America's Gun Violence

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,746
    I'm okay with it. I won't be crying how I got fucked because all the promises he made didn't do shit for me when they didn't bear fruit. I also won't be shocked when we go to war, the economy tanks and unemployment and deficits spike. It's folks like you who will feel further disillusioned and mystified as to how everything went to shit. But I also think trump is going to be impeached, stroke out or resign. And I'll be giddy watching it happen. Well, not the stroke out part, I don't wish that on anyone but you have to admit, he don't look healthy.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I wonder where all the guns in Chicago are coming from? My guess? Something similar is going on in Indiana. But God forbid we try to reduce illegal gun trafficking.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/03/08/nypd-undercover-operation-links-to-22-virginia-residents-to-gun-trafficking-ring/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-local:homepage/card&utm_term=.f888fdb34ddb

    Have any suggestions? Illegal gun trafficking is already illegal. Will more legislation help?
    Registration.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,182
    More rules to be ignored by criminals.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:

    More rules to be ignored by criminals.

    That's a cop-out, plain and simple.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,182
    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    More rules to be ignored by criminals.

    That's a cop-out, plain and simple.
    No, it's not. It's the unfortunate reality of the situation.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:

    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    More rules to be ignored by criminals.

    That's a cop-out, plain and simple.
    No, it's not. It's the unfortunate reality of the situation.
    Yes, it is.
    Instead of thinking through the consequences and benefits of a game-changing rule, you just say, "criminals will ignore it".
    The entire point of registration is that we will then know who the criminals are and we can take them down.

    Who is going to buy guns legally to sell them illegally if we ACTUALLY catch and punish those doing it?
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Haha, you actually believe that the police don't know who is in a gang in Chicago?

    This could have stopped long ago, but deals get made.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    Haha, you actually believe that the police don't know who is in a gang in Chicago?

    This could have stopped long ago, but deals get made.

    Talking about sellers, not buyers. Talking about the national, not just Chicago.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2017
    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I wonder where all the guns in Chicago are coming from? My guess? Something similar is going on in Indiana. But God forbid we try to reduce illegal gun trafficking.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/03/08/nypd-undercover-operation-links-to-22-virginia-residents-to-gun-trafficking-ring/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-local:homepage/card&utm_term=.f888fdb34ddb

    Have any suggestions? Illegal gun trafficking is already illegal. Will more legislation help?
    Registration.
    On the state or federal level? Many gun owners believe that registration is the beginning of confiscation, and it's hard to completely discount that fear based on a few politicians that are hell bent on getting them out of the hands of all citizens. I'm not sure why people do not trust the government... :|. Not to mention, the government couldn't even track the firearms through the utterly failed "fast and furious" debacle...what makes people think that they would be able to track them through the general population on a mass scale? That, and modern technology has made it to where anyone with a 3D printer can print the parts needed to get by any registry if they desired... All that being said, the only people the registry would have impact on are the ones that do follow the laws already. I'm all about stiffer penalties for those that are caught illegally in possession of firearms, but I just do not see a registry being of much benifit...unless you want to mass confiscate down the road... It really just seems like it would just be one more tax.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I wonder where all the guns in Chicago are coming from? My guess? Something similar is going on in Indiana. But God forbid we try to reduce illegal gun trafficking.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/03/08/nypd-undercover-operation-links-to-22-virginia-residents-to-gun-trafficking-ring/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-local:homepage/card&utm_term=.f888fdb34ddb

    Have any suggestions? Illegal gun trafficking is already illegal. Will more legislation help?
    Registration.
    Never going to happen.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I wonder where all the guns in Chicago are coming from? My guess? Something similar is going on in Indiana. But God forbid we try to reduce illegal gun trafficking.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/03/08/nypd-undercover-operation-links-to-22-virginia-residents-to-gun-trafficking-ring/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-local:homepage/card&utm_term=.f888fdb34ddb

    Have any suggestions? Illegal gun trafficking is already illegal. Will more legislation help?
    Registration.
    On the state or federal level? Many gun owners believe that registration is the beginning of confiscation, and it's hard to completely discount that fear based on a few politicians that are hell bent on getting them out of the hands of all citizens. I'm not sure why people do not trust the government... :|. Not to mention, the government couldn't even track the firearms through the utterly failed "fast and furious" debacle...what makes people think that they would be able to track them through the general population on a mass scale? That, and modern technology has made it to where anyone with a 3D printer can print the parts needed to get by any registry if they desired... All that being said, the only people the registry would have impact on are the ones that do follow the laws already. I'm all about stiffer penalties for those that are caught illegally in possession of firearms, but I just do not see a registry being of much benifit...unless you want to mass confiscate down the road...
    Blah blah blah, "dog ate my homework"
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I wonder where all the guns in Chicago are coming from? My guess? Something similar is going on in Indiana. But God forbid we try to reduce illegal gun trafficking.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/03/08/nypd-undercover-operation-links-to-22-virginia-residents-to-gun-trafficking-ring/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-local:homepage/card&utm_term=.f888fdb34ddb

