So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally. Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally. I support the 2nd amendment. I have zero blood on my hands. If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands? Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions. "Ban the guns!" "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this? If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."
At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs. It's a terrible situation that should never have happened. Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it. I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind. Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions. Just saying.
no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country. whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens. so no let's politicize the fucker now.
So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened? Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?
Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.
How so? With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right? I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else. That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?
I think it's extremely safe to say that the laws greatly reduce the occurrences of these events. But for some reason that logic never applies to guns.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Absolute craziness that this happened.
No it's not. It's just the natural progression of mass killings. It's not going to stop. People are going to find bigger and better ways to inflict mass casualties.
What I find crazy is the pro gun crowds bewilderment when shit like this happens.
Just a small price to pay so everyone can have their toys.
So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally. Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally. I support the 2nd amendment. I have zero blood on my hands. If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands? Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions. "Ban the guns!" "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this? If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."
At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs. It's a terrible situation that should never have happened. Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it. I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind. Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions. Just saying.
no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country. whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens. so no let's politicize the fucker now.
So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened? Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?
Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.
How so? With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right? I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else. That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?
every law is broken by someone at some point. do you think we should have no laws and regulations on anything..or just your guns?
So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally. Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally. I support the 2nd amendment. I have zero blood on my hands. If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands? Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions. "Ban the guns!" "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this? If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."
At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs. It's a terrible situation that should never have happened. Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it. I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind. Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions. Just saying.
no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country. whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens. so no let's politicize the fucker now.
So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened? Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?
Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.
How so? With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right? I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else. That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?
every law is broken by someone at some point. do you think we should have no laws and regulations on anything..or just your guns?
Huh? Last time I checked we do have laws and regulations on guns. But at least you admit that every law gets broken at some point, so there is that. Also, even though I support the second amendment, I do not own a gun.
So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally. Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally. I support the 2nd amendment. I have zero blood on my hands. If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands? Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions. "Ban the guns!" "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this? If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."
At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs. It's a terrible situation that should never have happened. Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it. I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind. Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions. Just saying.
no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country. whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens. so no let's politicize the fucker now.
So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened? Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?
Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.
How so? With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right? I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else. That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?
every law is broken by someone at some point. do you think we should have no laws and regulations on anything..or just your guns?
Huh? Last time I checked we do have laws and regulations on guns. But at least you admit that every law gets broken at some point, so there is that. Also, even though I support the second amendment, I do not own a gun.
Those laws and regulations are very obviously insufficient, so why do you reject the idea of making them more effective?
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
For now I don't think hotels should do anything. I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act. Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.
We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.
So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally. Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally. I support the 2nd amendment. I have zero blood on my hands. If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands? Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions. "Ban the guns!" "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this? If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."
At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs. It's a terrible situation that should never have happened. Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it. I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind. Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions. Just saying.
no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country. whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens. so no let's politicize the fucker now.
So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened? Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?
Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.
How so? With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right? I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else. That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?
every law is broken by someone at some point. do you think we should have no laws and regulations on anything..or just your guns?
Huh? Last time I checked we do have laws and regulations on guns. But at least you admit that every law gets broken at some point, so there is that. Also, even though I support the second amendment, I do not own a gun.
alcohol laws have evolved over the years to reflect current trends. the same should happen to gun laws.
AND, there needs to be a cultural shift in the US. it's not just about guns. it's about violence and mental health.
So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally. Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally. I support the 2nd amendment. I have zero blood on my hands. If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands? Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions. "Ban the guns!" "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this? If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."
At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs. It's a terrible situation that should never have happened. Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it. I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind. Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions. Just saying.
no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country. whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens. so no let's politicize the fucker now.
So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened? Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?
Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.
How so? With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right? I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else. That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?
every law is broken by someone at some point. do you think we should have no laws and regulations on anything..or just your guns?
Huh? Last time I checked we do have laws and regulations on guns. But at least you admit that every law gets broken at some point, so there is that. Also, even though I support the second amendment, I do not own a gun.
