but I figure if you're on the up and up you shouldn't mind any of this. And if, of course, you're not a big states law person. I think all gun laws should be federal, with a link between federal and state criminal records.

    Meanwhile, news just came out saying that the US Air Force totally dropped the ball and didn't even follow policy. They just cut this fucker loose and never did anything to try and make sure he couldn't buy firearms through some kind of reporting system even though they knew they were supposed to. Wow. Absolutely unbelievable. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/11/06/the-air-force-says-it-failed-to-follow-procedures-allowing-texas-church-shooter-to-obtain-firearms/?utm_term=.f5fb0d407e47&wpisrc=al_news__alert-national&wpmk=1

    "Firearms retailer Academy Sports also confirmed Monday that Kelley purchased two weapons from its stores after passing federal background checks this year and last. It remains unclear whether those were the same weapons used in Sunday’s massacre, but his ability to purchase guns at all highlights the Air Force’s failure to follow Pentagon guidelines for ensuring certain violent offenses are reported to the FBI."
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited November 2017
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    I’m sure we’ll here about his issues and his history. We referenced this bias earlier in the thread. My comment about Don jr is that it’s unprofessional and obviously pushing an agenda, but I dhouldn’t wxpect anything less. 
    Yeah, Democrats are so above doing that.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,680
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    I’m sure we’ll here about his issues and his history. We referenced this bias earlier in the thread. My comment about Don jr is that it’s unprofessional and obviously pushing an agenda, but I dhouldn’t wxpect anything less. 
    Yeah, Democrats are so above doing that.
    I guess we can compare dem tweets vs. repub tweets if we need to. 
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    Nothing can be done.

    Ted Cruz accidentally explained America’s gun problem in one sentence - Vox
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    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
    What are you doing about the elimination of the white race?
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
    Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence?  You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working. 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
    Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence?  You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working. 
    Follow up question
    How many times have you had to solve your own problems with a gun?
    Every kill someone? Ever shoot someone? Shoot at someone? Pull your gun and aim it at someone?
    Daily? Weekly? Ever? 
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,254
    I understand the intention of her comments, but it's not for me and it comes off weird. Maybe what she says rings true for some. I guess it's never something I've considered. Where would I feel the most at peace if I was shot by a mass murderer. I do think it's fucked up this is where we are at though.

    https://youtu.be/WEExlz7YktI


    It's a hopeless situation...
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,021
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    Evidence would suggest otherwise.   Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns. 
    Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?
    What I heard on the news was that he only legally purchased guns because his criminal record wasn't properly recorded, so it didn't show up on his background check.
    So yes, he purchased them legally, but only due to a clerical error because he was technically not approved to be a gun owner under current gun laws.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    Evidence would suggest otherwise.   Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns. 
    Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?
    What I heard on the news was that he only legally purchased guns because his criminal record wasn't properly recorded, so it didn't show up on his background check.
    So yes, he purchased them legally, but only due to a clerical error because he was technically not approved to be a gun owner under current gun laws.
    Texas denied him a concealed carry permit, sounds like the feds dropped the ball.
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    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
    Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence?  You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working. 
    The law that could have stopped this was there, the Air Force failed to comply.  


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    unsung said:
    Better contact the DPS in Texas so they get their terminology right.

    Though he did not identify Willeford by name, the Texas department of public safety regional director, Freeman Martin, said at a news conference on Monday that the armed resident who confronted Kelley was toting an “AR assault rifle and engaged” the shooter.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tbergs said:
    unsung said:
    Better contact the DPS in Texas so they get their terminology right.

    Though he did not identify Willeford by name, the Texas department of public safety regional director, Freeman Martin, said at a news conference on Monday that the armed resident who confronted Kelley was toting an “AR assault rifle and engaged” the shooter.
    Yep better to go to church armed these days or to ball games or concerts ...
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    unsung said:
    mace1229 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Jason P said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have to be a genius to know this idiot had issues.
    Evidence would suggest otherwise.   Laws were in place and he still legally bought guns. 
    Wouldn't that mean that it wasn't legally purchased then? I thought he legally bought it because the laws suck, since they still allow someone with a criminal record purchase them. If it's against the law for someone to have sold it to him because of his record, then that's not a legal firearm purchase, right?
    What I heard on the news was that he only legally purchased guns because his criminal record wasn't properly recorded, so it didn't show up on his background check.
    So yes, he purchased them legally, but only due to a clerical error because he was technically not approved to be a gun owner under current gun laws.
    Texas denied him a concealed carry permit, sounds like the feds dropped the ball.
    Interesting to see you willing to blame the feds in this instance, but at the same time you think they are overstepping whenever governmental issues arise other times. And technically isn't this on the Air Force and them alone?
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,320
    So 26 people are dead because of failed human competence...
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,254
    edited November 2017
    So 26 people are dead because of failed human competence...
    There are those who would argue that thousands die daily due to human incompetence.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,320
    tbergs said:
    So 26 people are dead because of failed human competence...
    There are those who would argue that thousands die daily due to human incompetence.
    Yes there are it's shame ..
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    edited November 2017
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
    Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence?  You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working. 
    Could always ban leftists from owning firearms as most of the violence done in the US today is done by leftists.

    Shouldn't be too much of an issue since you all hate guns anyway.

    BTW, assault any Senators today?
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    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:

    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said: 
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:p
    tbergs said:
    Aurora: AR-15
    Orlando: AR-15
    Las Vegas: AR-15
    Sandy Hook: AR-15
    Umpqua CC: AR-15
    San Bernardino: AR-15
    Sutherland Springs: AR-15

    Nothing can be done.
    Well, one state made it illegal to own a bump stock with your pretty AR killing device.

    Is there anybody on here opposed to the ban of owning AR-15 style assault rifles outside of LE and military?
    Yes.

    You can't even get the terminology correct.

    Besides I have been hearing non-stop for a year how "literally Hitler" was elected President, and now those people want "literally Hitler" to be the one in control of all firearms.

    Why do you want to give "literally Hitler" oh and the white supremacist and racist and apparently woman abusing and Russian colluder so much control?
    every gun
    every owner
    every transfer
    documented

    how's that for terminology
    Already is in my State.

    So how does that stop a bad person from doing bad things?

    it's not about stopping bad people from doing bad things
    it's about restricting the opportunities for bad people to do bad things so easily

    how many times does it have to be explained to you gun-fetishists?  more guns = more gun deaths
    this is not a cultural issue of 'the usa has too many bad people", it's an issue of "the usa has too many guns and gun-nuts"

    less guns, less gun deaths
    it really is that fucking simple, and has been proven the world over.  How is this not sinking in?

    I'd just like to know how you propose doing this?

    "But nobody is calling for a gun ban!"


    edit: the same way they do it in every other modern industrialized nation that seems to make it through the week without a mass shooting

    you act like this is so difficult

    And what way is that?

    I don't act.


    If explain it to you, but you probably wouldn't understand the terminology. 

    Typical conservative. Doesn't realize he's part of the problem. Wants progressives to fix it. 

    It's sad this isn't an act. If you had any sense of shame or embarrassment, now would be the time for you to feel it. 
    I’d never ask a progressive to fix my problems, I handle them myself.
    Alright wise guy, then what's your solution to gun violence?  You seem pretty content with the status quo when that's clearly not working. 
    Could always ban leftists from owning firearms as most of the violence done in the US today is done by leftists.

    Shouldn't be too much of an issue since you all hate guns anyway.

    BTW, assault any Senators today?
    Link? Or just another one of your unfounded, irrational fears?
     
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