America's Gun Violence

jeffbr

CM189191 said:

jeffbr said:

Those attempting to modify or confound the founders' meanings should be the ones suggesting the rewrite or amendment of the Amendment.

I don't want the NRA anywhere this.

Well played!

PJ_Soul

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

unsung

Go Beavers said:

So then can we go back to the 2nd amendment's original subject, which is the militia and not the individual?

My state constitution considers me a member of my state militia.

Check. Mate.

unsung

rgambs said:

Stickman12 said:

rgambs said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

By me saying it should follow case law should give you your answer. It really should be left up to the States. Most things should.

While that's your opinion and certainly debatable; if only there were a collection of people who were appointed or elected to decide on such things. Then we might have something!

Well there is a thing called the Constitution. There are also writings from the authors of the Constitution where they go and explain beyond any doubt what their intent was and what expressed powers are.

But anyway I don't trust one head of a serpent to tame the other two.

Yeah, and guess what, your Holy Constitution has flaws.
They have been proven.
There was this thing called the Civil War that showed some of those flaws.
Another thing called Civil Rights, one called the Great Depression, etc

If you don't consider the Constitution a living document then there are some mighty big problems. Slavery is a toughy.

What flaws are you referring too?

The one that allowed people to own people. The one that didn't let women or people of color vote. The one that allowed states to do as they pleased until the country was nearly destroyed. Those are a few.

The Constitution didn't "allow" it. Government did.

unsung

The 2nd Amendment isn't stopping gun confiscation.

rgambs

Stickman12 said:

rgambs said:

Stickman12 said:

rgambs said:

unsung said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

By me saying it should follow case law should give you your answer. It really should be left up to the States. Most things should.

While that's your opinion and certainly debatable; if only there were a collection of people who were appointed or elected to decide on such things. Then we might have something!

Well there is a thing called the Constitution. There are also writings from the authors of the Constitution where they go and explain beyond any doubt what their intent was and what expressed powers are.

But anyway I don't trust one head of a serpent to tame the other two.

Yeah, and guess what, your Holy Constitution has flaws.
They have been proven.
There was this thing called the Civil War that showed some of those flaws.
Another thing called Civil Rights, one called the Great Depression, etc

If you don't consider the Constitution a living document then there are some mighty big problems. Slavery is a toughy.

What flaws are you referring too?

The one that allowed people to own people. The one that didn't let women or people of color vote. The one that allowed states to do as they pleased until the country was nearly destroyed. Those are a few.

Your original post said "has flaws" which would indicate today's constitution. Your are citing flaws from the constitution from the beginning, not current. Those flaws you mentioned have been rectified. What current flaws are there??

The comment was in the context of a Constitution that isn't considered a living document which can be rectified.

CM189191

just another patriot watering the tree of liberty. wonder what militia he belongs to.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/03/the-donald-trump-sign-at-the-cop-killer-s-house.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
Let's break this down:
angry because people are kneeling during the national anthem
says: killing a police officer should be a mandatory death sentence
returns to football game and waives confederate flag, egging on African-American spectators
gets ejected from game by police
proceeds to ambush and kill 2 officers
That's some impressive mental gymnastics. Wonder who he (was planning on) voting for?

Go Beavers

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

So then can we go back to the 2nd amendment's original subject, which is the militia and not the individual?

My state constitution considers me a member of my state militia.

Check. Mate.

And so I'm sure you're well regulated.

unsung

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

So then can we go back to the 2nd amendment's original subject, which is the militia and not the individual?

My state constitution considers me a member of my state militia.

Check. Mate.

And so I'm sure you're well regulated.

Every day, same time.

Go Beavers

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

So then can we go back to the 2nd amendment's original subject, which is the militia and not the individual?

My state constitution considers me a member of my state militia.

Check. Mate.

And so I'm sure you're well regulated.

Every day, same time.

Just like every other gun owner who claims they're responsible.

jeffbr

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

So then can we go back to the 2nd amendment's original subject, which is the militia and not the individual?

My state constitution considers me a member of my state militia.

Check. Mate.

And so I'm sure you're well regulated.

Every day, same time.

Right after that morning cup of coffee!

unsung

jeffbr said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

So then can we go back to the 2nd amendment's original subject, which is the militia and not the individual?

My state constitution considers me a member of my state militia.

Check. Mate.

And so I'm sure you're well regulated.

Every day, same time.

Right after that morning cup of coffee!

That is the truth!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

I saw the clip documenting this. Brutal.

But to your point... it was just a knife and not a gun- could have been much worse.

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

I saw the clip documenting this. Brutal.

But to your point... it was just a knife and not a gun- could have been much worse.