Those laws and regulations are very obviously insufficient, so why do you reject the idea of making them more effective?
There are still questions as to if these guns were bought and owned legally (which is highly doubtful due to how hard and expensive it is to obtain a legal fully automatic gun). I don't reject the idea of strenghing any gun laws. I do object the idea of strenthening gun laws just because, even though it wouldn't have prevented this. Come up with a good idea on increasing gun regulations and I would probably agree with you.
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag. Who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more scumbags
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more
it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear.
why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag. Who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more scumbags
The point is that a LOT of people do care, and unfortunately, this is the thing that drives many people's fears and reactions to such events. If you can think of any reason for people's fears to not align with reality at all, I'm all ears. But i think racism/xenophobia has pretty much everything to do with it. I know it sucks, but that doesn't make it untrue.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag. Who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more scumbags
Let's not pretend the discussion would be the same if the shooter was a person of color. We are all smarter than that.
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more
it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear.
why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks. But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more
it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear.
why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks. But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.
What the hell is the relevance of that? African Americans aren't even being discussed here. Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more
it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear.
why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks. But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.
What the hell is the relevance of that? African Americans aren't even being discussed here. Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.
"it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear."
It was in response to this statement. Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime.
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more
it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear.
why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks. But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.
What the hell is the relevance of that? African Americans aren't even being discussed here. Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.
"it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear."
It was in response to this statement. Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime.
um.......NO. not even close to the same.
do you hear about white on white crime either? no, you don't. you hear about white on black crime because it's racially motivated most of the time. hate crimes resulting in death is a big fucking deal. it's not the same as rival gangs shooting each other or a couple of rednecks in the bar bottling each other over the jukebox.
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
wtf
Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more
it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear.
why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks. But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.
What the hell is the relevance of that? African Americans aren't even being discussed here. Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.
"it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear."
It was in response to this statement. Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime.
Ah I see. I assumed he was talking about terrorist/mass shooting attacks specifically, though his wording wasn't clear.
Apparently, 80% of murders of white people are committed by other white people. You really never hear about that either. I don't think it's helpful at all to try and ignore or deny the massive role that racism/race relations plays in public perceptions of crime. I understand it's unpleasant to acknowledge, but the only way to solve something is to face it head on, not try to pretend it's not so bad and hope it goes away on its own.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Apparently, 80% of murders of white people are committed by other white people. You really never hear about that either. I don't think it's helpful at all to try and ignore or deny the massive role that racism/race relations plays in public perceptions of crime. I understand it's unpleasant to acknowledge, but the only way to solve something is to face it head on, not try to pretend it's not so bad and hope it goes away on its own.
I'm not trying to ignore it all and I agree that race plays a huge role in how a crime is perceived. But that is also because of how crimes like these are reported a lot times. Whether if its correct or not when you hear about a cop shooting you automatically assume its a white cop shooting a black person and it events like today the first thought is that it was committed by an Islamic terrorist. Too many conclusions before facts are presented.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
For now I don't think hotels should do anything. I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act. Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.
We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.
What truly shows our ignorance as a country is that we're looking at this from the perspective of how the hotel could do a better job preventing this guy from hauling in his Normandy Beach invasion do it yourself kit. You're absolutely right, hotels shouldn't do anything because they aren't the root cause. Whatever they do is just a stop gap.
It's like we do the opposite of what should be done. Mass shooting happens, buy more guns. We're willing to spend millions, probably billions, on personnel and hardware which then only fuels the same industry who is leading us into the burning building and does nothing to address the problem.
We've been focused on school and workplace shootings so much that our response and prevention of them has become better, but people are still being killed and will always be killed. This is the evolution of the mass shooter. Find more victims with less chance for survival based on geography and vulnerability. How about for once we attack the problem at the source; gun manufacturing and ownership, rules, laws and policies.
When meth labs started popping up across the country and people were blowing themselves up left and right in their mobile shit holes we determined that limiting and tracking the purchase of pseudoephedrine would help prevent the home lab issue. Unfortunately Mexico had the super labs and no restrictions so production there peaked, but it was successful in the US.