    Have any suggestions? Illegal gun trafficking is already illegal. Will more legislation help?
    Registration.
    On the state or federal level? Many gun owners believe that registration is the beginning of confiscation, and it's hard to completely discount that fear based on a few politicians that are hell bent on getting them out of the hands of all citizens. I'm not sure why people do not trust the government... :|. Not to mention, the government couldn't even track the firearms through the utterly failed "fast and furious" debacle...what makes people think that they would be able to track them through the general population on a mass scale? That, and modern technology has made it to where anyone with a 3D printer can print the parts needed to get by any registry if they desired... All that being said, the only people the registry would have impact on are the ones that do follow the laws already. I'm all about stiffer penalties for those that are caught illegally in possession of firearms, but I just do not see a registry being of much benifit...unless you want to mass confiscate down the road...
    Blah blah blah, "dog ate my homework"
    What an intelligent response...
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited March 2017
    What do you expect? Every response I get they call me a racist because I don't want my country turned into a third world shithole. And they also expect me to subsidize it.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I wonder where all the guns in Chicago are coming from? My guess? Something similar is going on in Indiana. But God forbid we try to reduce illegal gun trafficking.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/03/08/nypd-undercover-operation-links-to-22-virginia-residents-to-gun-trafficking-ring/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-local:homepage/card&utm_term=.f888fdb34ddb

    Have any suggestions? Illegal gun trafficking is already illegal. Will more legislation help?
    Registration.
    On the state or federal level? Many gun owners believe that registration is the beginning of confiscation, and it's hard to completely discount that fear based on a few politicians that are hell bent on getting them out of the hands of all citizens. I'm not sure why people do not trust the government... :|. Not to mention, the government couldn't even track the firearms through the utterly failed "fast and furious" debacle...what makes people think that they would be able to track them through the general population on a mass scale? That, and modern technology has made it to where anyone with a 3D printer can print the parts needed to get by any registry if they desired... All that being said, the only people the registry would have impact on are the ones that do follow the laws already. I'm all about stiffer penalties for those that are caught illegally in possession of firearms, but I just do not see a registry being of much benifit...unless you want to mass confiscate down the road...
    Blah blah blah, "dog ate my homework"
    What an intelligent response...
    I don't have patience for prevaricating bullshit at the moment, I hope later I can summon the patience for a real response.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    What do you expect? Every response I get they call me a racist because I don't want my country turned into a third world shithole. And they also expect me to subsidize it.

    It's not us, it's the overlords. They want you to subsidize the liberal elimination of the White race.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    See?

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    See?

    See what? Your own words given back to you?
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    I wonder where all the guns in Chicago are coming from? My guess? Something similar is going on in Indiana. But God forbid we try to reduce illegal gun trafficking.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/03/08/nypd-undercover-operation-links-to-22-virginia-residents-to-gun-trafficking-ring/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-local:homepage/card&utm_term=.f888fdb34ddb

    Have any suggestions? Illegal gun trafficking is already illegal. Will more legislation help?
    Registration.
    On the state or federal level? Many gun owners believe that registration is the beginning of confiscation, and it's hard to completely discount that fear based on a few politicians that are hell bent on getting them out of the hands of all citizens. I'm not sure why people do not trust the government... :|. Not to mention, the government couldn't even track the firearms through the utterly failed "fast and furious" debacle...what makes people think that they would be able to track them through the general population on a mass scale? That, and modern technology has made it to where anyone with a 3D printer can print the parts needed to get by any registry if they desired... All that being said, the only people the registry would have impact on are the ones that do follow the laws already. I'm all about stiffer penalties for those that are caught illegally in possession of firearms, but I just do not see a registry being of much benifit...unless you want to mass confiscate down the road...
    Blah blah blah, "dog ate my homework"
    What an intelligent response...
    I don't have patience for prevaricating bullshit at the moment, I hope later I can summon the patience for a real response.
    I look forward to it...and I understand, it's a Monday, lol
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,929
    I am a little confused. Isn't registration already a requirement?
    Some states it is easier to not register a handgun, but it is still required. I believe some states allow you to do a private party sale between 2 people and the buyer is responsible for sending in paper work. It would be easy not to, but it is still required.
    I would be for strict regulations that make that tougher. Many states require all gun transfers go through an authorized dealer. But even then there is a lot of room for improvement to make it easier and more efficient for both the buyer and state. Less efficiency means wasted time and money.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2017
    mace1229 said:

    I am a little confused. Isn't registration already a requirement?
    Some states it is easier to not register a handgun, but it is still required. I believe some states allow you to do a private party sale between 2 people and the buyer is responsible for sending in paper work. It would be easy not to, but it is still required.
    I would be for strict regulations that make that tougher. Many states require all gun transfers go through an authorized dealer. But even then there is a lot of room for improvement to make it easier and more efficient for both the buyer and state. Less efficiency means wasted time and money.

    Nope, in some states there are no legal requirements to record sales between individuals on the buyer or seller's part unless you are making a business out of it (aka FFL). Also no requirement for people to register what they purchased outside the realm of an FFL dealer's documents. Even then, the sale is recorded in paperwork, but there is no electronic registry and the FFL holder is responsible for keeping the records for auditors (it is never sent anywhere or anything). They do not "register" anything, just keep record of sale. In Texas, you cannot legally sell to anyone with a criminal record or a resident outside of Texas, but there is no accountability paperwork or required background if the sale is between two individuals. Safe practice would still be to keep a record of the time and when a firearm was sold to keep yourself safe if it were ever used illegally though. Every state has their own requirements, I believe.
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