There are quite a few things that could have been much worse. Guns are far from the scariest weapons nutjobs could use. My first thought is "too bad he was not stopped before he was able to kill the girl".

PJ_Soul

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

I saw the clip documenting this. Brutal.

But to your point... it was just a knife and not a gun- could have been much worse.

There are quite a few things that could have been much worse. Guns are far from the scariest weapons nutjobs could use. My first thought is "too bad he was not stopped before he was able to kill the girl".

Yeah, and the schools are now planning on locking all school access doors so no one can get in the building except through the main entrance. Which I think is terrible btw. I do not think that restricting freedom is the right way to respond to one random and extremely rare event. Obviously too bad he wasn't stopped first dude. But we can't protect ourselves from everything. If a person goes nuts, there is only so much people can do, depending on the circumstances. The point is, people in that community are basically really thankful that guns aren't easy to get up here, and that he didn't have one because he could have killed many more, and the teachers likely wouldn't have been able to stop him when they did. Um, yeah, I guess people also could be thankful that he didn't come in bearing a flame-thrower or chemical weapons or that he didn't have a bag full of ninja stars and the skills to use them like bullets, right? ... But I think it's a pretty reasonable community, pragmatic, and not crazy, lol.

Go Beavers

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

I saw the clip documenting this. Brutal.

But to your point... it was just a knife and not a gun- could have been much worse.

There are quite a few things that could have been much worse. Guns are far from the scariest weapons nutjobs could use. My first thought is "too bad he was not stopped before he was able to kill the girl".

That's because you're under the false belief that if more people are armed, the safer we'll be. It's really the opposite, because the more people that are armed, the more guns there are, therefore there's greater access, which only leads to more dead innocent people.

PJPOWER

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

I saw the clip documenting this. Brutal.

But to your point... it was just a knife and not a gun- could have been much worse.

There are quite a few things that could have been much worse. Guns are far from the scariest weapons nutjobs could use. My first thought is "too bad he was not stopped before he was able to kill the girl".

That's because you're under the false belief that if more people are armed, the safer we'll be. It's really the opposite, because the more people that are armed, the more guns there are, therefore there's greater access, which only leads to more dead innocent people.

You are under the assumption that I am under the assumption...and that is a fact.

Go Beavers

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

I saw the clip documenting this. Brutal.

But to your point... it was just a knife and not a gun- could have been much worse.

There are quite a few things that could have been much worse. Guns are far from the scariest weapons nutjobs could use. My first thought is "too bad he was not stopped before he was able to kill the girl".

That's because you're under the false belief that if more people are armed, the safer we'll be. It's really the opposite, because the more people that are armed, the more guns there are, therefore there's greater access, which only leads to more dead innocent people.

You are under the assumption that I am under the assumption...and that is a fact.

I did make an assumption about the part where you said that it was too bad he wasn't killed first. Maybe you're proposing something else?

PJPOWER

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Go Beavers said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

I saw the clip documenting this. Brutal.

But to your point... it was just a knife and not a gun- could have been much worse.

There are quite a few things that could have been much worse. Guns are far from the scariest weapons nutjobs could use. My first thought is "too bad he was not stopped before he was able to kill the girl".

That's because you're under the false belief that if more people are armed, the safer we'll be. It's really the opposite, because the more people that are armed, the more guns there are, therefore there's greater access, which only leads to more dead innocent people.

You are under the assumption that I am under the assumption...and that is a fact.

I did make an assumption about the part where you said that it was too bad he wasn't killed first. Maybe you're proposing something else?

Yes, you did. In fact, I never said "killed". I said "stopped". It could have very well been a wacko with a gun. Yes, even in Canada. That is why you have trained staff and proper security protocols. Much like you do for fires or health emergencies.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

Some random homeless guy walked into a high school in this little town (more like a bedroom community) outside of Vancouver a couple of days ago, and stabbed two girls. A 13 year old died, and the other, 14, is still in hospital. Teachers grabbed the guy and held him until cops arrived..... just mentioning because the overwhelming sentiment in the area (besides the usual, like anger and sadness, etc) seems to be 'thank god he didn't have a gun'.

I saw the clip documenting this. Brutal.

But to your point... it was just a knife and not a gun- could have been much worse.

There are quite a few things that could have been much worse. Guns are far from the scariest weapons nutjobs could use. My first thought is "too bad he was not stopped before he was able to kill the girl".

Guns are far from the scariest weapons?

I beg to differ. Is there another accessible weapon that poses the lethality a gun does inside a closed environment with a large population of people in it such as a school?

Do you seriously think one of the girls should have been packing heat and blown this freak away before he stabbed them? In the event students were in the habit of carrying guns... to this point in time... there would be significantly more dead teens as a result.