How many mass shootings will it take before we can do something similar with firearms and ammunition? Limiting daily, weekly, monthly and annual purchases of ammo. What about the amount of guns you can own (probably never happen)?
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
For now I don't think hotels should do anything. I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act. Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.
We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.
Stronger legislation lol like that could ever happen remember sandy hook nothing nada zilch happened after that event , tell me what's kepping the next mass murdered from taking aim from another hotel why is it that we have to go thru security check points at every airport , it seems to me that if hotels made it imposible for you to just walk in with as many guns & ammo lives could be saved ...But the fear of a police state is worse than anything that could be done to save lives .....
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
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Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more
it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear.
why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks. But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.
What the hell is the relevance of that? African Americans aren't even being discussed here. Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.
"it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear."
It was in response to this statement. Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime.
you don't think a disproportionate amount of attention and fear-mongering is done with regards to Muslims and Islam in general and "we need to be tough on immigration"? and then you have white men shooting up crowds of people, and the right is steadfast in its "gun ownership is my right"?
Apparently, 80% of murders of white people are committed by other white people. You really never hear about that either. I don't think it's helpful at all to try and ignore or deny the massive role that racism/race relations plays in public perceptions of crime. I understand it's unpleasant to acknowledge, but the only way to solve something is to face it head on, not try to pretend it's not so bad and hope it goes away on its own.
I'm not trying to ignore it all and I agree that race plays a huge role in how a crime is perceived. But that is also because of how crimes like these are reported a lot times. Whether if its correct or not when you hear about a cop shooting you automatically assume its a white cop shooting a black person and it events like today the first thought is that it was committed by an Islamic terrorist. Too many conclusions before facts are presented.
I never once thought this act today was committed by an Islamic terrorist. It would have really gone against the norm, but your point is still valid because the majority of Americans probably believe that is the case before the facts come out. They've been trained well by the media and politicians with agendas.
Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others.
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Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.
Just didn't think there was a need to bring color in. Zero purpose behind pointing out or even mentioning any color. Nobody cares. If you're a scumbag, you're a scumbag who gives a fuck about the color or which color has more
it's important because there is a cognitive disconnect between what actually happens vs what people fear; it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear.
why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
And the majority of black deaths are committed by other blacks. But these stories don't sell newspapers or get TV news ratings.
What the hell is the relevance of that? African Americans aren't even being discussed here. Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.
"it's important to point out that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the US are at the hands of american white men, yet the republicans will have you believe it is foreign brown people you need to fear."
It was in response to this statement. Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime.
you don't think a disproportionate amount of attention and fear-mongering is done with regards to Muslims and Islam in general and "we need to be tough on immigration"? and then you have white men shooting up crowds of people, and the right is steadfast in its "gun ownership is my right"?
I see your point and both issues need to be discussed and addressed. I don't own a gun and I'm sure I never will but I'm ok with people owning guns but not guns like what was used in this and other events like this one. Something needs to be done but it just seems like an impossible task. Unfortunately there is no way to get rid of all these types of weapons. Stricter laws and regulations are a start but people will still somehow find a way around those too.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
For now I don't think hotels should do anything. I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act. Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.
We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.
Stronger legislation lol like that could ever happen remember sandy hook nothing nada zilch happened after that event , tell me what's kepping the next mass murdered from taking aim from another hotel why is it that we have to go thru security check points at every airport , it seems to me that if hotels made it imposible for you to just walk in with as many guns & ammo lives could be saved ...But the fear of a police state is worse than anything that could be done to save lives .....
Our solution shouldn't need to come down to installing metal detectors and searches every where we can go. That's ludicrous and dumb. Everything we do to prevent violence is a response. When will we take the initiative? It's like we're on the other side of the looking glass and a more advanced civilization is studying our absurd responses to the escalating experiment they've set up. Maybe this time they'll get it....nope. Keeping running on the hamster wheel.
I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.
Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness.
Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.
here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?
Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....
Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag. Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.
So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?
For now I don't think hotels should do anything. I don't want to live in a police state and that is what happened with the Patriot Act. Now if these type of hotel shootings continue then I think the hotels would need to act.
