America's Gun Violence

dudeman

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Gern Blansten said:

The majority of NRA members support what Obama has enacted. They have supported that for years. It's the leadership of the NRA that is insane.

In that case, it's pretty weird that the NRA has as many members as it does.

Not really. What Obama passed is no big deal. When and if he starts to try to ban guns Then you will see the power of the nra.

That can't happen. Only Congress has that power and, as Obama said, he's only got another year in office.

Only congress is supposed to be able to declare war, too. We all know how that turned out.

josevolution

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-ohio-man-mistakes-teen-son-intruder-kills-36234609

Man what a shame i feel for this person ...

jeffbr

josevolution said:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-ohio-man-mistakes-teen-son-intruder-kills-36234609

Man what a shame i feel for this person ...

Yeah, really shitty. As anyone who has ever taken a hunter safety or firearms safety course is taught - see your target in your sights before you pull the trigger. Shooting at noises in the dark, shooting at noises through doors, shooting at noises in the bushes are all idiotic things to do.

dudeman

jeffbr said:

josevolution said:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-ohio-man-mistakes-teen-son-intruder-kills-36234609

Man what a shame i feel for this person ...

Yeah, really shitty. As anyone who has ever taken a hunter safety or firearms safety course is taught - see your target in your sights before you pull the trigger. Shooting at noises in the dark, shooting at noises through doors, shooting at noises in the bushes are all idiotic things to do.

Agreed.

josevolution

jeffbr said:

josevolution said:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-ohio-man-mistakes-teen-son-intruder-kills-36234609

Man what a shame i feel for this person ...

Yeah, really shitty. As anyone who has ever taken a hunter safety or firearms safety course is taught - see your target in your sights before you pull the trigger. Shooting at noises in the dark, shooting at noises through doors, shooting at noises in the bushes are all idiotic things to do.

Agreed even in your own house wouldn't you scream out " hey who is down there" But to kill your own kid damn i'm not sure but id rather not have a gun ...

jeffbr

josevolution said:

jeffbr said:

josevolution said:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-ohio-man-mistakes-teen-son-intruder-kills-36234609

Man what a shame i feel for this person ...

Yeah, really shitty. As anyone who has ever taken a hunter safety or firearms safety course is taught - see your target in your sights before you pull the trigger. Shooting at noises in the dark, shooting at noises through doors, shooting at noises in the bushes are all idiotic things to do.

Agreed even in your own house wouldn't you scream out " hey who is down there" But to kill your own kid damn i'm not sure but id rather not have a gun ...

I agree. I can't imagine how fucked up that would be, and have no idea how I'd live with myself.

rssesq

the same media that is tirelessly advocating repeal of the 4th Amendment is the same media putting this story on the front burner. How many stories do you hear about people saving themselves from a robbery or rape because they had a LEGAL firearm on their person? never on MSNBC

jeffbr

Right. That's why liberals watch MSNBC and conservatives watch Fox. Confirmation bias. The data is out there for both sides to make their cases. Many crimes are thwarted by armed, law-abiding citizens every day. But many senseless deaths occur every day from the presence of firearms. You won't get a clear picture by watching MSNBC or Fox, or by reading NRA material or Coalition to Stop Gun Violence material. That's the problem with any issue of interest - finding trusted sources that provide a balanced analysis of data.

mickeyrat

jeffbr said:

Right. That's why liberals watch MSNBC and conservatives watch Fox. Confirmation bias. The data is out there for both sides to make their cases. Many crimes are thwarted by armed, law-abiding citizens every day. But many senseless deaths occur every day from the presence of firearms. You won't get a clear picture by watching MSNBC or Fox, or by reading NRA material or Coalition to Stop Gun Violence material. That's the problem with any issue of interest - finding trusted sources that provide a balanced analysis of data.

Like NIH or CDC? Oh thats right.....

rgambs

rssesq said:

the same media that is tirelessly advocating repeal of the 4th Amendment is the same media putting this story on the front burner. How many stories do you hear about people saving themselves from a robbery or rape because they had a LEGAL firearm on their person? never on MSNBC

The 4th amendment??? Since when has anybody on either side (besides law enforcement) advocated for repeal of the 4th amendment? Did you mean 2nd?

rssesq

my bust, fingers got ahead of me brain

mcgruff10

I d love an objective news station... Just the facts and then let me make my own opinion.

jeffbr

mickeyrat said:

jeffbr said:

Right. That's why liberals watch MSNBC and conservatives watch Fox. Confirmation bias. The data is out there for both sides to make their cases. Many crimes are thwarted by armed, law-abiding citizens every day. But many senseless deaths occur every day from the presence of firearms. You won't get a clear picture by watching MSNBC or Fox, or by reading NRA material or Coalition to Stop Gun Violence material. That's the problem with any issue of interest - finding trusted sources that provide a balanced analysis of data.

Like NIH or CDC? Oh thats right.....

Haha, well since I have no faith or trust in the federal government to provide me with accurate information, I'm skeptical of those sources, too. The feds always have an agenda, and frequently demonstrate incompetence, so it is probably wise to consider the source, even if it is "official".

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

I d love an objective news station... Just the facts and then let me make my own opinion.

Yeah, that would be sweet. The closest I can think of are the bulletins the AP and Reuters put out. Those tend to just state the facts and have zero editorial content.

mickeyrat

rgambs said:

rssesq said:

the same media that is tirelessly advocating repeal of the 4th Amendment is the same media putting this story on the front burner. How many stories do you hear about people saving themselves from a robbery or rape because they had a LEGAL firearm on their person? never on MSNBC

The 4th amendment??? Since when has anybody on either side (besides law enforcement) advocated for repeal of the 4th amendment? Did you mean 2nd?

NSA and its champions are chipping away at the 4th for sure under the guise of "protecting us" from turrourists

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rssesq said:

the same media that is tirelessly advocating repeal of the 4th Amendment is the same media putting this story on the front burner. How many stories do you hear about people saving themselves from a robbery or rape because they had a LEGAL firearm on their person? never on MSNBC

More guns equals more unintentional deaths by guns.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/

pureoc

The wonderful GOP in Wisconsin is trying to pass a bill making guns ok in schools for concealed carry holders. Look, you want to hunt, fine, heck I'd gladly take some venison from you. You want a handgun to protect you in your home cause you think isis is coming for you, ok i don't get it but whatever. You want to bring a gun into a school where my wife works and future children may attend? HELL FN NO! This may be the dumbest piece of legislation I've ever heard.

callen

mcdo

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rssesq said:

the same media that is tirelessly advocating repeal of the 4th Amendment is the same media putting this story on the front burner. How many stories do you hear about people saving themselves from a robbery or rape because they had a LEGAL firearm on their person? never on MSNBC

More guns equals more unintentional deaths by guns.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/

Thanks for digging this up Thirty. Have looked in past.

My position is I'm safer WO a gun. Would be even stronger if I had kiddies around.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

38:1

... is the ratio of murders, suicides, and accidental deaths to one justifiable killing.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-guns-self-defense-charleston-20150619-story.html

* 232,000 guns stolen every year.

rssesq

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rssesq said:

the same media that is tirelessly advocating repeal of the 4th Amendment is the same media putting this story on the front burner. How many stories do you hear about people saving themselves from a robbery or rape because they had a LEGAL firearm on their person? never on MSNBC

More guns equals more unintentional deaths by guns.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/

A harvard study? No they never tend to have a liberal bias ova at Hahhvaad.