We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.
What truly shows our ignorance as a country is that we're looking at this from the perspective of how the hotel could do a better job preventing this guy from hauling in his Normandy Beach invasion do it yourself kit. You're absolutely right, hotels shouldn't do anything because they aren't the root cause. Whatever they do is just a stop gap.
It's like we do the opposite of what should be done. Mass shooting happens, buy more guns. We're willing to spend millions, probably billions, on personnel and hardware which then only fuels the same industry who is leading us into the burning building and does nothing to address the problem.
We've been focused on school and workplace shootings so much that our response and prevention of them has become better, but people are still being killed and will always be killed. This is the evolution of the mass shooter. Find more victims with less chance for survival based on geography and vulnerability. How about for once we attack the problem at the source; gun manufacturing and ownership, rules, laws and policies.
When meth labs started popping up across the country and people were blowing themselves up left and right in their mobile shit holes we determined that limiting and tracking the purchase of pseudoephedrine would help prevent the home lab issue. Unfortunately Mexico had the super labs and no restrictions so production there peaked, but it was successful in the US.
How many mass shootings will it take before we can do something similar with firearms and ammunition? Limiting daily, weekly, monthly and annual purchases of ammo. What about the amount of guns you can own (probably never happen)?
Yep nothing will come of this tragedy hell we've been here before no ? we do this every couple of months the progun folks say it's the individuals fault anti gun folks like myself wan't stricter laws and we go back& forth with not answers ever ! it is what it is we as individuals have to live and take as many precautions as possible when traveling or attending major events its the new norm !!!
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What I find crazy is the pro gun crowds bewilderment when shit like this happens.
Just a small price to pay so everyone can have their toys.
another reason to hate gun advocates. let's go out and buy more guns. idiots.
We need stronger gun control legislation for sure.
AND, there needs to be a cultural shift in the US. it's not just about guns. it's about violence and mental health.
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why?
US politicians are funded by one, and not by the other.
it is amazing how easily fooled the american public can be fooled when it's trotted out as being denied a right to something.
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We are all smarter than that.
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African Americans aren't even being discussed here.
Seems really weird that you'd trot that old line out at a time like this.
It was in response to this statement. Saying republicans are trying make eveyone believe we need to fear the brown people is the same as every story of a black man being shot by a white man getting 24 hour news coverage and nothing about the black on black crime.
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do you hear about white on white crime either? no, you don't. you hear about white on black crime because it's racially motivated most of the time. hate crimes resulting in death is a big fucking deal. it's not the same as rival gangs shooting each other or a couple of rednecks in the bar bottling each other over the jukebox.
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I assumed he was talking about terrorist/mass shooting attacks specifically, though his wording wasn't clear.
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White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners
Since Trump took office, more Americans have been killed by white American men with no connection to Islam than by Muslim terrorists or foreigners.
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islamIt's like we do the opposite of what should be done. Mass shooting happens, buy more guns. We're willing to spend millions, probably billions, on personnel and hardware which then only fuels the same industry who is leading us into the burning building and does nothing to address the problem.
We've been focused on school and workplace shootings so much that our response and prevention of them has become better, but people are still being killed and will always be killed. This is the evolution of the mass shooter. Find more victims with less chance for survival based on geography and vulnerability. How about for once we attack the problem at the source; gun manufacturing and ownership, rules, laws and policies.
When meth labs started popping up across the country and people were blowing themselves up left and right in their mobile shit holes we determined that limiting and tracking the purchase of pseudoephedrine would help prevent the home lab issue. Unfortunately Mexico had the super labs and no restrictions so production there peaked, but it was successful in the US.
How many mass shootings will it take before we can do something similar with firearms and ammunition? Limiting daily, weekly, monthly and annual purchases of ammo. What about the amount of guns you can own (probably never happen)?
www.headstonesband.com
Columbus-2003
Cincinnati-2006
Columbus-2010
Wrigley-2013
Cincinnati-2014
Lexington-2016
Wrigley 1 & 2-2018